Jonbenet's bed

  • #61
I kinda doubt that ever happened...why would an intruder leave his boots?
The R's lie so much anyway.If they'd said they found potato chip crumbs in the carpet,yes,but boots? I don't think so.

Yep, they do lie...I am sure that's just another one of them, to point to an intruder. Why would someone leave their boots behind anyway...wouldn't they need them on their feet? That reminds me of the Shania Twain song..."Who's Bed Has Your Boots Been Under?" I am sure though..that the dude she talks about in the song, actually TAKES his boots with him when he leaves. Or better yet, he puts them on his feet....
 
  • #62
Yep, they do lie...I am sure that's just another one of them, to point to an intruder. Why would someone leave their boots behind anyway...wouldn't they need them on their feet? That reminds me of the Shania Twain song..."Who's Bed Has Your Boots Been Under?" I am sure though..that the dude she talks about in the song, actually TAKES his boots with him when he leaves. Or better yet, he puts them on his feet....

ROFL...I was laughing about that b/c my aunt was talking about how she went to her vacation home and found potato chips crumbs and stuff embedded in the carpet..someone had broke in and had a party,and that made me think of that.That's believable.But boots??? Huh??
 
  • #63
What everyone misses is that she was not killed in the wine-cellar, and probably not killed in the kitchen/breakfast bar area with its lack of disorganization and staging e.g. pineapple bowl. Similar reasoning applies to her bathroom since it was left in disarray, so was she killed in the Den, or JR's bedroom, hence the black fibers left on her genital area, or is BlueCrab correct and Burke was directly involved?

Wasn't it odd that Burke said in one of his interviews that he "felt it was very important to mention that the White's made a special plate of cracked crab for JonBenet?" and also that when asked to draw a family picture after his sister's death that he drew only his mother, father and himself?
 
  • #64
BR was weird. And he probably resented his sister big-time. But this murder was done by adults.
 
  • #65
Wasn't it odd that Burke said in one of his interviews that he "felt it was very important to mention that the White's made a special plate of cracked crab for JonBenet?" and also that when asked to draw a family picture after his sister's death that he drew only his mother, father and himself?

I thought it was JR,but it makes me wonder if a drug was found in her system after all,b/c JR tried to use that incident to say that JB had been drugged by the White's,just b/c PW had been nice enough to make her a plate of her own.
 
  • #66
The coroner's report specifically said no drugs were found in her system. While things can be redacted from a coroner's report (on a judges' order) I don't believe the report can outright lie. If drugs were found, and it was not released to the public- nothing would be mentioned at all about it. But the report would not say "no drugs" if there were actually drugs found.
 
  • #67
I've heard that said,but why would JR try to say the White's drugged her?
 
  • #68
I think JR was just trying to make everyone look suspicious to make them look less suspicious. I have never found anything on Burke Ramsey's interview, is there documents available on that?
 
  • #69
BURKE'S INTERVIEW



On January 8, John and Patsy took Burke to the Child Advocacy Center in Niwot, Colorado, through arrangements made by the Boulder Police department, to be interviewed by Dr. Suzanne Bernard, a specialist in child psychology. As is customary in interrogations of children, Dr. Bernhard played a game with Burke throughout the interview and the entire interview was videotaped.



When left alone with the psychologist, Burke appeared to be at ease and even told the doctor that be felt safe, even though he did say that he had not wanted to come that day! Dr. Bernhard thought it was unusual for this child to feel safe. "People in this entire town didn't feel safe with the concept that there was someone running around that could be snatching children, and this was his own sister and happened in his own home. Generally speaking, a child who goes through this kind of trauma, where a sibling or a family member has been killed, they don’t feel safe.



Burke described his father as quiet and that he was "always at work", and that his mother "worked as a mom'. The thing he liked most about his mom was that she gave him lots of hugs and kisses, and the thing he liked most about his dad were "planes". Throughout the interview he showed little warmth towards his family, but at the same time was very protective of them. According to Burke, the worst thing they did was not buy him, expensive toys. Dr. Bernhard explained that most children in interviews will discuss things about the family that angers them even if they love them, but Burke appeared to have difficulty in opening up about his family, similar to children who can't say things, because they feel that there are some things they shouldn't say.



Social Services had previously provided Dr. Bernhard with some history on Burke which indicated an ongoing bedwetting problem, but Burke denied this saying that it happened a long time ago. Children are usually honest about this in interviews, and Dr. Bernhard wondered why Burke was not.



Many of Burke's other responses also created areas of concern for the doctor. Burke displayed an enormous amount of lack of emotion, almost to the point of indifference, which Dr. Bernard explained may be attributed to shock, but could also have been a lack of attachment to his family. Since his mother had appeared very emotional when she brought Burke for the interview, Dr. Bernard thought that perhaps Burke could not deal with the family’s emotions and had therefore just withdrawn. Even in response to questions which should have elicited strong emotions, he remained non-expressive. When asked “How have things been since your only sister died?”, Burke responded, “It’s been okay.” And when asked if he missed her, he said, “Yep.” Burke continuously told Dr. Bernhard that he tried to forget about things and just play his Nintendo.



'When asked to draw a picture of his family, he drew a father figure who was distanced from Burke, a mother figure which was the smallest figure in the picture, and JonBenet was not in the picture at all. Dr. Bernhard interpreted the drawing to suggest that Burke felt his father was not emotionally available to him and that his mother was insignificant and did not have a great deal of power. Dr. Bernhard thought it extremely abnormal that JonBenet was not in the family picture at all, since her heath had occurred only 13 days prior. Most children continue to include deceased siblings in family drawings years after the death because it is too devastating for them to think about the loss. Burke also told Dr. Bernhard that he was “getting on with his life.”, another very abnormal reaction for a child who had so recently lost his sibling.



When specifically discussing the crime, he related that he did not hear any noises that night and that he was asleep, but he admitted that he usually hears when someone opens the refrigerator door downstairs. Dr. Bernhard asked what he thought happened to his sister. Burke, showing the first signs of irritation during the interview, responded, "I know what happened, she was killed.” Burke's explanation to the doctor was “someone took her quietly and took her down in the basement took a knife out or hit her on the head." He said that the only thing he asked his dad was "where did you find her body", a highly unusual query from a child considering the possible questions a child might ask about the death of a sibling.



Dr. Bernhard felt there needed to be more follow-up with Burke in the discussion of sexual contact. The only show of emotion by Burke, other than the irritation with the questions about the actual crime, was when Dr. Bernhard began to ask about uncomfortable touching. Burke picked up a board game and put it on his head an action indicating anxiety or discomfort with these types of questions and that there was more that he was not telling her. Dr. Bernhard asked Burke if he had any secrets, and he said, “probably, if I did, I wouldn't tell you, because then

it wouldn’t be a secret.
http://www.crimeandjustice.us/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t1588.html
 
  • #70
Burke's Interview

http://www.acandyrose.com/12261996-911.htm


Page 317: With his legs pulled up and his chin on his knees, Burke said he played some Nintendo on the afternoon of December 25. When showed a photograph of the pineapple and bowl, he recognized the bowl. That showed it belonged in the house and not brought in by an intruder. He recalled nothing unusual at the Whites' party other than getting a mild shock from the electric deer fence outside. He said his sister fell asleep in the car on the way home but awakened to help carry presents into the house of a friend. When they got home, JonBenet walked in slowly and walked up the spiral stairs to bed, just ahead of Patsy. That was quite a difference from the initial and frequently repeated story that she was carried to bed. I felt that this poor kid was confused and that he really had no idea what had happened that night. He heard the house creaking during the night, he said, and when he awoke, his mother was turning on the lights and in a rush, saying, "Oh my gosh, oh my gosh," then his father turned the lights on and off again. Burke stayed in bed wondering if something had happened. He heard his father trying to calm his mother, then telling her to call the police. Burke told the detective he did not get out of bed that morning and that a policeman looked into his room. He recalled thinking that when the police arrived "we would probably be tied up all day" and that he was disappointed the family would not be going to Charlevoix as planned."




Perfect Murder, Perfect Town
Released on February 18, 1999
Written by Lawrence Schiller

Excerpts from Lawrence Schiller's book, "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town" that related directly to the 911 call the morning of December 26, 1996 and whether Burke Ramsey was sleeping or awake during the 911 call.

Page 286: "In February, Detective Trujillo had sent a copy of the tape to the U.S. Secret Service, but their attempt to enhance the recording had not succeeded. Aerospace used a different technology, and voices in the background could now be heard more clearly. Hickman listened to the tape and wrote down what she heard.

"Help me Jesus, help me Jesus." That was clearly Patsy’s voice. Then, in the distance, there was another voice, which sounded like JonBenet’s brother.

"Please, what do I do?" Burke said.

"We’re not speaking to you," Hickman heard John Ramsey say.

Patsy screamed again. "Help me Jesus, help me Jesus."

And then, more clearly, Burke said, "What did you find?"

The snippet of conversation was obviously important. Patsy and John had told the police, and CNN on January 1, that when they found JonBenet missing, they checked Burke's room for their daughter, who sometimes slept there. They had never said waht they found in Burkes' room. Later Patsy said they did not awaken Burke until about 7:00 A.M. when her husband roused him to have him taken to the White's house."

Page 523: "On Tuesday, June 9, as agreed, Pete Hofstrom and Dan Schuler traveled to Atlanta to interview Burke Ramsey. In preparation, they consulted the FBI and the Boulder detectives and reviewed the videotape of Burkes' January 8, 1997, interview. The interviews were to be conducted at a local district attornies office and videotaped. On three consecutive days June 10, 11 and 12 for two hours each day JonBenet’s brother would be questioned by Schuler, a police officer with a gift for talking to kids, a cop who didn’t like guns and never carried one."

Page 524: "When Schuler asked Burke if his mother and father had prepared him for the conversation, he said no. Gently Schuler explored whether Burke thought his sister had sometimes been a bad girl and gotten mad at people. They discussed which people she got mad at and whether she had been mean and nasty to those people. Schuler asked Burke if his mother and father ever got really mad at his sister. Burke said he didn't think so. Schuler's most important questions, never asked directly, was whether JonBenet had ever done something to bring about her death. Again Burke answered no. Had she fallen and hit her head? He didn't remember her doing that. The most delicate part of the interview was getting Bure to answer questions without revealing what the police knew. First, he was asked if he ate any pineapple and when he went to bed. He didn't remember. What did he and his father talk about when they played with his Chrismas gift that night? Just that it was time for bed. Then Schuler asked what happened after Burke went to bed. Did he have any dreams? Did he hear anything in his sleep? Burke said he had heard voices, in the distance. Maybe it was a dream, maybe not. It was so long ago he said. Without mentioning the 911 tape, Schuler asked Burke when he got up that morning and how he awakened. He did not want the Ramsey's to learn what the police knew. The plan was to confront them about the tape during their own interviews, which would probably take place later in the month. Burke said he remembered waking up and hearing a loud conversation from down the hall or on the front stairs. Maybe his mother had come into his room, but he was sure he stayed in his bed and pretended to sleep. He was concerned while he pretended, he said. Burke told Schuler he was awake when his mother made the phone call. His parents might have thought he was asleep but he wasn't he said. When he was asked if he spoke to his parents that morning before being awaken at seven to be taken to the Whites' house, he said no. He said he had stayed in his room the whole time. The 911 tape seem to say otherwise. Had Burke been coached, or had his thinking changed independently since his January 1997 interview? The detectives wondered."
 
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  • #73
Thanks for posting the interviews with Burke. It is so sad what that little boy went through, and still does go through.
I think he knows what happened... atleast subconsciously.
I think he was coached a whole lot!!!!!
That whole family was so messed up. But I do think Patsy had an anger management problem, amongst many other mental health issues. I think she could just fly off the handle and be out of control over nothing.
 
  • #74
Thanks for posting the interviews with Burke. It is so sad what that little boy went through, and still does go through.
I think he knows what happened... atleast subconsciously.
I think he was coached a whole lot!!!!!
That whole family was so messed up. But I do think Patsy had an anger management problem, amongst many other mental health issues. I think she could just fly off the handle and be out of control over nothing.

He knows something. And it will come out later with drugs or the like if he does not talk about it. There is no doubt in my mind.
 
  • #75
The knowledge that Burke lives with every day of his life is horrid.
 
  • #76
I've heard that said,but why would JR try to say the White's drugged her?

Because JR REALLY wanted to finger the White's with the murder of JBR. So anything that would add to that scenario would not be surprising. I am surprised JR didn't realize that an autopsy can disclose drugs in the system, and hair samples can disclose drugs taken quite a while ago.

What also seems strange to me is why the Rs or anyone else would think it was odd for the White's to save some cracked crab for JBR if they knew she liked it. I myself have done the same thing many times for friend's kids who were eating at my home. If I had something in the house I knew they enjoyed, I would certainly save some for them. This simple act is not indicative of having anything to do with this crime. But the Rs NEEDED to do all they can to point a finger at the White's, so this was just one more thing.
 
  • #77
I thought it was JR,but it makes me wonder if a drug was found in her system after all,b/c JR tried to use that incident to say that JB had been drugged by the White's,just b/c PW had been nice enough to make her a plate of her own.

It was JR and PR that made a big deal out Priscilla giving JB a plate of cracked crab. But, in that same interview....John plainly says that she was "making up plates for the kids"....so wasn't JB a kid, too? Yeah, then why was that so weird John?...She wasn't the only kid that had a special plate made up for her. But, yet...they acted like Priscilla singled JB out.
 
  • #78
  • #79
Because JR REALLY wanted to finger the White's with the murder of JBR. So anything that would add to that scenario would not be surprising. I am surprised JR didn't realize that an autopsy can disclose drugs in the system, and hair samples can disclose drugs taken quite a while ago.

What also seems strange to me is why the Rs or anyone else would think it was odd for the White's to save some cracked crab for JBR if they knew she liked it. I myself have done the same thing many times for friend's kids who were eating at my home. If I had something in the house I knew they enjoyed, I would certainly save some for them. This simple act is not indicative of having anything to do with this crime. But the Rs NEEDED to do all they can to point a finger at the White's, so this was just one more thing.

For sure...they were trying to point the finger at the Whites...funny thing is...Here, in this interview of John's...he says that Priscilla made special plates for all the kids. Maybe...Maybe...she was trying to drug THEM ALL!! ;)




6 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, all I can specifically
7 remember was the cracked crab. I think they had a
8 turkey dinner. But I think she made, she always
9 makes these little hot dogs with barbecue sauce
10 that the kids love. I remember her specifically,
11 Priscilla coming over this big plate of cracked
12 plate making little plates, and I wanted to save
13 these out for JonBenet and she took them out and
14 put them in the plate.
15 LOU SMIT: What were they?
16 JOHN RAMSEY: I think it was the cracked
17 crab.
18 MIKE KANE: What is cracked crab? I'm from
19 the east. I don't know --
20 JOHN RAMSEY: She doesn't take all of it.
21 It's like pieces of crab that are cut up. They're
22 cold.
23 MIKE KANE: They're real crab?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. They're boiled like.
25 They're already broken. They're like just chunks
0102
1 of, like somebody has already broken up the legs
2 and I guess it was like king crab that was
3 partially open.
4 MIKE KANE: Okay.
5 JOHN RAMSEY: But she specifically, I
6 just remember her making little plates going down
7 the line. Which, in retrospect, seems a little
8 strange.


OKAY....LINE 12....John says...that HE wanted Priscilla to save out the cracked crab for JB, so Priscilla takes some out and puts them on a plate. He also keeps saying that she was making plateS (plural)...going down the line. He mentions her making PLATES more than once. And THEN....in line 7 and 8.....(the last part of posted interview)...he says that her making little PLATES seemed a little strange. So, she didn't just make a plate for JB....she was making plateS of the barbeque hot dogs, and JOHN wanted her to also put some cracked crab on JB's plate. And....HOW and WHY would this be "strange"...if John asked her do to it?????? I don't get it...
 
  • #80
To me, it's all the ways the Rs tried to point the finger at other people, especially the Whites, that implicate the Rs to me.
Thanks for posting that JR interview where he mentions that HE was the one to ask for some crab for his daughter. Yet they go and say how ODD it was for Pricilla White to offer it to JBR.
Reminds me of when PR was shown the ransom note and said that it looked like her housekeeper's (LHP) writing.
 

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