JonBenet's personality

[Maikai]

So how often do you think they were playing doctor? And why in the middle of the night on Christmas night? And whose idea was it to implement the garrote? Why would JonBenet agree to being strangled if she and her brother were just playing doctor? There was evidence that she had been molested previously to the night she died...was that playing doctor also? Anyone could have been using their finger on her...consider the difference in size between the finger of a nine year old boy and an adult.

There were no healed scars indicating prior abuse....her pediatrician says there was no evidence of prior abuse. The "chronic inflammation" is what some have intrepreted as prior abuse, and that can be taken several different ways.

 

[narlacat]

Her pediatrician never actually gave her an internal examination though did he?
Not quite sure about that.

 

[why_nutt]

There were no healed scars indicating prior abuse....her pediatrician says there was no evidence of prior abuse. The "chronic inflammation" is what some have intrepreted as prior abuse, and that can be taken several different ways.

His diagnosis continues to be questionable, if only because a true diagnosis would require an internal examination, which he never did. I would like to see Beuf try and diagnose larynx cancer by looking at a patient's lips, or ovarian cancer by looking at the skin on a patient's belly, or a brain tumor by looking at a patient's scalp. It really is the same thing as what he claims to have done; he looked at the outside skin of JonBenet's labia, and proclaimed that no damage could possibly have been behind it.

 

[LinasK]

There were no healed scars indicating prior abuse....her pediatrician says there was no evidence of prior abuse. The "chronic inflammation" is what some have intrepreted as prior abuse, and that can be taken several different ways.

Ummm, what other explanation do you propose to explain chronic vaginal inflammation???

 

[why_nutt]

Ummm, what other explanation do you propose to explain chronic vaginal inflammation???

I would like to know how the bubbles, in the supposed bubble-bath that is meant to be one explanation, got inside JonBenet's vagina, but managed to stay away from her external genital skin, which was not found to be irritated.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

And why, if this kept happening again and again, didn't they just stop using bubble bath stuff period? Six years old is old enough to take a shower for bathing, or they could just stop using bubble bath. The first time my daughter got vaginal irritation from bubble bath soap would be the last bubble bath she had.

 

[eve]

And why, if this kept happening again and again, didn't they just stop using bubble bath stuff period? Six years old is old enough to take a shower for bathing, or they could just stop using bubble bath. The first time my daughter got vaginal irritation from bubble bath soap would be the last bubble bath she had.

I agree and had first hand experience as it happened to my daughter. No more bubble baths! It sounds to me like JB had numerous health issues, many of them red flags for sexual abuse, IMO. What on earth was going on that her doctors weren't putting two and two togther, let alone her parents?

Eve

 

[Jayelles]

I find it surprising that Patsy used heavy make-up on JonBenet if she had such sensitive skin as to get irritated by bubble bath.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

It's rather bizarre, it seems as though both JonBenet's parents and her doctor just didn't want see or admit that JB's symptoms were consistent with that of a girl being sexually abused. I cannot understand that at all, unless there really was some kind of conspiracy and cover up going on.

 

[why_nutt]

And why, if this kept happening again and again, didn't they just stop using bubble bath stuff period? Six years old is old enough to take a shower for bathing, or they could just stop using bubble bath. The first time my daughter got vaginal irritation from bubble bath soap would be the last bubble bath she had.

In my opinion, and I strongly suspect this, Patsy refused to stop using bubble baths, because JonBenet looked soooooo cute surrounded by the bubbles, and as we have come to thoroughly understand, Patsy fulfills her own needs first, and those needs are to have things look the way she wants them. JonBenet nude in a tub of plain water? Not cute. JonBenet with bubbles on her cheeks? Cute. Therefore, the priority to maintain her daughter's health is sacrificed at the altar of being adorable and making the bathing process entertaining for Patsy.

 

[why_nutt]

I find it surprising that Patsy used heavy make-up on JonBenet if she had such sensitive skin as to get irritated by bubble bath.

Actually, that could explain a thing or two as to why why we have so few pictures of JonBenet outside of the pageants and after she began pageant participation. Patsy would not have liked to take pictures of JonBenet with giant blotches on her face from the latest pageant makeup session, so wait until the blotches have cleared up and then let pictures be taken.

 

[Shanny]

I thought the chronic vaginal inflammation
came from JonBenet having bad toilet habbits,
Patsy said that JB developed a rash down there so every once in a while Patsy had to put some sort of cream on JonBenet to sooth the irritation.

Ummm, what other explanation do you propose to explain chronic vaginal inflammation???

 

[LinasK]

I thought the chronic vaginal inflammation
came from JonBenet having bad toilet habbits,
Patsy said that JB developed a rash down there so every once in a while Patsy had to put some sort of cream on JonBenet to sooth the irritation.

Okay, when my daughter was a baby, she had bloody diaper rash. We used an ointment with zinc on her- there was no vaginal inflammation.

 

[Becba]

Okay, when my daughter was a baby, she had bloody diaper rash. We used an ointment with zinc on her- there was no vaginal inflammation.

I never had a daughter til I remarried and she was much older than JonBenet. My son once got an irritation on his genitals from laudry detergent, I put too much in the wash. I have nieces and aside from diaper rash on their bottoms occaisionally when they were young and always in diapers they never had any irritation like JonBenet.
My stepdaughter once got a yeast infection and that was when she was 14. It was caused by antibiotics. I never heard of a child going to the dr so freguently and having such problems so often. IMO It was from ongoing sexual abuse.
And I'd like to know if that was the only dr she ever went to. Did she ever go while on vacation in GA? Did she only have inflamation in Boulder? Was she only abused by someone in boulder? Did she ever go to the emergency room? I would have taken a child that needed "a stitch" as PR said about JonBenet after being hit by her brother with a golf club, to an emergency room.

 

[Zman]

Ummm, what other explanation do you propose to explain chronic vaginal inflammation???

http://www.healthscout.com/ency/1/000897.html

Nonspecific vulvovaginitis (where no causative organism or irritant can be identified) can be seen in all age groups, but it occurs most commonly in young girls before puberty. Once puberty begins, the vagina becomes more acidic, which tends to help prevent infections.
Nonspecific vulvovaginitis can occur in girls with poor genital hygiene and is characterized by a foul-smelling, brownish-green discharge and irritation of the labia and vaginal opening. This condition is often associated with an overgrowth of a type of bacteria that is typically found in the stool. These bacteria are sometimes spread from the rectum to the vaginal area by wiping from back to front after using the bathroom.

Sexual abuse should be considered in children with unusual infections and recurrent episodes of unexplained vulvovaginitis. Neisseria gonorrhoeae, the organism that causes gonorrhea, produces gonococcal vulvovaginitis in young girls. Since gonococcal vaginitis is considered a sexually transmitted disease, young girls with culture-proved gonococcal vaginitis should be evaluated for sexual abuse.

Seems to me there may be other reasons.
Also I would think anyone sexually abusing a child would be less likely to take her to the doctor often not more likely.

 

[LinasK]

Sexual abuse should be considered in children with unusual infections and recurrent episodes of unexplained vulvovaginitis. Neisseria gonorrhoeae, the organism that causes gonorrhea, produces gonococcal vulvovaginitis in young girls. Since gonococcal vaginitis is considered a sexually transmitted disease, young girls with culture-proved gonococcal vaginitis should be evaluated for sexual abuse.

Also I would think anyone sexually abusing a child would be less likely to take her to the doctor often not more likely.

Seems to me that you just disproved your original point. Also John was the one who probably sexually abused her, but Patsy would've most likely been the one to take her to the doctor...

 

[Zman]

Seems to me that you just disproved your original point. Also John was the one who probably sexually abused her, but Patsy would've most likely been the one to take her to the doctor...

Was not trying to disprove or prove anything just looking for proof that it could be something other than sexual abuse. Did you even read the first paragraph? You asked the question sorry if you don't like the answer.

 

[Toltec]

We all agree that Patsy invested thousands of dollars on these pageants becaues she believed that was what JonBenet wanted.

JonBenet wanted to be an Olympic skater. I have not read anywhere that Patsy invested in skate lessons or such.

It is quite obvious that Patsy alone chose her daughters future and JonBenet had no say in the matter. I believe JonBenet went along with it becaue she knew it pleased her mother.

What sealed it for me was what Patsy told Kristine Griffin..."All JonBenet ever wanted was to win a trophy like yours."

 

[FrankieB]

This thread posed a very interesting question in the opening post, I was looking forward to reading it until I realized it had spiraled into 4 pages of Peoples' opinions on Child Pageants, thus the actual question the thread posed was completely ignored.

I would like to ask the same question, what was Jonbenét like?

I've read a few different stories. Singularity pointed out she was assertive and could even boss adults around.

John Ramsey said she would have grown up into "a handful"

The OP of this thread read she was bratty

I personally read somewhere (and I honestly can't remember where) that she was taught to be humble and considerate to others despite being very wealthy. Money can certainly get to anyone's head.


I've also read Patsy describing her as "deeply spiritual"

It will be very interesting to see Burke describe what she was like on Dr. Phil

 

[eileenhawkeye]

John said in an interview with the Newsum that he was scared JonBenet would run off to Hollywood.
What in the world. She was 6. That makes it sound like she's a rebellious teenager.