JonBenet Ramson letter - written before or after + linguistics

[BBB167893]

IDI or RDI, you've got to wonder why December 25.

Speaking purely for myself, I have.

RDI scenarios describe something that could've happened any day of the year.

I was just thinking that.

 

[BBB167893]

Ha ha. I LIKE your mother!
:blowkiss:

Would have liked, KK. She's gone now.

 

[BBB167893]

OMG! This is too funny.

I'm so glad you are entertained.

BTW, the RN appears to quote from a variety of movies.

"Appears" does not always mean "is."

Logic suggests you do not like star trek.

I LOVE Star Trek, FYI.

May you live long and prosper. You do seem to know some EU.

You mean Expanded Universe, right?

Trivia quiz: which EU would, if s/he existed, most help in the current investigation and why? If you know this answer then I know where you got it from.

You got me.

[/QUOTE]I don't know if I want to know b/c I was once a boy and not a girl, but um, is it possible, if these alleged facts about hymens are correct, that JB got them from another playmate playing doctor, or masturbation or sticking things up there herself, or perhaps cleaning after some bm accident?[/QUOTE]

Oh, voynich, don't you think we've all been over that before? But in a nutshell:

1) Playing doctor: yeah, I guess it is possible. In fact, it's been suggested repeatedly.

2) Masturbation. That one was shot down by the investigators very early on. Dr. Virginia Rau specifically ruled it out. Moreover, would a kid REPEATEDLY jab herself to do THAT kind of damage?

3) Cleaning after an accident. voynich, that's EXACTLY what Dr. Richard Krugman thought!

Additionally, is it possible to establish how much back in time would result in these chronic inflammation, perhaps say 3 days back, when JB may have been with a hypothetical Santa Claus?

It may well be possible to do that. Dr. John McCann said that he could go back 10 days.

NOT that I want to but I could imagine all kinds of scenarios if I had a vagina.

Hey, it's a difficult subject, voynich. I won't give you any jazz about that. Sometimes I feel like there isn't enough soap in the world to get me clean again.

 

[voynich]

What's your fav star TREK quote? He's dead Jim and I'm a doctor not a xyz, beam me up scottie, logic would suggest..... are pretty basic,


EU Quinlan Vos. psychometric abilities.

So maybe a couple of days prior, JB met Santa Claus, and he promised to meet her again in a secret visit, and she let him in, hence no forced entry.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

That's easy: a Communist. Or if you prefer, a militant socialist. You've said so yourself.

You're red hot (no pun intended).

If you're a capitalist, then December 25 means Christmas. If you're a socialist/communist, December 25 means that and something else...

That could describe a LOT of people, HOTYH. When you said you knew more than me, I figured you were referring to this case specifically, not in general. I didn't realize that in order to crack a murder you had to know everything about everything.

In your theory, December 25 has no distinction. That is, it was an unplanned event.

In my theory, December 25 may be significant on its own. Its not unusual for planned attacks to commemorate other events. April 19 is an example, as the bombing of the federal building was related to the Waco seige.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

(McCoy is starting to pause and think.)
SCOTT: Captain Kirk!
KIRK: What is it?
SCOTT: He's forgetting.
MCCOY: I can't. I
KIRK: Bones? Bones?
MCCOY: All the ganglia, the nerves. There are a million of them. What am I supposed to do? What am I supposed to do?
KIRK: Bones, you can't stop now.
MCCOY: I'm trying to thread a needle with a sledgehammer. What am I supposed to do? I can't remember. I don't remember.
KIRK: Bones?
MCCOY: No one can restore a brain.
KIRK: You could. A while ago it was child's play.

 

[Ames]

IDI or RDI, you've got to wonder why December 25.

RDI scenarios describe something that could've happened any day of the year. Why December 25? 'Holiday stress' doesn't wash, because the holiday was over. 'They were going to take a trip' doesn't wash, because everybody knows that if you call LE with a ransom note and a dead child, they're not going to let you leave town for a while.

December 25 abounds with trivia and apparently I researched it and you didn't.

Well, yeah...apparently everybody but JOHN knew that...because he called his pilot with plans for "the remaining family members". And then he was told that he couldn't leave town.

 

[Ames]

That could describe a LOT of people, HOTYH. When you said you knew more than me, I figured you were referring to this case specifically, not in general. I didn't realize that in order to crack a murder you had to know everything about everything.

I mean, you didn't even know that it was Nedra Paugh who said JB was only molested a little bit. Now, you think about the implications of her saying that...

Holdon should spend more time researching this case...reading the interviews, the autopsy reports, you know...that sort of thing...instead of researching the significance of Dec. 25th. Hmmmm...the significance is...it just happened to be Christmas. I am sure that alot of people die on Easter, on Halloween, on Thanksgiving...etc. Personally, I don't see what other significance there was....other than Christmas night....or the night AFTER Christmas.

 

[Ames]

IDI or RDI, you've got to wonder why December 25.

RDI scenarios describe something that could've happened any day of the year. Why December 25? 'Holiday stress' doesn't wash, because the holiday was over. 'They were going to take a trip' doesn't wash, because everybody knows that if you call LE with a ransom note and a dead child, they're not going to let you leave town for a while.

December 25 abounds with trivia and apparently I researched it and you didn't.

That's because I see no need to waste my time. Who cares if Dec. 25th abounds with trivia? Besides...we don't know if she died on the 25th or the 26th....so, why don't you research the Dec. 26th, and see if theres a significance to THAT date too? You do that...and I will continue researching the things that matter about this case.

 

[Ames]

Boy, and howdy! JonBenet was murdered in her own home...but only "molested a little bit".

Those people are flat out, off-the-charts inappropriate. They had a LOT of difficulty with boundaries.

THAT'S how JonBenet ended up dead, IMO.

Well, I once knew this girl in high school that was a "little bit" pregnant. She was a cheerleader...so she was only pregnant "a little bit". Not to be confused with being "alot pregnant". So people couldn't talk bad about her...saying she was pregnant and all...because she was only pregnant..just "a little bit". Pregnant is pregnant...molestation is molestation. There is no "little bit" about either one of them...either you are pregnant or you aren't. Either JB was molested, or she wasn't. Those two words...little bit...doesn't fit in either case.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

That's because I see no need to waste my time. Who cares if Dec. 25th abounds with trivia? Besides...we don't know if she died on the 25th or the 26th....so, why don't you research the Dec. 26th, and see if theres a significance to THAT date too? You do that...and I will continue researching the things that matter about this case.

It makes perfect sense for RDI to disregard December 25 because most RDI holds the murder as unplanned. It also makes sense for IDI to ponder over why anyone would 'choose' December 25 in a premeditated plan.

Thats why I know more about it than you (December 25th has a major contemporary political significance not related to Christmas).

Besides I don't remember asking you to spend any time on it.

 

[Ames]

It makes perfect sense for RDI to disregard December 25 because most RDI holds the murder as unplanned. It also makes sense for IDI to ponder over why anyone would 'choose' December 25 in a premeditated plan.

Thats why I know more about it than you (December 25th has a major contemporary political significance not related to Christmas).

Besides I don't remember asking you to spend any time on it.

No, you are right..you didn't ask me to spend any time on it. I was just letting you know WHY I haven't researched it. If I were IDI, though...I would have, because you are right again...it does make sense for IDI's to ponder over why anyone would "choose" that particular date. I totally agree with you.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

No, you are right..you didn't ask me to spend any time on it. I was just letting you know WHY I haven't researched it. If I were IDI, though...I would have, because you are right again...it does make sense for IDI's to ponder over why anyone would "choose" that particular date. I totally agree with you.

It wasn't a waste of time for me. I found what I was looking for.

December 25th (and 26th), 1996 was an anniversary of a major event. The political signature of the event matches the political signature of the ransom note. What about that?

 

[Ames]

It wasn't a waste of time for me. I found what I was looking for.

December 25th (and 26th), 1996 was an anniversary of a major event. The political signature of the event matches the political signature of the ransom note. What about that?

Well that is great research Holdon...what major event was it the anniversary of?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Well that is great research Holdon...what major event was it the anniversary of?

Thank you.

First, can you see any political signature in the ransom note?

 

[Tadpole12]

I DID do research on December 25th, though, unlike RDI.

Hi Hotyh.

You should start a thread and compile that info.

Also you should consider that American traditions would differ from that of 'foreigners' ie (Halloween) Many Europeans celebrate on the 24th, and many Saints are culturally distinct.

 

[Tadpole12]

Must be. Maybe you can answer something for me, Tadpole. What is this, a crime forum or a third-grade playground?

Hi SD.
More like the Double-C.

 

[Tadpole12]

I don't know if I want to know b/c I was once a boy and not a girl, but um, is it possible, if these alleged facts about hymens are correct, that JB got them from another playmate playing doctor, or masturbation or sticking things up there herself, or perhaps cleaning after some bm accident? Additionally, is it possible to establish how much back in time would result in these chronic inflammation, perhaps say 3 days back, when JB may have been with a hypothetical Santa Claus?.

iirc 3 to 10 days max?

NOT that I want to but I could imagine all kinds of scenarios if I had a vagina.

Say what?

 

[JMO8778]

Thank you.

First, can you see any political signature in the ransom note?

LOL.that is the most ridiculous I have ever read,it is all over the place,and were there any connection,it would have been an obvious one,and not anything that was so haphazardly written in the spur of the moment.
the author (Patsy) even tells John not to think too hard...don't even consider the possibility of telling on her.

 

[Ames]

Thank you.

First, can you see any political signature in the ransom note?

You are welcome!

The only political signature that I can possibly see..is Victory! S. B. T. C.

But, as you know...I believe that Patsy wrote that note, with John's help. Pam and Patsy were religious people, and even Pam used the expression..."Patsy has her victory now"...and I believe that SBTC either means Saved By The Cross (that was a very popular saying back in 1996 with the religious crowd)...or Subic Bay Training Center, where John attended.