JonBenet Ramson letter - written before or after + linguistics

[Ames]

Probably a good way to look at it is like this: When you know what container the pineapple in the fridge was in, then you probably know that the pineapple belonged to the R's. As long as you don't know if it was a bag, plastic cup, or whatever, then you have no idea where the pineapple came from. The source of the pineapple is unknown, if you don't even know what type of container it was in.

If the Ramsey's didn't have pineapple in their fridge...they would have said so. Instead of just saying that JB wouldn't have gone to the kitchen in the dark to fix some for herself. So, you are saying that an "INTRUDER" brought in fresh pineapple to feed to JB? Now why in the he.L would he do that? So, along with the cord, tape, kleenex box, etc. etc....he brings in fresh pineapple?? Well, alrighty then...

 

[JMO8778]

Patsy bought the pineapple at Safeway,which she did a lot BECAUSE JB liked pineapple.no big mystery there.the housekeeper probably confirmed that one,as she did with so many other things the R's lied about.

 

[Ames]

Patsy said she bought the pineapple at Safeway,which she did a lot BECAUSE JB liked pineapple.no big mystery there.

I have read that before, but...couldn't remember if it was in her interview or not. I need to go back and re-read it. Of course, holdon would like a link.

 

[BBB167893]

Explain these:

Most items physically located on JBR, that were used in the murder, can't be sourced to the R's. Those items are the tape, cord, pineapple, and blunt instrument or surface.

Well, let's see. LHP wrote that she saw the cord lying in the basement a few days earlier. Probably won't take. Pineapple? You have a bowl on the counter, bits in JB's stomach that could only get there AFTER they got home, and no real straight answer from either R about how it got there. Bodycount math. And as for the blunt instrument, last I knew it WAS sourced to the Rs: their rubber-coated flashlight.

The same DNA of an unknown male are on two articles of clothing that JBR was wearing at the time she was murdered. In her underwear mixed with her blood, and on the waistband of her longjohns.

Maybe you haven't kept up lately, but DNA is a LOT easier to transfer than most of us would like to think. Don't take my word for it, either. As I've said before, Bill O'Reilly talked about this on his show, "The O'Reilly Factor." During a segment on this case specifically, his guest, an FBI criminologist, said that DNA evidence was a double-edged sword because as the technology gets more and more sensitive, the more likely it is to detect DNA that is irrelevant to a given crime. That's what I believe happened here. I think it's helpful to remember that the testing machines, as good as they are, are still machines, and as such are, for lack of a better term, stupid. By that I mean that they don't know the difference between what's relevant and what isn't. They only know what the human operator tells them.

BPD attempted to match PR's handwriting to that of the RN author, and the attempt failed.

I can't explain a failure that didn't happen, HOTYH. Plenty of them thought that she wrote it. They just weren't willing to say so in court because they knew they'd have to challenge other experts, which would do a LOT of damage to the image they try to project. You know all of that "politicking" in document analysis I've been talking about? You'd do well to learn a little about it.

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Why not come up with 3 of RDI most compelling arguments?

It would be a PLEASURE!

I'd be more than happy to explain them to you!

I'll bet you would!

 

[Tadpole12]

Guess I'll stick this link here ... for refernce.

re: knots and rope

The Clove Hitch:

http://www.animatedknots.com/cloveboating/index.php

 

[icedtea4me]

If the Ramsey's didn't have pineapple in their fridge...they would have said so. Instead of just saying that JB wouldn't have gone to the kitchen in the dark to fix some for herself. So, you are saying that an "INTRUDER" brought in fresh pineapple to feed to JB? Now why in the he.L would he do that? So, along with the cord, tape, kleenex box, etc. etc....he brings in fresh pineapple?? Well, alrighty then...

They never proclaimed "But we didn't have any pineapple in our home!"

Somewhere in the June 1998 interview when Patsy is being shown a picture of the kitchen knife on the 2nd floor laundry area counter she asks "Do you see something yellow there?"

Yellow? Pineapple, perhaps?

 

[RiverRat]

When I said 'loose ends' I was being sarcastic.

In the case of JBR, you've got at least eight (8) major crime scene items:

Pen, paper, paintbrush, cord, tape, pineapple, oversize underwear, and unknown blunt instrument or surface.

Removing the items that never had contact with JBR leaves 6 items. These 6 items are known to be intimately involved.

Paintbrush, cord, tape, pineapple, oversize underwear, and unknown blunt instrument or surface.

Of the 6 items physically involved with the murder, only 2 can be sourced to the house. The other 4 come from an unknown source. Thats not very good.

What is missing here, to place these other items at the house, are receipts, wrappers and containers, innocent or unrelated uses of the same materials, and family or non-family testimony. All claimed by RDI to be missing for common, 'understandable' reasons. I'd buy that excuse for minority of items unsourced. I don't think that excuse can be rationally applied to the great majority of items.

Not with a straight face.

Which two would those be that you admit eek as a Ramsey owned item?

 

[Ames]

They never proclaimed "But we didn't have any pineapple in our home!"

Somewhere in the June 1998 interview when Patsy is being shown a picture of the kitchen knife on the 2nd floor laundry area counter she asks "Do you see something yellow there?"

Yellow? Pineapple, perhaps?

Exactly! Not ONE time did they say..."Gee...where did that pineapple come from? We didn't have any in our house, so the intruder must have brought it in with him". All they said was..."we didn't feed her pineapple, and we don't know who did".

 

[Ames]

Which two would those be that you admit eek as a Ramsey owned item?

LOL..Holdon admits that the two Ramsey owned items are the paintbrush and the underwear. The rest of it is "unsourced" he says. LOL

But golly gee...if the intruder brought in the cord, the tape, the pineapple, yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah....then he could have brought in the paintbrush and the underwear TOO!

 

[RiverRat]

LOL..Holdon admits that the two Ramsey owned items are the paintbrush and the underwear. The rest of it is "unsourced" he says. LOL

But golly gee...if the intruder brought in the cord, the tape, the pineapple, yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah....then he could have brought in the paintbrush and the underwear TOO!

Even though the paper and Sharpie were in fact Ramsey owned?!

Whatever.
RR

 

[DeeDee249]

So was the pineapple. PR's prints were on the bowl. PR had said she always kept pineapple because JBR liked it.

 

[claudicici]

...oh,yeah and what about that book on the ramsey's night stand,and the white santa teddy ,didn't they say the intruder brought all that crap in as well....

 

[Ripley007]

I joined Websleuths to participate in the sleuthing of the Caylee A case. It was the JBR case that first got me started in an interest with missing persons, yet, ironically, I've never posted here. Also, ironically, it was the randsom note specifically, that interests me the most. However, you all seem to be discussing pineapples on this thread?...
As an introduction may I say Hello JBR sleuths! My bottom line with this case is this-Patsy most certainly wrote the randsom note. Therefore Patsy knew exactally what happened to her daughter. Case closed! Since things are slowing down on the KC/Caylee board, I'm likely to start haunting here. Hope a new set of eyes/opinions will be welcome.

 

[Ripley007]

re: the bowl of Pineapple. LE found two sets of fingerprints on the bowl. PR and BR. JBR was found with pineapple undigested in her stomach. So DUH! She ate the proverbial pineapple. Stupid to deny this FACT! BR was OBVIOUSLY awake and present when this event took place. The R's are PROVEN LIARS, just like the KCA family is. I'm betting within my lifetime, (after JR is dead too), that BR will tell his TRUTH. At this point, does it really matter that the TRUTH may not come to light for another 10-20 years...after all, they have already gotten away with MURDER and PR is already dead. There will NEVER be a conviction (of justice) for JB.
As a child, the "big" murder mystery was what ever happened to ???(whats-his-name) the union leader dude. Minds going blank. Anyway, that mystery was solved. Chicago. He was shot dead upon entering a home and then his body was incinerated. Now we have a woman going before the media claiming her father was the zodiac killer. Point being, as much as you and I hate it, some crimes will never see the perp brought to justice, but if we live long enough, at least the mystery part will be revealed.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

LOL..Holdon admits that the two Ramsey owned items are the paintbrush and the underwear. The rest of it is "unsourced" he says. LOL

But golly gee...if the intruder brought in the cord, the tape, the pineapple, yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah....then he could have brought in the paintbrush and the underwear TOO!

Items unsourced to the Ramseys: Cord, tape, pineapple, unknown blunt instrument or surface, and...

one more unsourced item.

The handwriting. It has not been officially sourced to the house, except of course by RDI enthusiasts.

There seems to be a whole slew of things that RDI can't source to the house. RDI needs to prove these things were owned by the R's, but can't.

Not one of these five items have been proven to belong to the R's, after 12 long years? I can't believe it. Maybe someday if just one of these items can be proven to belong, then RDI might start to be believable.

Does RDI believe claims like "PR always had pineapple because JBR liked it," as tangible proof positive that the R's owned that pineapple? Where does it say PR always had pineapple? Does RDI also believe that its not unusual for multiple items not originally sourced to the house to stay that way for 12 years?? Thats quite an investigative lull, doncha think?

I don't think RDI fully understands the idea if RDI then all items had to be on hand that night. Had to be owned by the R's, and had to come to the R's house. Accidental rage fit theory requires all items to be on hand, already existing at the house for other innocent purposes. That should be really easy to prove and yet RDI can't. Not on just one or two items either. Believe it or not, MOST items used in the murder cant be factually traced to the house or any of its members.

What more does RDI need to see its way off? Unidentified male DNA at the crime scene?

 

[RiverRat]

Cord, tape, pineapple, unknown blunt instrument or surface, and...

one more unsourced item.

The handwriting. It has not been officially sourced to the house, except of course by RDI enthusiasts.

Look below and then look people in the eye and repeat that statement....

 

[RiverRat]

LOL..Holdon admits that the two Ramsey owned items are the paintbrush and the underwear. The rest of it is "unsourced" he says. LOL

But golly gee...if the intruder brought in the cord, the tape, the pineapple, yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah....then he could have brought in the paintbrush and the underwear TOO!

Good thing that the extremely important FIBERS were sourced! :gavel:

 

[RiverRat]

I joined Websleuths to participate in the sleuthing of the Caylee A case. It was the JBR case that first got me started in an interest with missing persons, yet, ironically, I've never posted here. Also, ironically, it was the randsom note specifically, that interests me the most. However, you all seem to be discussing pineapples on this thread?...
As an introduction may I say Hello JBR sleuths! My bottom line with this case is this-Patsy most certainly wrote the randsom note. Therefore Patsy knew exactally what happened to her daughter. Case closed! Since things are slowing down on the KC/Caylee board, I'm likely to start haunting here. Hope a new set of eyes/opinions will be welcome.

Whew....you got it already!

:Welcome-12-june:

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Look below and then look people in the eye and repeat that statement....

How can you post that PR wrote the note, when zero of the five BPD-hired CDE's stated it? Are you then taking over the official investigation, or can we conclude that the RN handwriting isn't officially sourced to the house?

 

[RiverRat]

How can you post that PR wrote the note, when zero of the five BPD-hired CDE's stated it? Are you then taking over the official investigation, or can we conclude that the RN handwriting isn't officially sourced to the house?

I have perfect vision obviously.....

The rest of your post..LOL - Yes, I am taking over the official investigation and my first official order is that all are to believe that the RN Handwriting is indeed sourced to the house! Now - that should help end plenty of nonsense! :woohoo: