JonBenet Ramson letter - written before or after + linguistics

[KoldKase]

For sure the killer was a pedophile, and people don't get to be pedophiles overnight. Unfortunately for RDI, there's no history, no evidence of that sort of thing. Thats another loss for RDI: No corroborating evidence that JR or PR were pedophiles, and JBR's killer was a pedophile.

You don't know that. We don't know that.

I don't think anyone believes that using the sharp point of a paintbrush to shove into a female is in anyway "pleasure". Pedophiles believe they bring "pleasure" to their child victims. Maybe you should spend some time researching pedophilia.

The prior vaginal injuries also leave clues to who committed this murder, but I'm betting you don't believe that had anything to DO with her being molested, as most IDIs don't. Just another amazing COINCIDENCE, like the ransom note writing and linguistics, IDI believe.

Even if one believes the prior vaginal injuries were from molestation, that doesn't PROVE that molester was even in the home that night. Maybe he/she was, maybe he/she wasn't. Since LE and Team Ramsey "don't go there, pal", we'll probably never know the truth about this. I am of the OPINION that it was one of the Ramsey family members, for the obvious reason they have fought so long and hard to cover it up--why...almost like using the PAINTBRUSH. What parent of a murdered child would dismiss such strong evidence that the killer WAS WITHIN THEIR CIRCLE, especially when it could lead RIGHT TO THE MURDERER? None who want that killer arrested, IMO.

So we have the autopsy revealing the truth, but we can't force LE to investigate it. So we don't know if this prior vaginal abuse was punitive molestation, or sibling molestation, or someone else who had access to JonBenet before that night to molest her. THAT person could have been a pedophile--the older injuries were not inflicted by a sharp object like a paintbrush, as the hymen rim was worn, not stabbed.

It's ugly, so most people refuse to even consider this strong and critical evidence, especially if they WANT the Ramseys to be innocent. Until someone who WANTS to know the truth in LE or Team Ramsey steps up to the plate and starts asking THE HARD QUESTIONS, that evidence will never be utilized to find the ACTUAL killer.

And until that happens, we don't know that the paintbrush wasn't used to simply COVER UP the prior and/or current vaginal injuries. I think this is the ONLY explanation that makes sense, but that's just my opinion. However, no one else knows, either, do they? So no, we can't say this was done by a PEDOPHILE, and the profilie of pedophiles is that it was no pedophile who so brutally injured JonBenet with a paintbrush that night. The paintbrush could have been a red herring, and obviously, for so many they are thrown right off the trail of the truth with it.

 

[KoldKase]

Forget about the R's for a minute. You seem to be caught up in their status, personalities, and behaviors.

Think about what RDI believes happened, aside from JR or PR.

RDI believes that a person who lived in the house, who was complacent in an accidental death or murder, decided that a fake ransom note was needed, and that the note should be handwritten.

To be honest with you: This is what RDI really boils down to and its plenty absurd. There's no precedent for this behavior. There's no corroborating evidence this ever even happened. Its literally a fabricated idea, based on the preconceived notion that the person is guilty and therefore must have decided at some point to handwrite a fake ransom note.

This is not analytical or realistic. It uses circular reasoning instead of evidence.

Imagine yourself picking up a pen and paper and starting to write 1500 characters, that you know is going to be held up next to a child murder. Would you do that? Of course not.

Nobody ever has done that.

Uh...excuse me...but SOMEBODY did it. Unless I'm having a very long nightmare, LE had the note and analyzed and tested it, destroying it in the process. So SOMEONE wrote it.

No one ELSE has ever done it, but this murder is unique in many ways, so saying that is proof it was an intruder is not logical.

Are you saying it's MORE logical that an intruder (or intruders) wiggled into the basement window, a le Lou Smit, hung around the house for hours, thought, Oh, I think I'll write a RANSOM NOTE 'cause I'm so bored, and then proceeded to LUCKILY match up his handwriting and language to Patsy's, all while waiting to kidnap the child after hiding there while the family returned and got ready for bed and a trip the next morning? Except he/they got so mixed up somehow, instead of walking out one of the SEVERAL DOORS they passed while taking her to the basement to SHOVE her up into a window well, he/they decided to garrote and kill her there, leaving the body AND, OH WHAT THE HECK, BIG PIECE OF EVIDENCE, THE RANSOM NOTE?

Now THAT'S absurd.

I explained why the note was handwritten and not computer written, but don't see that you noticed. Believe me when I say that we've been crawling over all these theories for 12 years, and your argument is thin at best.

 

[KoldKase]

Question: All hymens are not "constructed" in the same fashion, i.e., they are very different in appearance from girl to girl. See, it's like noses. Everyone has a different shaped nose, some are big, some are little, some are boney, some are bumpy---they vary greatly in size, shape, appearance, consistency...etc, etc. You get the picture.

Can you tell me HOW it is that this particular anatomy can be distinguished from being "eroded" versus being "different" in appearance? In other words, is it not possible that it can APPEAR eroded, however, the appearance of erosion is simply the specific physicality and physical makeup of it? Like, if I have a bumpy nose, a doctor may visualize my nose and subsequently deem, in his/her professional opinion, that it had been broken or fractured in the past, however, maybe I was born with a bumpy nose and it had never been broken or fractured before in my life???

ETA: Again with the nose reference....I may have very thin nostrils. Thinner than many other people. My thin nostrils could APPEAR as if they have been "eroded"....??? NO?

Oh come on. Now who is stretching?

A child found murdered had a paintbrush shoved up her vagina. At autopsy, Dr. Meyers not only would have paid special attention to his findings in his examination of that part of the body, including taking slide samples, but he brought in a pediatrician with credentials to examine the body and autopsy results, as well, so there is no question:

On the anterior aspect of the perineum, along the edges of closure of the labia majora, is a small amount of dried blood. A similar small amount of dried and semifluid blood is present on the skin of the fourchette and in the vestibule. Inside the vestibule of the vagina and along the distal vaginal wall is reddish hyperemia. This hyperemia is circumferential and perhaps more noticeable on the right side and posteriorly. The hyperemia also appears to extend just inside the vaginal orifice. A 1 cm red-purple area of abrasion is located on the right posterolateral area of the 1 x 1 cm hymeneal orifice. The hymen itself is represented by a rim of mucosal tissue extending clockwise between the 2 and 10:00 positions. The area of abrasion is present at approximately the 7:00 position and appears to involve the hymen and distal right lateral vaginal wall and possibly the area anterior to the hymen. On the right labia majora is a very faint area of violent discoloration measuring approximately one inch by three-eighths of an inch. Incision into the underlying subcutaneous tissue discloses no hemorrhage. A minimal amount of semiliquid thin watery red fluid is present in the vaginal vault.

Vaginal Mucosa: All of the sections contain vascular congestion and focal interstitial chronic inflammation. the smallest piece of tissue, from the 7:00 position of the vaginal wall/hymen, contain epithelial erosion with underlying capillary congestion. A small number of red blood cells is present on the eroded surface, as is birefringent foreign material. Acute inflammatory infiltrate is not seen.

We've had numerious doctors and professional RNs go over this with us. Dr. Wecht wrote extensively about it in his book on the case. Many experts have read the autospy, also, and NOT ONE EVER HAS SAID THERE WAS NO PRIOR VAGINAL INJURY, not that I've seen, anyway. They KNOW the difference between a structural anomaly and EROSION. No matter what argument you believe about how it happened, this is NOT some "disfigured nose".

And bubble bath does NOT erode the rim of the hymen.

I swear, the things people come up with to avoid the obvious: What a coincidence that this child was being assaulted by her own bubble bath, and how LUCKY for the PEDOPHILE KILLER who only wanted to jam a paintbrush up his victim while undressing, cleaning her up, and redressing her, not to mention, HANDwriting a long ransom note IN THE HOME because the RAMSEYS would be sure to use a computer!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

You're rambling. Besides, unless you were there, you can stop with the broken paintbrush parts. The coroner did a fine job describing the removal of the ligature, and nowhere mentioned wooden paintbrush parts, shards, or splinters. Spare me your characterizations as they rely on assumptions exclusively.

As I've posted earlier, you dont know what happened to JBR so you dont know if the perpetrator was a pedohpile. Male DNA mixed with JBR's blood in her underwear matching DNA from the waistband of her longjohns do tell a story, don't it. Or did you have a and bull story about how that got there 'innocently' (LOL).

Besides, if there wasn't a pedophile there, then there could've been a pedophile somewhere else. Most people who exploit children aren't pedophiles themselves, but sell material to those who are.

Lets face it, you think you know what happened, you claim to know everything, when you actually know very little.

 

[KoldKase]

That's rather insulting of you, HoldOn, and if you don't want to discuss this in a civil manner with me, fine, ignore me.

I have never said I know everything in this case, but I know a few things you don't.

For example, you don't seem to know that skin cells in underwear can have blood drops saturate into the fabric where they lay and get called "mixed", which then becomes some kind of "proof" to those grasping at straws that those skin cells were deposited there at a date certain.

No expert has EVER said that. Only Mary Lacy, WHO IS NO DNA EXPERT, and other members of Team Ramsey have made that erroneous claim. Even the expert from Bode could not say these cells were definitely deposited by the killer on the clothing that night. How could she? THEY CAN'T DATE THAT, and they have NO SOURCE TO ASK.

Same with the alleged DNA cells found on the waistband of the long johns. There is no PROOF POSITIVE they were deposited there on Dec. 25/26 by the source. NONE.

Have you ever asked yourself why Bode Technology was all over TV giving out details of EVIDENCE IN AN OPEN MURDER CASE? They could NOT have done that without the PERMISSION--in fact, the DIRECTION, of Mary Lacy. Otherwise, they'd have RUINED their business cred with LE all over, because in most murder cases, LE prefers to keep their case evidence analysis SEALED until an arrest, and usually until trial. When labs start holding press conferences and giving news reporters a walk through of evidence procedure in open cases for advertisement for their services, labs will cease to be trusted by LE.

No, I don't think most IDIs ever ask those questions. Why not wonder as vociferously if the CORD been tested for "touch" DNA? Other items of clothing? Was any OTHER DNA found which is unsourced, DNA ALSO NOT MATCHING this same DNA profile or the Ramseys? As I saw the technician explain it, SHE DISCARDED OTHER DNA when coming up with this profile. WHO CONTRIBUTED THAT DNA?

Guess we'll never know, because as usual, IT'S ALL TEAM RAMSEY PROPAGANDA.

When they open the case files for us to see ALL the evidence, not just propaganda chosen by Team Ramsey to "exonerate" the Ramseys, then maybe we can get a true picture of how significant that unsourced DNA is, when it was actually deposited, etc.

But that's not likely to ever happen, because from Hunter to Lacy, the DAs in this murder investigation have never been objective nor ethical in how they handled it.

Show me ONE DA who ever denied investigating detectives a subpoena to get phone records in an unsolved case where a murder victim was found in a home or occupied residence. Show me where any suspects were given that kind of obstruction to their advantage when they refused to even SPEAK to LE for four months after the murder.

When Lacy "exonerated" the prime suspects WITHOUT BENEFIT OF ARRESTING AND TRYING A DEFENDANT, that pretty much continued the series of events which prove exactly how far the Boulder DA's Office is willing to go to help the Ramseys in their 12 year long publicity spin.

I don't know exactly what happened in the home that night, and I have never said I do, but I certainly know what the evidence does NOT prove, including the "touch" DNA: that a Ramsey couldn't have done it. Since I believe the evidence is irrefutable that Patsy wrote the note, to anyone unbiased and uninfluenced by politics anyway, then I certainly believe that she had to know who did do it and she chose to help that person cover up the crime. Why would she do that for a stranger or acquaintance intruder?

 

[KoldKase]

You're rambling. Besides, unless you were there, you can stop with the broken paintbrush parts. The coroner did a fine job describing the removal of the ligature, and nowhere mentioned wooden paintbrush parts, shards, or splinters. Spare me your characterizations as they rely on assumptions exclusively.

I'm rambling? If you don't have the time or interest in following a detailed discussion of the evidence, I understand it can be tedious, but that's not "rambling". A 12 year long case with this much evidence and politics may be worth only sound bites to some--and god bless you, I wish I had that much sense, but I've don't and I've spent too many years examining the fine details of this case to be pithy.

I have no idea what you're talking about in your protest of discussion of the "paintbrush parts". You'll have to explain further.

Paintbrush shards were found by the paint tote, as well as a green paint chip was found on JonBenet's chin matching paint from the tote. The paintbrush was broken. The brush end was found in the paint tote. The pointed end has not been found. I'm sure you know all this, which is why your statement confuses me.

There was a piece of "birefringent" material found in the vagina, which basically is a particle that refracts light in a certain way. It has not been "identified" by any lab source publicly that I've seen, but is widely accepted from various sources inside the investigation to have come from the paintbrush, possibly from a particle of paint or even laquer. Considering the use of the broken paintbrush in the crime and the shards that were found at the crime scene, along with the bleeding and abrasion in the vagina, it's a reasonable guess, though without a trial and expert testimony, all we have is a reasonable guess.

So why you're telling me to "stop with the paintbrush parts", I have no idea. Unless I am mistaken in thinking you're addressing me at all, in which case, I apologize for that.

 

[Ames]

You're rambling. Besides, unless you were there, you can stop with the broken paintbrush parts. The coroner did a fine job describing the removal of the ligature, and nowhere mentioned wooden paintbrush parts, shards, or splinters. Spare me your characterizations as they rely on assumptions exclusively.

As I've posted earlier, you dont know what happened to JBR so you dont know if the perpetrator was a pedohpile. Male DNA mixed with JBR's blood in her underwear matching DNA from the waistband of her longjohns do tell a story, don't it. Or did you have a and bull story about how that got there 'innocently' (LOL).

Besides, if there wasn't a pedophile there, then there could've been a pedophile somewhere else. Most people who exploit children aren't pedophiles themselves, but sell material to those who are.

Lets face it, you think you know what happened, you claim to know everything, when you actually know very little.

Seems as good of a place as any ...to repost this...

From Delmar:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7966641.stm


'DNA bungle' haunts German police
Police investigating the murder of a police woman in 2007
This 2007 murder was believed to be the work of the phantom killer

Police in Germany have admitted that a woman they have been hunting for more than 15 years may never have existed.

Dubbed the "phantom of Heilbronn", the woman was described by police as the country's most dangerous woman.

Investigators had connected her to six murders and an unsolved death based on DNA traces found at the scene.

Police are now acknowledging that swabs used to collect DNA samples may have been contaminated by an innocent woman - possibly during manufacture.

'Serial killer'

Police suspected the unnamed woman of being a serial killer who over 16
years carried out a string of six murders, including strangling a pensioner.

She was alternatively called the "woman without a face" and the "phantom of Heilbronn" after the city in southern Germany where she allegedly killed a policewoman.

Police suspicions were based on traces of identical female DNA they found at 40 crime scenes across southern Germany and Austria.

After finding her DNA at the scene of the murder of a 22-year policewoman from Heilbronn in 2007, police offered a 300,000 euro reward for information leading to her arrest.

However, police did not come any closer to identifying their most-sought
suspect.

First doubts

According to prosecutors in the south-western town of Saarbruecken, doubts about the existence of the "phantom killer" were raised when her DNA appeared on documents belonging to a person who had died in a fire.

When police first tried to identify the victim, they found the phantom's DNA on the dead person's ID. But in a subsequent test, no trace of the phantom's DNA could be found on the document.



It shouldn't have happened Ulrich Goll, Justice Minister for Baden-Wuerttemberg

That was the point at which alarm bells started ringing and investigators
began to suspect that the test material itself may have been contaminated with DNA, prosecutors say.

Police in the south-western state of Baden-Wuerttemberg are now
investigating if the cotton buds used to gather DNA at the crime scenes may have come in contact with DNA before being packed.

Thousands of cotton buds are being tested for contamination and workers at the cotton buds factory are being asked to give DNA samples.

'Very embarrassing'

The justice minister for the state of Baden-Wuerttemberg, Ulrich Goll,
believes the case is now closed. He thinks the DNA found at the scene of the crimes is probably due to contamination at the factory.

"It shouldn't have happened," he told a regional radio station said.

"The investigators are not to blame. They can't tell if a cotton bud has DNA sticking to it."

The state interior minister, Heribert Rech, wants to wait until the
investigation is finished. "Hasty conclusions are misplaced," he said.

The head of the union of police officers in Baden-Wuerttemberg, Josef
Schneider, also wants to wait until the results of the investigation are
published.

However, he admitted that "if the trace does belong to a woman working in the factory, it'll be very embarrassing".
__________________


Added by Ames: Update...the lady wa found innocent, after the investigation. Below is a section from another article about it.

<snipped>
First doubts

"According to prosecutors in the south-western town of Saarbruecken,
doubts about the existence of the "phantom killer" were raised when
her DNA appeared on documents belonging to a person who had died in a
fire.

When police first tried to identify the victim, they found the
phantom's DNA on the dead person's ID. But in a subsequent test, no
trace of the phantom's DNA could be found on the document.

That was the point at which alarm bells started ringing and
investigators began to suspect that the test material itself may have
been contaminated with DNA, prosecutors say.

Now it has been determined that the cotton swabs used to collect DNA
had been contaminated accidently by a woman working at an unidentified
factory in Bavaria.

"The puzzle of the phantom killer has been solved," said Volker Link,
a prosecutor in Heilbronn.

One company making swabs said they were not intended for analytical,
but only medical use, while another said that there had been no
requirement for the swabs to be free of DNA."


--------------------------------------

Posted by Ames: So see....contamination can and DOES happen.

 

[Tadpole12]

Besides, if there wasn't a pedophile there, then there could've been a pedophile somewhere else. Most people who exploit children aren't pedophiles themselves, but sell material to those who are.

Morning y'all.

Hi Hotyh.

I don't understand this statement..... can't comprehend it.
Is this some kind of fact, because I would group distribtors of images of child sexual exploitation as sexual offenders.

So are you saying there's somehow a distiction from a 'pedophile' because ... why? ..... of the money being made?
I see no gradiation.

 

[Tadpole12]

"When they open the case files for us to see ALL the evidence, not just propaganda chosen ..." - KK

Hi Koldkase.

Won't this/will this happen eventually ... one day? .... decades from now ..... freedom of information .... when all parties are deceased ..... and the case is historical.

 

[KoldKase]

Seems as good of a place as any ...to repost this...

From Delmar:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7966641.stm


'DNA bungle' haunts German police
Police investigating the murder of a police woman in 2007
This 2007 murder was believed to be the work of the phantom killer

Police in Germany have admitted that a woman they have been hunting for more than 15 years may never have existed.

Dubbed the "phantom of Heilbronn", the woman was described by police as the country's most dangerous woman.

Investigators had connected her to six murders and an unsolved death based on DNA traces found at the scene.

Police are now acknowledging that swabs used to collect DNA samples may have been contaminated by an innocent woman - possibly during manufacture.

'Serial killer'

Police suspected the unnamed woman of being a serial killer who over 16
years carried out a string of six murders, including strangling a pensioner.

She was alternatively called the "woman without a face" and the "phantom of Heilbronn" after the city in southern Germany where she allegedly killed a policewoman.

Police suspicions were based on traces of identical female DNA they found at 40 crime scenes across southern Germany and Austria.

After finding her DNA at the scene of the murder of a 22-year policewoman from Heilbronn in 2007, police offered a 300,000 euro reward for information leading to her arrest.

However, police did not come any closer to identifying their most-sought
suspect.

First doubts

According to prosecutors in the south-western town of Saarbruecken, doubts about the existence of the "phantom killer" were raised when her DNA appeared on documents belonging to a person who had died in a fire.

When police first tried to identify the victim, they found the phantom's DNA on the dead person's ID. But in a subsequent test, no trace of the phantom's DNA could be found on the document.



It shouldn't have happened Ulrich Goll, Justice Minister for Baden-Wuerttemberg

That was the point at which alarm bells started ringing and investigators
began to suspect that the test material itself may have been contaminated with DNA, prosecutors say.

Police in the south-western state of Baden-Wuerttemberg are now
investigating if the cotton buds used to gather DNA at the crime scenes may have come in contact with DNA before being packed.

Thousands of cotton buds are being tested for contamination and workers at the cotton buds factory are being asked to give DNA samples.

'Very embarrassing'

The justice minister for the state of Baden-Wuerttemberg, Ulrich Goll,
believes the case is now closed. He thinks the DNA found at the scene of the crimes is probably due to contamination at the factory.

"It shouldn't have happened," he told a regional radio station said.

"The investigators are not to blame. They can't tell if a cotton bud has DNA sticking to it."

The state interior minister, Heribert Rech, wants to wait until the
investigation is finished. "Hasty conclusions are misplaced," he said.

The head of the union of police officers in Baden-Wuerttemberg, Josef
Schneider, also wants to wait until the results of the investigation are
published.

However, he admitted that "if the trace does belong to a woman working in the factory, it'll be very embarrassing".
__________________


Added by Ames: Update...the lady wa found innocent, after the investigation. Below is a section from another article about it.

<snipped>
First doubts

"According to prosecutors in the south-western town of Saarbruecken,
doubts about the existence of the "phantom killer" were raised when
her DNA appeared on documents belonging to a person who had died in a
fire.

When police first tried to identify the victim, they found the
phantom's DNA on the dead person's ID. But in a subsequent test, no
trace of the phantom's DNA could be found on the document.

That was the point at which alarm bells started ringing and
investigators began to suspect that the test material itself may have
been contaminated with DNA, prosecutors say.

Now it has been determined that the cotton swabs used to collect DNA
had been contaminated accidently by a woman working at an unidentified
factory in Bavaria.

"The puzzle of the phantom killer has been solved," said Volker Link,
a prosecutor in Heilbronn.

One company making swabs said they were not intended for analytical,
but only medical use, while another said that there had been no
requirement for the swabs to be free of DNA."

Thanks, Ames. Perfect place to put this, because this is the problem with declaring the "touch" DNA absolute proof it came from the killer.

As I researched the new techniques of "touch" DNA and DNA collection, the problem the experts discussed are just this: there has to be other corroborating evidence to convict anyone of a crime because "touch" DNA at this level of infinitessimally small samples brings in another world of possibilities as to how it got there.

If there were no other evidence to inculpate the Ramseys, I might get excited. Since the evidence leading to the Ramseys is plentiful, I"m not convinced there is not some innocent reason this unsourced DNA was found. Underwear from new packages were tested, after all, and found to have DNA on them from unknown sources.

 

[KoldKase]

"When they open the case files for us to see ALL the evidence, not just propaganda chosen ..." - KK

Hi Koldkase.

Won't this/will this happen eventually ... one day? .... decades from now ..... freedom of information .... when all parties are deceased ..... and the case is historical.

I doubt it seriously. Think of the Black Dahlia case: that was over 60 years ago, and still the LAPD refuses to release the file. The current DA did give an author and former LAPD detective access to files the DA had access to from the case, but they were all but destroyed by then, anyway. The suspicion of that author is that the corruption involved with the investigation would bring shame to the police dept., even today. (The LAPD is known for having an especially corrupt period during that time.)

No, Tadpole, I don't expect any DA in Boulder to open their office up for more criticism on how they handled this case. Think of the problems they'd have to address....

 

[voynich]

You underestimate my POWER!

Are you threatening me, super sleuth? I AM the investigation.

You have no idea.

Ever since I've known you, you've been seeking a life greater than an ordinary sleuth. A life of service, of conscience. Are you going to discredit me?

More like with a whimper.

There is no death, only the Force.

I was, but it's nothing the mods would allow. Talk plain, voynich.

That would not be logical. He's dead, Jim. I'm a doctor, not a psychiatrist. We are the RST. Resistence is futile. You will be assimilated. Beam me up, Scottie! IDI, the final frontier.

I sense great fear in you. You have fibers. You have CSA. But you do not USE them!

Only through me can you achieve an understanding greater than any investigator. Use my knowledge I beg you.

I have become more powerful than ANY RST. Even you.

Much to learn, you still have.

 

[Ames]

I'm rambling? If you don't have the time or interest in following a detailed discussion of the evidence, I understand it can be tedious, but that's not "rambling". A 12 year long case with this much evidence and politics may be worth only sound bites to some--and god bless you, I wish I had that much sense, but I've don't and I've spent too many years examining the fine details of this case to be pithy.

I have no idea what you're talking about in your protest of discussion of the "paintbrush parts". You'll have to explain further.

Paintbrush shards were found by the paint tote, as well as a green paint chip was found on JonBenet's chin matching paint from the tote. The paintbrush was broken. The brush end was found in the paint tote. The pointed end has not been found. I'm sure you know all this, which is why your statement confuses me.

There was a piece of "birefringent" material found in the vagina, which basically is a particle that refracts light in a certain way. It has not been "identified" by any lab source publicly that I've seen, but is widely accepted from various sources inside the investigation to have come from the paintbrush, possibly from a particle of paint or even laquer. Considering the use of the broken paintbrush in the crime and the shards that were found at the crime scene, along with the bleeding and abrasion in the vagina, it's a reasonable guess, though without a trial and expert testimony, all we have is a reasonable guess.

So why you're telling me to "stop with the paintbrush parts", I have no idea. Unless I am mistaken in thinking you're addressing me at all, in which case, I apologize for that.

Is it just me, or does it seem that RDI's do more research on this case, than IDI's? It's like some of them (IDI's) have been living under a rock for 12 years.

 

[Ames]

Thanks, Ames. Perfect place to put this, because this is the problem with declaring the "touch" DNA absolute proof it came from the killer.

As I researched the new techniques of "touch" DNA and DNA collection, the problem the experts discussed are just this: there has to be other corroborating evidence to convict anyone of a crime because "touch" DNA at this level of infinitessimally small samples brings in another world of possibilities as to how it got there.

If there were no other evidence to inculpate the Ramseys, I might get excited. Since the evidence leading to the Ramseys is plentiful, I"m not convinced there is not some innocent reason this unsourced DNA was found. Underwear from new packages were tested, after all, and found to have DNA on them from unknown sources.

Right! That Touch DNA could have come from anywhere. I do know, that with touch DNA...if I shook your hand, and then touched something...like the handle of a knife, for example...YOUR DNA would be found on the knife, along with mine. I am quite positive that the touch DNA came from a factory worker...touch DNA is much to sensitive. IMO

 

[Ames]

Are you threatening me, super sleuth? I AM the investigation.


Ever since I've known you, you've been seeking a life greater than an ordinary sleuth. A life of service, of conscience. Are you going to discredit me?




There is no death, only the Force.




That would not be logical. He's dead, Jim. I'm a doctor, not a psychiatrist. We are the RST. Resistence is futile. You will be assimilated. Beam me up, Scottie! IDI, the final frontier.



Only through me can you achieve an understanding greater than any investigator. Use my knowledge I beg you.




Much to learn, you still have.

Voynich, do we need to make a "Star Trek " thead, just for you?? LOL

 

[voynich]

Voynich, do we need to make a "Star Trek " thead, just for you?? LOL

SD invited? This is a trap, to get him to turn. We are Borg. Resistance is futile. He has to be assimilated.


FYI I didn't know PR could quote movies like Speed, Dirty Harry, Ransom, and quite possibly write in a manner that resembles the L&L note. Has her , JR BR previous communications include such phrases?

 

[Ames]

SD invited? This is a trap, to get him to turn. We are Borg. Resistance is futile. He has to be assimilated.


FYI I didn't know PR could quote movies like Speed, Dirty Harry, Ransom, and quite possibly write in a manner that resembles the L&L note. Has her , JR BR previous communications include such phrases?

LOL! Yeah, of course we can invite SD. You guys are way too funny!

IMO...JR dictated that RN to Patsy. They did watch alot of movies (rented videos). IMO...at the start of the note...which says.."Listen Carefully"....John had said that to Patsy, before telling her what to write. In her grief and anxiousness, she actually wrote the words, thinking it was part of the RN. (How do you LISTEN to something that you are reading? Shouldn't the note have said..."Read this carefully"...so IMO..it was a mistake on Patsy's part to have written those two words..."Listen Carefully".) I do not believe that Patsy wrote that note all by herself.

 

[RiverRat]

SD invited? This is a trap, to get him to turn. We are Borg. Resistance is futile. He has to be assimilated.

FYI I didn't know PR could quote movies like Speed, Dirty Harry, Ransom, and quite possibly write in a manner that resembles the L&L note. Has her , JR BR previous communications include such phrases?

I remember that the Bubble Bath "theory" was a very heated subject eons ago, promoted only by one poster at JusticeWatch....is this where you came up with yours by chance? :waitasec: I doubt that I won't have long to wait now before the Velvet Gloves to come off....:borgsmile: because SuperDave is well worth fighting for and you already had your chance to sell what he wasn't buying, so as your Patsy would say...:hand: Don't Go There, Pal!

:beamup:
RR

 

[RiverRat]

I am not sure what your agenda is,Voynich,but I do personally consider SD to be JonBenet's hero as well..right up there with Steve Thomas,and I'm sure a lot of others do,too.

Agenda? It has to be copying and pasting jameson's old posts from what I can see. JMO....

 

[BBB167893]

For sure the killer was a pedophile, and people don't get to be pedophiles overnight. Unfortunately for RDI, there's no history, no evidence of that sort of thing. Thats another loss for RDI: No corroborating evidence that JR or PR were pedophiles,

Oh, Lord. That's what I've been SAYING! What do you THINK I went through all that trouble to distinguish a pedophile from a situational molester? It sure as heck wasn't for my health!

Anybody want to help me out?

and JBR's killer was a pedophile.

SURE they were. A pedophile who only molests the victim "a little bit." (10 points to anyone who can tell me who said THAT!) I can keep going.

Strangulation by ligature isn't uncommon for sex criminals.

It also accounts for something like 15% of parental murders. Isn't that interesting?