JonBenet Ramson letter - written before or after + linguistics

[Holdontoyourhat]

You ain't seen NOTHIN' yet!



A monkey could have done a better job than Hoffman did.

Lets see...

BPD wouldn't arrest, Grand Jury wouldn't indict, DA wouldn't prosecute and in fact went out of their way to exhonerate, federal court ruled in their favor, and Secret Service sided in their favor.

Hmm...

RDI has 101 reasons why this is all understandable and explainable despite the R's having murdered their daughter in their own home while leaving the body, murder weapon, and 2 1/2 pages of handwriting right there at the crime scene. Far more than most murder investigators get.

Personally it makes a lot of sense if JBR was murdered by an intruder. No need to bash people.

 

[BBB167893]

Lets see...

BPD wouldn't arrest,

WANTED to arrest, and don't forget it.

Grand Jury wouldn't indict,

We don't know that.

DA wouldn't prosecute

EXACTLY! "Wouldn't." Strong emphasis. With a history of not taking cases to trial.

and in fact went out of their way to exhonerate,

No kidding! And for reasons no reasonable person would accept. It's all in the book.

federal court ruled in their favor,

Given the evidence the court saw (didn't see, would be more appropriate) and the s**tty job the plaintiff's atty. did, I can't say I'm surprised. I devoted an entire chapter to that. It pretty much AGREES with you.

and Secret Service sided in their favor.

ONE person did a preliminary analysis so hastily that Ubowski took issue with it.

RDI has 101 reasons why this is all understandable and explainable

And it might do you well to examine some of them, rather than just dismissing them out of hand.

despite the R's having murdered their daughter in their own home while leaving the body, murder weapon, and 2 1/2 pages of handwriting right there at the crime scene. Far more than most murder investigators get.

It doesn't matter how much you have if you don't know how to USE it. That's my point.

Personally it makes a lot of sense if JBR was murdered by an intruder.

Yeah, I used to think that.

No need to bash people.

REALLY??? I seem to remember your side bashing a LOT of people. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

But that's neither here nor there. HOTYH, if telling the truth about the incompetence in this case is "bashing," then I guess I'm guilty. But I can assure you that I have not said anything that other people inside the case have not said. Indeed, I go to great lengths to compile that information.

In other words, if you don't like the answers, don't ask the questions. Don't blame me.

 

[madeleine]

Interesting reading re note

http://vincentbridges.com/2006/03/29/innocent-murder-the-real-story-of-jonbenets-death/

 

[eleven]

Lets see...

BPD wouldn't arrest, Grand Jury wouldn't indict, DA wouldn't prosecute and in fact went out of their way to exhonerate, federal court ruled in their favor, and Secret Service sided in their favor.

Hmm...

RDI has 101 reasons why this is all understandable and explainable despite the R's having murdered their daughter in their own home while leaving the body, murder weapon, and 2 1/2 pages of handwriting right there at the crime scene. Far more than most murder investigators get.

Personally it makes a lot of sense if JBR was murdered by an intruder. No need to bash people.

Love your post! I think YOU need to write a book---that is one I would buy!

 

[ziggy]

REALLY??? I seem to remember your side bashing a LOT of people. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.QUOTE]

I think that's called using bad behavior to justify more bad behavior.

My dear Grandma used to say, "two wrongs don't make a right".

IMO, it's not the best justification.

 

[smart blonde]

Interesting reading re note

http://vincentbridges.com/2006/03/29/innocent-murder-the-real-story-of-jonbenets-death/

Wow.
The word 'interesting' doesn't even begin to cover it.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Love your post! I think YOU need to write a book---that is one I would buy!

Thank you twice!

 

[nobull]

Love your post! I think YOU need to write a book---that is one I would buy!

There's already enough fiction regarding this case to last a lifetime.

 

[BBB167893]

REALLY??? I seem to remember your side bashing a LOT of people. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

I think that's called using bad behavior to justify more bad behavior.

My dear Grandma used to say, "two wrongs don't make a right".

IMO, it's not the best justification.

You're right. That immediately went through my mind as I was typing that. But my intent was not to justify myself (indeed, I feel little need to justify anything), but just to remind people not to throw stones in a glass house.

 

[BBB167893]

There's already enough fiction regarding this case to last a lifetime.

LOL! Indeed, that was the big reason I took on this project to start with!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

There's already enough fiction regarding this case to last a lifetime.

Thats pretty funny, considering my post that prompted your remark had no fiction in it. No bull, really.

 

[BBB167893]

This promises to be fun.

 

[voynich]

This promises to be fun.

Does anyone remember that this thread started on

"Forensic linguistics
By Gerald R. McMenamin, Dongdoo Choi"



His book appears to be dated Mar 28, 2002, on amazon, so that would seem to preclude him using touch DNA and arriving at a conclusion based on that, and then backwards rationalizing his conclusion.

I was once an RDI knight, same as your father. Then this and touch DNA and my pupil was seduced by the Dark Side, to IDI. A more elegant tool from a more civilized time.

 

[DeeDee249]

Does anyone remember that this thread started on

"Forensic linguistics
By Gerald R. McMenamin, Dongdoo Choi"

Care-or care not. There is no remember.

 

[voynich]

Care-or care not. There is no remember.

lol :crazy:

 

[BBB167893]

Interesting reading re note

http://vincentbridges.com/2006/03/29/innocent-murder-the-real-story-of-jonbenets-death/

I think this should be stickied.

 

[BBB167893]

Voynich, I consider you my friend and all. And when friends have a problem, they should talk them out. Well, I have a problem. It's been bothering me for a while now. It occurs to me that you don't think much of my theory. That's not the problem. What bothers me is that instead of trying to talk it out, which I'd be more than happy to do, you took it upon yourself to make sport of it. Maybe that wasn't your intention; I'm going to give you a chance to correct me if you think I need it. But this is what I was subjected to: a poster here made a statement about how they couldn't believe how this could have happened. This was what you provided:

SD explains that JB told PR she and daddy were having sex again, so PR, was enraged rather than first engaging JR, she engaged JB and struck her head with a single blow hard enough to crack her skull.

That upset me. Not only because you mischaracterized it, but because of the response it got. I was accused of just making things up out of the blue. No thought was given to how I might have arrived at such a conclusion. No thought was given as to how much it KILLS me on the inside to believe such a thing or how I pray every night that I'm wrong.

Now, again, maybe your intent was not to do all of this. If you have a problem with what I have to say, just come right out with it. That's what I'm here for. You've proven your ability to approach things in a mature way around here. Quite frankly, I expect better.

Okay, it's off my chest now.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Voynich, I consider you my friend and all. And when friends have a problem, they should talk them out. Well, I have a problem. It's been bothering me for a while now. It occurs to me that you don't think much of my theory. That's not the problem. What bothers me is that instead of trying to talk it out, which I'd be more than happy to do, you took it upon yourself to make sport of it. Maybe that wasn't your intention; I'm going to give you a chance to correct me if you think I need it. But this is what I was subjected to: a poster here made a statement about how they couldn't believe how this could have happened. This was what you provided:



That upset me. Not only because you mischaracterized it, but because of the response it got. I was accused of just making things up out of the blue. No thought was given to how I might have arrived at such a conclusion. No thought was given as to how much it KILLS me on the inside to believe such a thing or how I pray every night that I'm wrong.

Now, again, maybe your intent was not to do all of this. If you have a problem with what I have to say, just come right out with it. That's what I'm here for. You've proven your ability to approach things in a mature way around here. Quite frankly, I expect better.

Okay, it's off my chest now.

Relax, you're wrong.

JR and JBR didn't do anything, and PR never hit JBR. Parents abuse their kids, sure. Not in this case, though. Not if you believe and understand the evidence.

The most important evidence has to be literally dashed out the window in order to see things from your POV.

This all doesn't make you any less Super, though.

 

[BBB167893]

Relax, you're wrong.

This is between me and voynich, HOTYH. If you want to hash this out, that's fine. But I want it done honestly.

JR and JBR didn't do anything,

SOMEBODY did.

and PR never hit JBR. Parents abuse their kids, sure. Not in this case, though. Not if you believe and understand the evidence.

My resentment at your implication aside, HOTYH, it is precisely my belief and understanding of the evidence that has led me to the place I'm in. I understand the darkness of human nature only too well.

The most important evidence has to be literally dashed out the window in order to see things from your POV.

That's a very nice rationalization for not TRYING, HOTYH. Moreover, don't forget who I used to be. There was a time when I would have said the exact same thing to someone like me. Right up until I DID see the RDI POV. If someone as fanatical as I can change sides, you're not immune. Nobody is.

This all doesn't make you any less Super, though.

Wow. I'm at a loss for words.

 

[voynich]

Voynich, I consider you my friend and all. And when friends have a problem, they should talk them out. Well, I have a problem. It's been bothering me for a while now. It occurs to me that you don't think much of my theory. That's not the problem. What bothers me is that instead of trying to talk it out, which I'd be more than happy to do, you took it upon yourself to make sport of it. Maybe that wasn't your intention; I'm going to give you a chance to correct me if you think I need it. But this is what I was subjected to: a poster here made a statement about how they couldn't believe how this could have happened. This was what you provided:



That upset me. Not only because you mischaracterized it, but because of the response it got. I was accused of just making things up out of the blue. No thought was given to how I might have arrived at such a conclusion. No thought was given as to how much it KILLS me on the inside to believe such a thing or how I pray every night that I'm wrong.

Now, again, maybe your intent was not to do all of this. If you have a problem with what I have to say, just come right out with it. That's what I'm here for. You've proven your ability to approach things in a mature way around here. Quite frankly, I expect better.

Okay, it's off my chest now.

hi Dave,
I apologize if my style of communication offended you, my intent wasn't to offend, was to emphasize that typically, if a mother finds out that her kindergarten daughter was being sexually abused, it seems to me she would confront the adult responsible, but I recognize this is a pretty unusual case. If RDI is true, then the R's won the get out of jail card lottery with the DNA and LE missteps. I did state that I think PR-only among RDI (possibly BDI) seems to me to be more plausible.
And I've stated that if PR+JR, there are problems along the lines that JR would not allow PR to write such an RN, PR and JR may not fully cooperate or tell contradictory statements, etc.

I did state in the post immediately before

I sensed a great disturbance in the Force

I feel my most impressive detective work to date is outing SD as a Dark Lord of the Sith.

If I had known this I probably would have called myself SithSlayer rather than voynich.

I did address you as my little green friend.
Can we be Sith Lord-Jedi Master friends again? If so, I'll let you experience the full power of the Dark Side. (evil laff)