JonBenet the extraordinary child

[capps]

Goes to show how much I know .... I didn't realize Nedra Paugh passed away in 2001,until just now, while surfing.

 

[luvbeaches]

Someone post on another JonBenet board that Nedra told Pam and Patsy from the time they were little that it was their JOB to do pageants and Patsy was teaching the same thing to JonBenet.
Also I know what you mean I've seen pictures of Nedra and the Ramsey family and they are creepy!

In these 2 pictures, they look like still dolls:
http://www.jonbenet-ramsey.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=43&=4

http://www.jonbenet-ramsey.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=43&=5

And I remember Nedra commenting about JonBenet only being molested " a little bit" or some odd thing like that. Very strange and very weird pictures.

I think the "key" to JonBenet's death doesn't have anything to do with the "keys" handed out to people.

 

[Shanny]

And I remember Nedra commenting about JonBenet only being molested " a little bit" or some odd thing like that. Very strange and very weird pictures.

I think the "key" to JonBenet's death doesn't have anything to do with the "keys" handed out to people.

I belive that if Nedra was alive she would be the one who would tell people how the Ramseys REALLY were, and probably correct every lie that J & P have told because she seem to be a blabber mouth

 

[tipper]

Someone post on another JonBenet board that Nedra told Pam and Patsy from the time they were little that it was their JOB to do pageants and Patsy was teaching the same thing to JonBenet.
Also I know what you mean I've seen pictures of Nedra and the Ramsey family and they are creepy! [...]

If so they didn't listen very well. Patsy didn't enter any pageants until she was in junior high.

 

[Goody]

I've read similar quotes assigned to LHP, and think now , as I thought then, that the child may have "reacted" to her. Don't we all have kids that have reacted to someone poorly, where we mistakenly try to "sweeten" it up with a nudge or a whispered, "this isn't like you, behave yourself". Kids are like puppies, going on instinct, they know what is different, what is harsh, what is not what they are use to. Often this results in them not wanting to be in a situation or around a certain person. Time has taught me, they are often right.

And sometimes they are spoiled brats who behave inappropriately on a regular basis. Not saying JB was or wasn't, just that we didn't know her so we don't know which was the true profile of the child. I tend to distrust such glowing reports though. They just don't have a ring of truth to them. What 5 year old uses words like "earth". She probably said she wanted to feel the ground under her feet and what is so unusual about that? Most kids that age do.

 

[Toltec]

If so they didn't listen very well. Patsy didn't enter any pageants until she was in junior high.

Wrong Tipper....Patsy spoke about being put into pageants as a young child and there is even a picture of little Patsy in a pageant dress floating around somewhere.

My guess is this "mega JonBenet" thing that Patsy's friends wanted to speak to her about was brought on when they heard about the performance JonBenet gave at her school...the one where she sang and danced for the entire elementory school.

 

[tipper]

Wrong Tipper....Patsy spoke about being put into pageants as a young child and there is even a picture of little Patsy in a pageant dress floating around somewhere.

My guess is this "mega JonBenet" thing that Patsy's friends wanted to speak to her about was brought on when they heard about the performance JonBenet gave at her school...the one where she sang and danced for the entire elementory school.

Quoting Thomas p 83 " When she was thirteen she attended a Miss West Virginia contest and fell under the pageant spell, confiding to her sister Pam, 'I want to do that someday.'"

Added: Quoting Patsy DOI p 54 " When Dianne Barnett, one of Parkersburg own, was a candidate for Miss West Virginia on our hometown stage we all felt part of the ecitement. Her younger sister,Jan, and I were junior high school friends. That year Dianne became Miss West Virginia and went on to Atlantic City to compete in the Miss America Pageant....Phyllis George, Miss Texas, won that year... I was smitten.

Don't know if PMPT has anything. Dianne Barnett was Miss West Virginia in 1970

Perhaps you are thinking of dance recitals which Patsy did participate in as a child?

 

[narlacat]

Wrong Tipper....Patsy spoke about being put into pageants as a young child and there is even a picture of little Patsy in a pageant dress floating around somewhere.

My guess is this "mega JonBenet" thing that Patsy's friends wanted to speak to her about was brought on when they heard about the performance JonBenet gave at her school...the one where she sang and danced for the entire elementory school.

Toltec
Are you talking about the planned intervention ??
I can never find a source for that and noone seems to know if it true or not.
Where did you find out about that??

 

[Zman]

And I remember Nedra commenting about JonBenet only being molested " a little bit" or some odd thing like that. Very strange and very weird pictures.

I think the "key" to JonBenet's death doesn't have anything to do with the "keys" handed out to people.

If this thread doesn't prove that most people decide who murdered JBR by what they think personally of the family I don't know what would.

 

[capps]

If this thread doesn't prove that most people decide who murdered JBR by what they think personally of the family I don't know what would.

Zman,
I love your "straight to the point" answers.

Luvbeaches,

Handing out keys to many people cannot be ruled out.Without any evidence of a forced entry,and knowing many people had keys to the house,and may have given them out to some one else ... how can the keys not be important?

 

[sissi]

The police reported at least one unlocked door and several windows, a key may well be important, however, tamper marks on the door ( LE lied about this as well) could be indicative of a person using "tools" to get into the house.
LE quoted a locksmith as saying it was "old" damage, he spoke ,later, to investigators and said he did not ever SUGGEST it was old damage. Again, who is lying? My score board has the chalk marks on the LE side.

 

[Raina]

LE quoted a locksmith as saying it was "old" damage, he spoke ,later, to investigators and said he did not ever SUGGEST it was old damage. Again, who is lying? My score board has the chalk marks on the LE side.

I agree with you Sissi. It would be interesting to start a thread that documents all of the LE lies.

 

[Shanny]

And sometimes they are spoiled brats who behave inappropriately on a regular basis. Not saying JB was or wasn't, just that we didn't know her so we don't know which was the true profile of the child. I tend to distrust such glowing reports though. They just don't have a ring of truth to them. What 5 year old uses words like "earth". She probably said she wanted to feel the ground under her feet and what is so unusual about that? Most kids that age do.

In a Vanity Fairacticle it said
{ For all her dreamy looks, JonBenet ( A combination of John and Bennet, Ramsey's middle name) was not an easy child. "They would talk about how incorrigible (difficult to control ) she was, " says Stobie, "and at the same time, she was so cute, she was going to be the Miss America thing." }

 

[luvbeaches]

I belive that if Nedra was alive she would be the one who would tell people how the Ramseys REALLY were, and probably correct every lie that J & P have told because she seem to be a blabber mouth

Yeah, I think she would have blabbed. I think their secrets will eventually surface...and eventually we will know what happened that night.

 

[luvbeaches]

Zman,
I love your "straight to the point" answers.

Luvbeaches,

Handing out keys to many people cannot be ruled out.Without any evidence of a forced entry,and knowing many people had keys to the house,and may have given them out to some one else ... how can the keys not be important?

The key issue would be important if it weren't for all the things the R's said and did during that morning and from then on. When they had their little coffee get-together for their friends that morning...even after the ransom note said not to talk to a stray dog (or they would behead JonBenet), that's when the tide turned for me.

 

[luvbeaches]

If this thread doesn't prove that most people decide who murdered JBR by what they think personally of the family I don't know what would.

I think the family is a bit odd (but heck, I have odd family members)...but there are just too many things the R's did and said for me to believe anything they said...no matter how weird I think Nedra was. The "little bit" molested was something that had me going...what???

 

[Raina]

And I remember Nedra commenting about JonBenet only being molested " a little bit" or some odd thing like that. Very strange and very weird pictures.

I think the "key" to JonBenet's death doesn't have anything to do with the "keys" handed out to people.

I have never heard that Nedra said that but if she did I have a feeling she may have been talking about the night of the murder.

 

[Zman]

I think the family is a bit odd (but heck, I have odd family members)...but there are just too many things the R's did and said for me to believe anything they said...no matter how weird I think Nedra was. The "little bit" molested was something that had me going...what???

Try no looking at what people said and what people did and look at the crime scene. I know it's not as much fun but you have to try and stop making more out of it than what it is. A brutal message of hatred of JR by the torture and violent murder of JBR.
Now who hated JR that much?

 

[golfmom]

I know I never post here, but something struck me in the rose quote attributed to JBR.

It sounds a lot like something out of "The Little Prince"

http://www.teenink.com/Past/2005/June/19204.html

The prince loves his rose enough to care for it every night by protecting it with a glass globe and requesting a muzzle for his sheep. He knows that the rose is naive with only four purposeless thorns and, out of his loyalty to her, it is his duty to protect her. Likewise, the narrator loves the prince and feels an obligation to secure his safe journey home.

 

[capps]

Try no looking at what people said and what people did and look at the crime scene. I know it's not as much fun but you have to try and stop making more out of it than what it is. A brutal message of hatred of JR by the torture and violent murder of JBR.
Now who hated JR that much?

Zman,

That's where my thoughts are also.

I think the person revenging JR is an important/powerful person,who is some how associated to JR and planned it,setting up the keys,ranson note,etc., but got a low life to handle it. The low life instead of just kidnapping JR as planned,got greedy and molested and killed her.

That DNA belongs to the low life.