Jonah Shacknai Wants Investigation Reviewed

[lauriej]

http://www.10news.com/news/29268087/detail.html

In response to media inquiries, Jonah Shacknai today confirmed that California Attorney General Kamala D. Harris issued a letter declining to intervene in the investigation of the deaths of Mr. Shacknai's youngest son, Max, and his girlfriend and companion, Rebecca Zahau.

---JS letter responding to the AG.

"I would like to thank Attorney General Harris for her condolences and consideration of my request to evaluate this matter. I respect and accept the determination of the chief law enforcement authority in the State of California that the circumstances of this investigation do not warrant further review by the Attorney General at this time.

Given the unusual facts of this tragedy, I understand that Rebecca's family and others continue to have questions. If at any time there is new substantive evidence bearing on this case, it should be presented, not in tabloid form to fuel rumor and innuendo, but rather to appropriate law enforcement authorities who may determine whether further investigation is warranted.

I continue to pray Max and Rebecca are now at peace, and that all of us devastated by their losses will be permitted to continue to grieve privately as we struggle to achieve some peace and closure."

 

[SunnieRN]

State AG won't review deaths at Spreckels mansion

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/sep/22/state-ag-wont-review-deaths-spreckels-mansion/

snip:
In a letter dated Wednesday, Chief Assistant Attorney General Dane Gillette offered condolences to Shacknai but said the state Department of Justice would review a local investigation only under “very narrow circumstances,” including whether a conflict of interest exists or whether there are allegations of wrongdoing by the investigative agency.

“Based on a review of your request, we must decline your invitation to review this investigation at this time,” Gillette wrote on behalf of Attorney General Kamala Harris.


Whether a conflict of interest exists??!! What?? Let's see, LE embellishments of the truth seem worthy of that!

 

[stilettos]

snip:
In a letter dated Wednesday, Chief Assistant Attorney General Dane Gillette offered condolences to Shacknai but said the state Department of Justice would review a local investigation only under “very narrow circumstances,” including whether a conflict of interest exists or whether there are allegations of wrongdoing by the investigative agency.

“Based on a review of your request, we must decline your invitation to review this investigation at this time,” Gillette wrote on behalf of Attorney General Kamala Harris.


Whether a conflict of interest exists??!! What?? Let's see, LE embellishments of the truth seem worthy of that!

Well crap...One would think that enough allegations have been raised by now.

 

[stilettos]

http://www.10news.com/news/29268087/detail.html

In response to media inquiries, Jonah Shacknai today confirmed that California Attorney General Kamala D. Harris issued a letter declining to intervene in the investigation of the deaths of Mr. Shacknai's youngest son, Max, and his girlfriend and companion, Rebecca Zahau.

---JS letter responding to the AG.

"I would like to thank Attorney General Harris for her condolences and consideration of my request to evaluate this matter. I respect and accept the determination of the chief law enforcement authority in the State of California that the circumstances of this investigation do not warrant further review by the Attorney General at this time.

Given the unusual facts of this tragedy, I understand that Rebecca's family and others continue to have questions. If at any time there is new substantive evidence bearing on this case, it should be presented, not in tabloid form to fuel rumor and innuendo, but rather to appropriate law enforcement authorities who may determine whether further investigation is warranted.

I continue to pray Max and Rebecca are now at peace, and that all of us devastated by their losses will be permitted to continue to grieve privately as we struggle to achieve some peace and closure."

:banghead:Yeah, I am sure he does.

 

[time]

A doctor from Rady's believes he was suffocated. The link is on the Max death thread.

Thanks I had not seen anything about that.

 

[time]

This new Max may have been suffocated story just pours gasoline on the fire IMO. It was reported early on that DS believed Max was suffocated. If that doctor told her that, based upon his opinion on the 11th or 12th, that is simply that much more motivation, in my very humble opinion. I find it incomprehensible that he would say such a thing, given what Max's injuries were. If he was basing this only on his external injuries, that was a reckless statement to make. He should have had access to the other tests and known that he had a C-spine problem......

Agree ... I'm kind of scratching my head because it makes it look more like Rebecca's death was then a homicide to me.

Why wouldn't a second autopsy also be performed if Dina and Jonah were told this?

 

[time]

http://www.10news.com/news/29268087/detail.html

In response to media inquiries, Jonah Shacknai today confirmed that California Attorney General Kamala D. Harris issued a letter declining to intervene in the investigation of the deaths of Mr. Shacknai's youngest son, Max, and his girlfriend and companion, Rebecca Zahau.

---JS letter responding to the AG.

"I would like to thank Attorney General Harris for her condolences and consideration of my request to evaluate this matter. I respect and accept the determination of the chief law enforcement authority in the State of California that the circumstances of this investigation do not warrant further review by the Attorney General at this time.

Given the unusual facts of this tragedy, I understand that Rebecca's family and others continue to have questions. If at any time there is new substantive evidence bearing on this case, it should be presented, not in tabloid form to fuel rumor and innuendo, but rather to appropriate law enforcement authorities who may determine whether further investigation is warranted.

I continue to pray Max and Rebecca are now at peace, and that all of us devastated by their losses will be permitted to continue to grieve privately as we struggle to achieve some peace and closure."

Oh, for cripe sake. The AG letter said they were not given any specific reasons to intervene and Jonah's first letter said he already accepted the results. Why would they intervene based on that. They might intervene if something wrote and appropriate call to reopen the investigation. Now Jonah thinks that publicly he will look concerned. He's an attorney surrounded by attorney and people in the medical filed as well. He knew darn well his letter wouldn't result in any action. It was, at best, weak.

 

[thinkingstraight]

Snipped: OTOH, Rebecca's death was highly unusual, very bizarre, especially coming so soon after Max's tragic death. In an extended family filled with jealousy, hostility,and resentment its natural to assume the worst. Any lower or middle class family in this situation would have been subjected to more scrutiny than we've seen in this case.

Both deaths are tragic, both should be more fully investigated.

In your second sentence of the first paragraph I quoted, I couldn't agree more.

 

[thinkingstraight]

What is it you see as so suspicious about Max's death/accident? Where is there any indication that it some intentional harm was done to him? I'm open but I just don't see it.

First of all, I can't believe you said you lost all respect for JS and Dina! Grieving parents with their baby boy barely in the ground and having to deal with those allegations- how would you put a statement out in those circumstances. Just what would you do different. Furthermore, I have Never indicated I thought max was intentionally hurt. What I have said is that I don't think R was truthful as it related to the accident. And just that alone seems to really fire people up. It's mind boggling. I mean, it's not like I'm accusing anyone of murder .

 

[thinkingstraight]

:banghead:Yeah, I am sure he does.

Please clarify. I know you're not alleging he doesn't wish rebecca and max peace?

 

[Schmerty_Jones]

The fact that there was so much hostility towards RZ from Dina & her twin sister,must have been known to JS. Rebecca was even asked not to come to the children's school events or to family meals ,celebrations etc. It is clear that several people AS , JS brother& Dina's sister were around the mansion that night. I don't see how no one heard or saw anything . It is highly suspicious.Surely if Atty Bremmer & Dr. W represent the family of Rebecca ,the AG Kamala Harris would give these grieving relatives some authority to get answers. The USA does not state that it give LIBERTY & JUSTICE for the RICH! :banghead::banghead:It states LIBERTY & JUSTICE FOR ALL!

 

[stilettos]

Please clarify. I know you're not alleging he doesn't wish rebecca and max peace?

I bolded the segment of the post I quoted that I was referring to.

 

[elementry]

This new Max may have been suffocated story just pours gasoline on the fire IMO. It was reported early on that DS believed Max was suffocated. If that doctor told her that, based upon his opinion on the 11th or 12th, that is simply that much more motivation, in my very humble opinion. I find it incomprehensible that he would say such a thing, given what Max's injuries were. If he was basing this only on his external injuries, that was a reckless statement to make. He should have had access to the other tests and known that he had a C-spine problem......

Yup, ironically, the more that a wrongful or even malicious death of MS is hypothesized, the more the motive for a murder of RZ increases. Except in SD LE's view, where ones An accident and the others a suicide and that's the end of it, (wrapped up neatly by the Labor Day long weekend incidentally ).

 

[SophieRose]

The fact that there was so much hostility towards RZ from Dina & her twin sister,must have been known to JS.

Where are you getting that there was hostility from Dina's twin sister Nina towards RZ? I have not seen that stated anywhere before.

 

[elementry]

Oh, for cripe sake. The AG letter said they were not given any specific reasons to intervene and Jonah's first letter said he already accepted the results. Why would they intervene based on that. They might intervene if something wrote and appropriate call to reopen the investigation. Now Jonah thinks that publicly he will look concerned. He's an attorney surrounded by attorney and people in the medical filed as well. He knew darn well his letter wouldn't result in any action. It was, at best, weak.

Well, that was quick. JS had his Thank You note primed and ready for press release. There are the faint notes of choreography to his circumscribed plea, the demurral by the CA AT office and now the latest note of gratitude from Jonah. Do I hear the Sitrick and Co. String section playing?

So there will be no examining of SD LE's methods, something that might have gotten ugly within the California power structures. Again, the path of least resistance is taken. On the other hand, the speculation will continue apace until thing break one way or another.

 

[CDS22]

Well, that was quick. JS had his Thank You note primed and ready for press release.

Do you have a link for that? TIA

 

[time]

First of all, I can't believe you said you lost all respect for JS and Dina! Grieving parents with their baby boy barely in the ground and having to deal with those allegations- how would you put a statement out in those circumstances. Just what would you do different. Furthermore, I have Never indicated I thought max was intentionally hurt. What I have said is that I don't think R was truthful as it related to the accident. And just that alone seems to really fire people up. It's mind boggling. I mean, it's not like I'm accusing anyone of murder .

I have a right to my opinion and I justified it in much earlier threads. I have been posting here from the beginning I believe but I will tell you why again.

Jonah and Dina engaged in mutual or whatever physical violence and threats with each other for years. Dina gave LE a picture from back in 2006. This went on until at least 2009 between the two of them. It started when Max was 1-2 years old and continued for quite a while. There is no way a child would not have been affected by some of that. I think they should have kept mum on it all instead of issuing a joint statement that it was a rough patch... that is not true when anyone engages in domestic violence, let alone for an extended time and with several police calls. Neither of them would press charges though. They made some very strong claims against each other as I am sure you are well aware, chilling claims.

I never said you thought Max was intentionally hurt... it was a question based on some here claiming he is not being given justice. Again, this is what I said with the first question being most important and the second a tangent from the first, I thought it was logical:

What is it you see as so suspicious about Max's death/accident? Where is there any indication that it some intentional harm was done to him? I'm open but I just don't see it.

If I were Dina, given their past, I would have refused to issue any such joint statement about domestic abuse and would have issued my own statement about my son.

If I were Jonah and in love with Rebecca I would have made some public statement right away about my loss and hoping for a full investigation.

Again, I would not try to portray domestic violence documented with horrendous police reports and pictures over several years as analogous to a rough patch. Such domestic abuse is not normal behavior and should not be downplayed.

 

[SunnieRN]

A doctor from Rady's believes he was suffocated. The link is on the Max death thread.

Let's quote the good doctor accurately. He stated that 'at first' he believed that Max may have been strangled. If he truly believed that still, he would be granting interviews and would have called cps or risk losing his license. Mandated reporter!!

http://www.10news.com/news/29268087/detail.html

In response to media inquiries, Jonah Shacknai today confirmed that California Attorney General Kamala D. Harris issued a letter declining to intervene in the investigation of the deaths of Mr. Shacknai's youngest son, Max, and his girlfriend and companion, Rebecca Zahau.

---JS letter responding to the AG.

"I would like to thank Attorney General Harris for her condolences and consideration of my request to evaluate this matter. I respect and accept the determination of the chief law enforcement authority in the State of California that the circumstances of this investigation do not warrant further review by the Attorney General at this time.

Given the unusual facts of this tragedy, I understand that Rebecca's family and others continue to have questions. If at any time there is new substantive evidence bearing on this case, it should be presented, not in tabloid form to fuel rumor and innuendo, but rather to appropriate law enforcement authorities who may determine whether further investigation is warranted.

I continue to pray Max and Rebecca are now at peace, and that all of us devastated by their losses will be permitted to continue to grieve privately as we struggle to achieve some peace and closure."

Thanks I had not seen anything about that.

Do you have a link for that? TIA

Links to both letters.

 

[stilettos]

I have a right to my opinion and I justified it in much earlier threads. I have been posting here from the beginning I believe but I will tell you why again.

Jonah and Dina engaged in mutual or whatever physical violence and threats with each other for years. Dina gave LE a picture from back in 2006. This went on until at least 2009 between the two of them. It started when Max was 1-2 years old and continued for quite a while. There is no way a child would not have been affected by some of that. I think they should have kept mum on it all instead of issuing a joint statement that it was a rough patch... that is not true when anyone engages in domestic violence, let alone for an extended time and with several police calls. Neither of them would press charges though. They made some very strong claims against each other as I am sure you are well aware, chilling claims.

I never said you thought Max was intentionally hurt... it was a question based on some here claiming he is not being given justice. Again, this is what I said with the first question being most important and the second a tangent from the first, I thought it was logical:



If I were Dina, given their past, I would have refused to issue any such joint statement about domestic abuse and would have issued my own statement about my son.

If I were Jonah and in love with Rebecca I would have made some public statement right away about my loss and hoping for a full investigation.

Again, I would not try to portray domestic violence documented with horrendous police reports and pictures over several years as analogous to a rough patch. Such domestic abuse is not normal behavior and should not be downplayed.

Well said. Domestic violence does hurt the children...even if they are just witness to the abuse. I would think that MS's Mom wouldn't downplay that for his sake. JMO

 

[elementry]

Do you have a link for that? TIA

Sorry, no link. Just my smart-azz commentary. It came pretty quick though, and he appears far from dissatisfied with the AG's turndown. The turndown is tantamount to an endorsement of SD LE's unilateral verdict, without having to actually look at the details. Net-net, JS is probably pretty satisfied that he is seen to offer the re-look (in it's circumscribed manner), then a virtual waiver is issued, and his "Thank You" note that is reminiscent of the one that appeared as an official document of SD LE's public dossier. All in the space of one day. not bad work by Sitrick I'd venture.