JonBenet the extraordinary child

[BlueCrab]

I think the person revenging JR is an important/powerful person,who is some how associated to JR and planned it,setting up the keys,ranson note,etc., but got a low life to handle it. The low life instead of just kidnapping JR as planned,got greedy and molested and killed her.

That DNA belongs to the low life.

capps,

If a Ramsey wasn't involved in the crime, why are the Ramseys lying, refusing to cooperate with the investigation, and covering up -- obviously to shield the identity of someone? Why would they coverup to protect a lowlife who molested and murdered their 6-year-old daughter?

 

[Shanny]

capps,

If a Ramsey wasn't involved in the crime, why are the Ramseys lying, refusing to cooperate with the investigation, and covering up -- obviously to shield the identity of someone? Why would they coverup to protect a lowlife who molested and murdered their 6-year-old daughter?

I don't understand how the Ramseys wrote " The Death of Innocence" and in the book they remember everything, from what they ate Christmas morning, how the children open their presents, when they went to the summer house in Michigan to when they found Sister Sox the cat. They wrote down every single thing from years ago that happened but yet when asked about the night of the murder both of them can't remeber anything.

 

[capps]

capps,

If a Ramsey wasn't involved in the crime, why are the Ramseys lying, refusing to cooperate with the investigation, and covering up -- obviously to shield the identity of someone? Why would they coverup to protect a lowlife who molested and murdered their 6-year-old daughter?

BlueCrab,

Pardon me if I sound frustrated ... but every time I post my theory,you post back with the same questions which I have repeatedly replied back to you.

So I don't have to retype it all,this is again the reply I gave to you on the thread "Was This Ever Asked?":

To answer your three givens:
1. We know the Ramseys are covering up something. Wouldn't they do this ONLY if a Ramsey family member was involved in the killing?
I see it more as the Ramsey's being evasive,than a "cover up".Some people understand "cover up" as "staging" ... I don't believe the Ramsey's did any staging,maybe the paid low life (intruder) did though.I believe the Ramsey's are being evasive for fear of these powerful business associates/friends because of more revenge,or some kind of back lash,some thing in that vein,
that may hurt John even more etc.We cannot rule it out,and accept it as ONLY family.
2. We know the CBI handwriting experts said John didn't write the ransom note and it was unlikely Patsy wrote it, but they couldn't eliminate BR as the writer. Wouldn't this strongly suggest BR was the writer, but who apparently had help with the wording from an older person ?
It was "unlikely" Patsy wrote it. "Unlikely" tells me ...gee,it looks sort of like Patsy's writing,but not quite. Seems to me that SOME ONE was trying to copy Patsy's handwriting/style.Surely,with Patsy knowing her "social graces",there were plenty of thank you notes,invitations,etc.to business associates/friends to go around and copy from.True,they couldn't eliminate Burke,but they couldn't eliminate Patsy either.
3. We know the DNA eliminates JR, PR, and perhaps BR (the authorities are allowed to legally lie to protect the identity of a juvenile), so that leaves the DNA of an unidentified fifth person in the house that night. Wouldn't the fifth person in the house that night likely be the older person who helped BR with the wording?
No one knows the DNA of the intruder ... maybe the fifth person is the low life.
Let's also talk about the enchanced few last minutes of the 911 call. I honestly am not convinced. Only a very few select people have heard a good copy of it,that's not enough to sway me. But ... for the sake of argument ... let's say it was BR. Why after some believe the family had all night to stage and plan this kidnap/murder cover up,would BR,just minutes before the police are to arrive,be saying:"Please,what do I do?" and "What did you find?" Doesn't fit in. I believe IF BR came down stairs,the Ramsey's in their hysteria,wanted BR out of the way .... and not involved in this horrible situation,and told him to stay upstairs in bed,and lied about it,to protect him from the crazy situation tat was only going to get worse. He was only 9 years old and his sister was just kidnapped.
I want to set the record straight ... BC, I am not trying to prove you wrong.that is not my intent.In fact your theory is very good,and I do not rule it out. But IMO,my theory is just as credible.

I respectfully take your theory in consideration,and continually ask you different questions to fill in some of my doubts.Please feel free to ask me any question about my theory,or even state you diagree. But asking the same question that I have replied to over and over again is ... well ... frustrating.

 

[aussiesheila]

Zman,

That's where my thoughts are also.

I think the person revenging JR is an important/powerful person,who is some how associated to JR and planned it,setting up the keys,ranson note,etc., but got a low life to handle it. The low life instead of just kidnapping JR as planned,got greedy and molested and killed her.

That DNA belongs to the low life.

So this idea is interesting.

But can you expand on it a bit please

Does it go like this?

Revenger arranges for low life to kidnap JonBenet promising him a cut of the ransom money

Instead low life molests JonBenet in her house then kills her

So instead of removing a live child he leaves behind a dead body and a ransom note

Is he still expecting to get some ransom money?

No that can't be right

 

[capps]

So this idea is interesting.

But can you expand on it a bit please

Does it go like this?

Revenger arranges for low life to kidnap JonBenet promising him a cut of the ransom money

Instead low life molests JonBenet in her house then kills her

So instead of removing a live child he leaves behind a dead body and a ransom note

Is he still expecting to get some ransom money?

No that can't be right

Aussiesheila,

If you visit the "Members' Theories" thread you will find my condensed theory. Hope it clears it up a little for you.

 

[Toltec]

I don't understand how the Ramseys wrote " The Death of Innocence" and in the book they remember everything, from what they ate Christmas morning, how the children open their presents, when they went to the summer house in Michigan to when they found Sister Sox the cat. They wrote down every single thing from years ago that happened but yet when asked about the night of the murder both of them can't remeber anything.

Exactly.

 

[dingo]

Shanney.Im with you on this point.The day of of Jonbents death is shrouded in mystery, no photos,no christmas video.I do believe her death was an accident which had something to do with the events of that day.

 

[tipper]

Shanney.Im with you on this point.The day of of Jonbents death is shrouded in mystery, no photos,no christmas video.I do believe her death was an accident which had something to do with the events of that day.

There are photos. JonBenet and Burke opening presents. One with Patsy and JonBenet. They have been posted on the internet.

 

[dingo]

Ive seen the early morning pics but nothing of the rest of the day,or that night ,which imo is very telling. If the rams are innocent and everything happened while they were asleep why arent we seeing pics of that night.The Whites had a house full of people,Im sure there were flashbulbs going off everywhere

 

[Zman]

So this idea is interesting.

But can you expand on it a bit please

Does it go like this?

Revenger arranges for low life to kidnap JonBenet promising him a cut of the ransom money

Instead low life molests JonBenet in her house then kills her

So instead of removing a live child he leaves behind a dead body and a ransom note

Is he still expecting to get some ransom money?

No that can't be right

Ya know people it's not my personal theory or opinoin but if your troubled by the RN being left at the scene of a murder consider this

maybe they just left it first before things got out of hand and then just never went back for it.

 

[tipper]

Ya know people it's not my personal theory or opinoin but if your troubled by the RN being left at the scene of a murder consider this

maybe they just left it first before things got out of hand and then just never went back for it.

That's what I think happened.

 

[dingo]

Zman, how could things have gotten out of hand.If it was a kidnapping and an unknown intruder was involved, why did he/she head to the wine celler.They had JBR in their possession,why not leave the house with her.To say they may have forgottten about the RN on the spiral staircase means they would have to use the main staircase to escape.I really hope to be proven wrong when this case is solved,but in my way of thinking,too much was happening in that house on the night of JBRS murder to believe the intruder theory.

 

[tipper]

Zman, how could things have gotten out of hand.If it was a kidnapping and an unknown intruder was involved, why did he/she head to the wine celler.They had JBR in their possession,why not leave the house with her.To say they may have forgottten about the RN on the spiral staircase means they would have to use the main staircase to escape.I really hope to be proven wrong when this case is solved,but in my way of thinking,too much was happening in that house on the night of JBRS murder to believe the intruder theory.

Why would they have to use the main staircase to escape? Perhaps they were planning on putting her in the suitcase. The basement would be the safest place to work. Something went terribly wrong and they were up and out the butler's pantry door.

 

[dingo]

Repeating myself here,but why did the so called kidnapping go so astray,why would the perp waste time in the house when he already had what he came for.This so called intruder seemed to be so smart in some ways and so dumb in others.Do you think he actually cornered himself in the basement when he had a lot of other exit points.Actually intruder is the wrong word to use, he was a kidnapper belonging to a SFF, count in child molester as well,I Bet the rest of his faction was really pi$$ed off when he didnt turn up with the goods.










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[why_nutt]

Why would they have to use the main staircase to escape? Perhaps they were planning on putting her in the suitcase. The basement would be the safest place to work. Something went terribly wrong and they were up and out the butler's pantry door.

Have you looked at the house floor plans lately? The butler's pantry door is the least useful way to leave the house when one is leaving the basement and house in a hurry.

This is a bad route:

This is a good route:

This is also a good route:

So, with illustrations in front of us all, tell us why you still think the pantry door exit makes any sort of sense as anything other than a red herring planted by the Ramseys.

 

[tipper]

Ok so they went out the front door or the other one. Either way they didn't need to use the front staircase (as dingo suggested) to make their escape.

 

[Camper]

Ya know people it's not my personal theory or opinoin but if your troubled by the RN being left at the scene of a murder consider this

maybe they just left it first before things got out of hand and then just never went back for it.

Well what did 'the foreign faction group' say to our 'lone' perp, when they found that they were NOT going to get $118,000.00? Er, maybe our 'lone' perp just disenfranchised hisself from the group for fear of large bumps on his head and black and blue marks to be administered by the 'rest of the ff group', for failing his 'mission'.

It appears that the 'lone' perp has not been sent on another mission in the past 8.5 years.



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[why_nutt]

Well what did 'the foreign faction group' say to our 'lone' perp, when they found that they were NOT going to get $118,000.00? Er, maybe our 'lone' perp just disenfranchised hisself from the group for fear of large bumps on his head and black and blue marks to be administered by the 'rest of the ff group', for failing his 'mission'.

It appears that the 'lone' perp has not been sent on another mission in the past 8.5 years.

You touch on a point which should always be kept in mind.

If the intruder theory was true, then everyone who believes in it must incorporate the fact that the reasons which would motivate an intruder to kill JonBenet did not end with JonBenet's death. If JonBenet was killed to get money, then, on December 26th and every day after that up to this very day, the killer did not get that money. What, did the killer suddenly not need it or want it when the jig was up? If JonBenet was killed as a way to destroy John Ramsey's life, then why would the killer enjoy letting John surround himself with supportive friends and family who would not let John's life be destroyed? Why would the killer raise not a finger to interfere with John Ramsey's choice of how he spent his money? The killer did not make John spend his money on expensive lawyers and investigators. The killer did not sabotage John's employment with Access. The killer did not threaten John Andrew or Melinda or Patsy or Burke. The killer did not even threaten John Ramsey himself. And if JonBenet's killer was part of a conspiracy among several people, all of these things are true for every member of the conspiracy.

 

[tipper]

Oh I think John Ramsey's life was effectively destroyed. Just compare the difference in it from Dec 24th and earlier to the 26th and beyond.

 

[why_nutt]

Oh I think John Ramsey's life was effectively destroyed. Just compare the difference in it from Dec 24th and earlier to the 26th and beyond.

John Ramsey was not in the best of shape on December 24th and before. He was suffering from undiagnosed clinical depression. He was preparing to quit his job in May, rather than be fired in the upcoming selloff of Access by Lockheed-Martin he knew was on the horizon, and he had no new job lined up and ready to replace his old income. He had money, but it was all tied up in non-liquid assets; two airplanes, two expensive boats, two expensive houses. In September of 1996, his oldest son John Andrew had been issued a summons and two weeks after that was arrested for two separate incidents of underage drinking and was due to attend a court hearing after Christmas centered on those incidents. His youngest son Burke was not especially smart, and while his daughter was skilled enough in math to perform well at an age-appropriate level, Burke needed to be tied down to math tutors in Charlevoix while he was meant to be enjoying his summer vacation. His wife was cheery about having defeated cancer, but John did not believe a word of it and was sure she was going to die before JonBenet grew to womanhood. Speaking of Patsy, John was starting to see her put JonBenet into pageants he did not approve of. John did not mind pageants where there was a talent portion, because it was the only part in which he approved JonBenet's participation. But on December 24th, Patsy was preparing JonBenet for a pageant, the Little Miss Hawaiian Tropic pageant, and it had no talent portion. John's little girl was to be judged in January of 1997 only on her looks and her clothing and nothing else, and it was John's responsibility to pay the large expenses involved in having her so judged.

Oh, and all during this, John did not have his religious faith to draw upon, because as he has said often, he did not come to an understanding of what faith actually was until well after JonBenet was killed.