JonBenet Ramson letter - written before or after + linguistics

[Holdontoyourhat]

You are welcome!

The only political signature that I can possibly see..is Victory! S. B. T. C.

But, as you know...I believe that Patsy wrote that note, with John's help. Pam and Patsy were religious people, and even Pam used the expression..."Patsy has her victory now"...and I believe that SBTC either means Saved By The Cross (that was a very popular saying back in 1996 with the religious crowd)...or Subic Bay Training Center, where John attended.

I'm glad I didn't go ahead with the December 25 event with the same signature, since you don't seem to see any political signature in the RN.

Victory! and SBTC isn't a political signature. Those are two words in the RN. A political signature would be 'Democrat' or 'Republican' or something like that. You know, something you can infer from all the words in the ransom note.

YOu could say the RN has a religious signature of Southern Baptist. I wouldn't agree, since there's really no obvious religious remark.

 

[Ames]

I'm glad I didn't go ahead with the December 25 event with the same signature, since you don't seem to see any political signature in the RN.

Victory! and SBTC isn't a political signature. Those are two words in the RN. A political signature would be 'Democrat' or 'Republican' or something like that. You know, something you can infer from the whole ransom note.

Okay...I am begging you now...please post the Dec. 25th event that you are speaking of.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Okay...I am begging you now...please post the Dec. 25th event that you are speaking of.

First, I think I need a RDI to give at least a little political orientation to the RN.

I'll help.

A FBI agent referred to the 'Victory!' expression as revolutionary. 'Fat cat' was a jibe at JR, because he has personal wealth. The RN author even threatened to kill other 'fat cats'. 'Not the country that it serves' was a jibe at the US. Taken together, this is highly political not religious.

The RN obviously has a political theme. If you take the RN at face value, is the RN author a Republican or what? On the left? The right?

 

[KoldKase]

Would have liked, KK. She's gone now.

Sorry, you did tell us when she passed, at FFJ under your hat there. Old brain cells...have to be reminded. Forgive me.

 

[KoldKase]

Well, I once knew this girl in high school that was a "little bit" pregnant. She was a cheerleader...so she was only pregnant "a little bit". Not to be confused with being "alot pregnant". So people couldn't talk bad about her...saying she was pregnant and all...because she was only pregnant..just "a little bit". Pregnant is pregnant...molestation is molestation. There is no "little bit" about either one of them...either you are pregnant or you aren't. Either JB was molested, or she wasn't. Those two words...little bit...doesn't fit in either case.

I think there is little doubt that Nedra was trying to minimize the molestation in her comment, at least in her mind.

But it's interesting that she would do that. It's very much like families of incest, isn't it? They don't want to deal with the truth of the facts, and they don't want this most taboo behavior to be exposed because the repercussions are enormous; so they deny, minimize, and threaten the victim into silence with guilt and blame, typically.

JonBenet was molested and murdered. That's a fact. The motivation is arguable, obviously. But Nedra's attempt to deny the facts in the face of what JonBenet suffered is strange to me. Yet it's exactly what John and Patsy did, on TV and when asked about the prior molestation by LE. I don't understand how they justified their denial unless they, too, were covering up the truth.

 

[KoldKase]

I don't know if I want to know b/c I was once a boy and not a girl, but um, is it possible, if these alleged facts about hymens are correct, that JB got them from another playmate playing doctor, or masturbation or sticking things up there herself, or perhaps cleaning after some bm accident?

Why, I wonder, does every scenario you imagine causing this abuse exclude the obvious: she might have been molested by someone in the family.

Statistics on sexual abuse cite that older siblings are far and away the largest percentage of abusers when their younger siblings are abused. JonBenet had two older brothers, both of whom had access to her in private.

I do not know that they did this, obviously, but why go so far as to include self-inflicted injuries as a possibility and leave this possibility out?

Then there are the father and grandfather, two other males who had access to her. You do mention some kind of "cleaning" causing the prior vaginal injuries, so that would include Patsy as a possibility, as well. I personally don't see how that is possible without being extremely sadistic and/or punitive, but it has been discussed many times before, so I understand what you're thinking. In fact, this is/was Thomas' theory, except he included the bed wetting/incontinence issue.

Just some thoughts on your ideas.

 

[Tadpole12]

First, I think I need a RDI to give at least a little political orientation to the RN.

I'll help.

A FBI agent referred to the 'Victory!' expression as revolutionary. 'Fat cat' was a jibe at JR, because he has personal wealth. The RN author even threatened to kill other 'fat cats'. 'Not the country that it serves' was a jibe at the US. Taken together, this is highly political not religious.

The RN obviously has a political theme. If you take the RN at face value, is the RN author a Republican or what? On the left? The right?

Hi Hotyh.

Have you not read any of the links I've posted regarding Quebec's political history? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Quebec


un groupe d’individus ....

La Bataille (battle) socialiste

Victoire! http://www.ameriquebec.net/actualites/2009/02/16-victoire.qc

Le Réseau de Résistance du Québécois (RRQ) est très heureux de la victoire qu’il a obtenue aux dépens du gouvernement canadien au sujet de la reconstitution de la bataille des plaines d’Abraham.

Fat Cats: (les richards ? (péjoratif):
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=1122476



Clint .... http://eastwoodclint.free.fr/

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Hi Hotyh.

Have you not read any of the links I've posted regarding Quebec's political history? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Quebec


un groupe d’individus ....

La Bataille (battle) socialiste

Victoire! http://www.ameriquebec.net/actualites/2009/02/16-victoire.qc

Le Réseau de Résistance du Québécois (RRQ) est très heureux de la victoire qu’il a obtenue aux dépens du gouvernement canadien au sujet de la reconstitution de la bataille des plaines d’Abraham.

Fat Cats: (les richards ? (péjoratif):
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=1122476



Clint .... http://eastwoodclint.free.fr/

Yes and thanks. You see political theme in the RN.

 

[Tadpole12]

Yes and thanks. You see political theme in the RN.

I can 'attribute' one, yes.

 

[Ames]

First, I think I need a RDI to give at least a little political orientation to the RN.

I'll help.

A FBI agent referred to the 'Victory!' expression as revolutionary. 'Fat cat' was a jibe at JR, because he has personal wealth. The RN author even threatened to kill other 'fat cats'. 'Not the country that it serves' was a jibe at the US. Taken together, this is highly political not religious.

The RN obviously has a political theme. If you take the RN at face value, is the RN author a Republican or what? On the left? The right?

John thought of himself as a politician. You do know that he ran for office, don't you.

You are gonna make me look up the Dec. 25th -26th significance, aren't you?

I would say that the RN author was a democrat....LOL

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

That's easy: a Communist. Or if you prefer, a militant socialist. You've said so yourself.

John thought of himself as a politician. You do know that he ran for office, don't you.

You are gonna make me look up the Dec. 25th -26th significance, aren't you?

I would say that the RN author was a democrat....LOL

Democrat. Close enough (lol)

OK here's the event:

http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/1225.html#article

Google searched: On this day in history, today in history

'An end has been put to the cold war...'

'The Soviet State, born of a dream, dies.'

The ransom note is arguably far left political, matching a major political event that took place 5 years prior to the day.

 

[Ames]

Democrat. Close enough (lol)

OK here's the event:

http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/1225.html#article

Google searched: On this day in history, today in history

'An end has been put to the cold war...'

'The Soviet State, born of a dream, dies.'

The ransom note is arguably far left political, matching a major political event that took place 5 years prior to the day.

Thanks for the link...that is interesting.

 

[BBB167893]

What's your fav star TREK quote? He's dead Jim and I'm a doctor not a xyz, beam me up scottie, logic would suggest..... are pretty basic,

My favorite? "It is a good day to die."

EU Quinlan Vos. psychometric abilities.

Ah.

So maybe a couple of days prior, JB met Santa Claus, and he promised to meet her again in a secret visit, and she let him in, hence no forced entry.

That has been suggested.

 

[BBB167893]

You're red hot (no pun intended).

Thanks.

If you're a capitalist, then December 25 means Christmas. If you're a socialist/communist, December 25 means that and something else...

The Soviet Union, the biggest death machine in human history (with the possible exception of Maoist China) finally would trouble the world no more.

In your theory, December 25 has no distinction. That is, it was an unplanned event.

Yes and no. Like you said, it could have happened on any day. I just happen to think that it was the combination of factors that made it happen THAT day.

In my theory, December 25 may be significant on its own. Its not unusual for planned attacks to commemorate other events.

True enough. But they usually involve something a little more grandiose than one obscure kidnapping.

April 19 is an example, as the bombing of the federal building was related to the Waco seige.

Isn't that what I said?

If you take the RN at face value

You just said the magic words.

 

[BBB167893]

I think there is little doubt that Nedra was trying to minimize the molestation in her comment, at least in her mind.

But it's interesting that she would do that. It's very much like families of incest, isn't it? They don't want to deal with the truth of the facts, and they don't want this most taboo behavior to be exposed because the repercussions are enormous; so they deny, minimize, and threaten the victim into silence with guilt and blame, typically.

JonBenet was molested and murdered. That's a fact. The motivation is arguable, obviously. But Nedra's attempt to deny the facts in the face of what JonBenet suffered is strange to me. Yet it's exactly what John and Patsy did, on TV and when asked about the prior molestation by LE. I don't understand how they justified their denial unless they, too, were covering up the truth.

You just nailed it, KK! That was my reason for bringing it up to start with.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Thanks.



Darned if I can think of it.



Yes and no. Like you said, it could have happened on any day. I just happen to think that it was the combination of factors that made it happen THAT day. (Heck, at this point, you could tell me it was possession by evil spirits.)



Well then, as they say, lay it on me, man.



Isn't that what I said?

Democrat. Close enough (lol)

OK here's the event:

http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/1225.html#article

Google searched: On this day in history, today in history

'An end has been put to the cold war...'

'The Soviet State, born of a dream, dies.'

The ransom note is arguably far left political, matching a major political event that took place 5 years prior to the day.

There ya go.

 

[BBB167893]

There ya go.

Much obliged. I should have known that.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

True enough. But they usually involve something a little more grandiose than one obscure kidnapping.

One obscure kidnapping? Are we discussing the same case?

 

[Tadpole12]

Hi Hotyh.

Democrat. Close enough (lol)

OK here's the event:

http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/1225.html#article

Google searched: On this day in history, today in history

'An end has been put to the cold war...'

'The Soviet State, born of a dream, dies.'

The ransom note is arguably far left political, matching a major political event that took place 5 years prior to the day.

Oh. Okay. Cool.

communism differs from socialism

french are socialists - not 'commies'*,
diiferent from the Communists USA feared and was/is preoccupied with.

*(although the french peeps love to holiday in Cuba)

fyi:
anti-American sentiments felt by the Quebecois are the relection of the historical battle between cultures, English (British) and French (France),
an imbalance of power and privilege
and a 'colonial past' of 'occupation'.

Anti-American sentiments ..... are universally felt.




Resistance est futile.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Hi Hotyh.



Oh. Okay. Cool.

communism differs from socialism

french are socialists - not 'commies'*,
diiferent from the Communists USA feared and was/is preoccupied with.

*(although the french peeps love to holiday in Cuba)

fyi:
anti-American sentiments felt by the Quebecois are the relection of the historical battle between cultures, English (British) and French (France),
an imbalance of power and privilege
and a 'colonial past' of 'occupation'.

Anti-American sentiments ..... are universally felt.




Resistance est futile.

JBR's murder was probably somebody going off the deep end for political reasons. They may have thought it was political revenge or thought that killing more fat cats was something to threaten to do, but really it was probably some die hard loser throwback from the cold war era that lost his mind. Political revenge explains why there's been no recurrence.