Josh Duggar charged with Receipt/Possession Child Sexual Abuse Material, 29 April 2021 *guilty* #3

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So, from my understanding, Covenant Eyes gathers screenshots of the user's web histories and these screenshots are analyzed by AI to screen for any viewing 🤬🤬🤬🤬/general unapproved websites (this includes Reddit), and the data is sent to the user's "accountability buddy" which, in most instances (like this one), is the wife.
IMO there are women out there who wouldn't have the tech savvy to do this. I'm not saying this to disparage women, only because I sympathize with how sheltered some are and how few tools they have to get knowledge.
 
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Live updates from Josh Duggar child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 trial after Anna seen at court


Above is link to Sun following the trial.
Don't forget also that 1 of his 5 molestation victims from the early 2000s was a family friend/babysitter, so molestation of minor sisters, plus unrelated minor, plus CSAM charges. Makes me sick.

So far it has been reported that Anna won't allow CPS to question their kids for suspected abuse. (Court May Force Anna Duggar’s Hand On Examining Her Children and other sources). I wonder if they will legally be able to now without her permission.


Maybe one of our lawyers can answer this questions?
Can Anna be forced to have her children question by CPS in relation to this case! Now that he is convicted?
 
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I agree that this is going to be very hard on Anna and the kids but I hope they put him very far away. His little children don’t need to be visiting anyone in a prison, much less a child molester. MOO

I agree. Especially considering there is IMO a high probability of his kids being victimized by him.

Even if, God willing, his children were not victims, there is no need for them to visit their pedophile father in prison. I am sure either way it will be very, very difficult for the kids (who are my concern here. I do not have positive opinions of Anna at all after following the family very closely for a long, long time), and I hope they can get the help they need.

There are great books and other resources for children of the incarcerated that Anna can look into.
 
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One less sex offender on the street today. I hope all of his victims can begin to move forward and achieve some form of peace and the beginnings of closure. I also hope his 7 children receive proper mental health counseling and support in the coming years instead of being left out in the cold while the family and church rugsweep and minimize as they have for decades.

Jailing Josh is a good first step, but that whole dysfunctional family/church system that raised and protected him needs a serious overhaul. imo
 
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IMO there are women out there who wouldn't have the tech savvy to do this. I'm not saying this to disparage women, only because I sympathize with how sheltered some are and how few tools they have to get knowledge.

I don't disagree that there are a lot of people out there (not just women) who don't have tech savvy (I am one such woman, lol), but I am certain Anna would know how to use Covenant Eyes. Covenant Eyes is installed in computers in the homes of lot of fundamentalist families to monitor what the children are doing. They all know how to use it. The Duggars use Covenant Eyes. I believe Anna's family of origin uses it as well.
 
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IMO there are women out there who wouldn't have the tech savvy to do this. I'm not saying this to disparage women, only because I sympathize with how sheltered some are and how few tools they have to get knowledge.
Given that Anna easily figured out how to upload pictures and videos to Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram I'm sure she can figure out how to open email reports from Covenant Eyes. She also has the entire world wide web sitting in her hand 24 hours a day. If she wanted to get knowledge there is nothing to stop her. jmo
 
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I am not at all trying to backseat moderate here (or whatever the expression is - coffee hasn't kicked in yet), but I think we should stick to talking about the trial and related topics instead of the validity or lack thereof of Romeo and Juliet laws etc.
 
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<modsnip: quoted post removed>I don't know whether this conviction triggers any CPS type ability to question or do some kind of check on the children. Curious about that. Maybe Gitana or someone knows?

My understanding is that to date Anna & Josh have refused to allow questioning of the children by CPS or Arkansas equivalent. This makes me assume there was no statutory basis to intervene so it was a voluntary ask. I was surprised by that-that there wouldn't be some kind of jurisdiction given the charges. But I can also see that until convicted he wasn't an "offender". But now he clearly is so does that indicate his children will be subject to some kind of intervention by the state? That's been really bothering me. His children.
 
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I don't know whether this conviction triggers any CPS type ability to question or do some kind of check on the children. Curious about that. Maybe Gitana or someone knows?

My understanding is that to date Anna & Josh have refused to allow questioning of the children by CPS or Arkansas equivalent. This makes me assume there was no statutory basis to intervene so it was a voluntary ask. I was surprised by that-that there wouldn't be some kind of jurisdiction given the charges. But I can also see that until convicted he wasn't an "offender". But now he clearly is so does that indicate his children will be subject to some kind of intervention by the state? That's been really bothering me. His children.

Paging @gitana1 , do you have any input on this?

I would guess it was because he was not yet convicted, but now that he is they might be able to. But I have no actual basis for that, it's just my suspicions.

I am really, really scared for his children and what may have happened to them, or even just what they know about.
 
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Now that he has been found guilty, I wonder if there is concern over the safety of his children prior to the charges and subsequent bond stipulation that he only have supervised contact with them? The molestation of his minor sisters and CP charges are the only publicly known instances of him being caught/accused. Likely there is more and I don't think it's a big leap to think that he may have harmed his own children. Does anyone know if that has likely already been investigated or if that will be re-looked at now that he's convicted? I've seen a few unofficial statements/sources, but don't recall and can't find anything citable.

I just made a similar post before seeing yours. I've been so concerned about his kids. I was kind of astounded there had been no basis for mandatory intervention until now given his charges, history etc. I just feel, IMO, that he has been "offending" all along in all kinds of ways.
 
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Thank goodness!
 
  • #293
Why? Why should two teenagers in love be sent to jail for life?

The adult who had sex with the underage child victim is the only one who broke the law. He can’t ignore the law just because he doesn’t like it.
 
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I've hesitated to comment on this thread because it's an incredibly emotionally charged subject and I disagree with much of the characterization of the Duggar's and their religion. (I'm not part of their religion.) However, I just couldn't help but add my two cents on this day:

I'm very relieved that Josh was found guilty, because I believe it's pretty obvious to anyone (who wishes to know) that he is. I've seen many, many people in this world, Christians, atheists, and people of every stripe who, deep down, don't want to know the horror that is the reality of a person in their life who they love and trust. It can be devastating, and some people just can't face it. I've experienced the phenomenon "up close and personal" and it's incredibly disappointing for the people who do see it, because we are hurt as well, but choose the truth. Truth is hard.

Secondly, I was struck by the smugness of Josh and, really, the "happy faces" of both he and Anna at times on their way to/from the courthouse on many occasions. Were he not guilty, or even if Anna believed firmly in his innocence, these charges are nothing to smile about. If I were charged with such horrific acts, I wouldn't think of smiling. How does one smile in the face of child rape, abuse, and torture? It's about the worst charge one can face in this life, innocent or not. What about the fact the SOMEONE did download that horror? What about those innocent victims? Those destroyed lives. How, again, does one smile?

Okay, back to reading.
 
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The adult who had sex with the underage child is the only one who should go to jail.
Isn't 16 the age of consent in some of the US anyway?

Anyway, I'm glad Josh has been found guilty!
 
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I am just going to leave this here as a resource in case anyone may need it: here are some lists of book recommendations for children of the incarcerated, or children in related situations.

New Hampshire Department of Corrections: List of Books for Children of Incarcerated Parents, The Family Connections Center, New Hampshire Department of Corrections
State of Opportunity: 6 books for kids with parents behind bars
Little Parachutes: Little Parachutes • children's picture books about
Rutgers University: Books & Films – The National Resource Center on Children and Families of the Incarcerated

Literature is a powerful tool to use with children and can help parents/guardians connect with and teach their children as well as improve their reading and writing skills. Reading age-appropriate books with children about their unique circumstances can help them come to terms with their situation and be able to verbalize and write about their feelings and emotions and help them with the beginning phases of working through their related traumas. JMO MOO etc.
 
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<modsnip> The Bible is filled with warnings that what is done in secret will be found out. I'm very relieved Josh has been found guilty.

Now for my unpopular opinion. I do feel terrible for Anna. I know she's stood by him, she's blamed others, and so on, but I can't help it. This is not what she thought she was getting in a husband. I believe she was convinced that what he'd done to his sisters and the babysitter was teenage temptation and milder than what he'd actually done to them.
I mean, this is a family who were taught "Nike," to look down at their feet when a girl walked by that might give them evil thoughts. I don't think she was equipped to deal with the secret, actual Josh.

My heart breaks for his children. In all ways. Jim Bob had better provide for them now since he provided a husband for Anna when he already knew Josh had done sickening things.

JMO.
 
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If I were a juror listening again to that interview, JD's voluntarily offered statement "I'm not denying guilt" would be ringing in my ears, and extremely hard to get past. Who says that when questioned by police, if they are innocent and unaware of wrongdoing!?!

People tell you who they are, and I feel in Josh's case, he quite literally TOLD the jury he was guilty.

I feel JD was (possibly) inadvertently coached at a very young age into his perversions by witnessing or being shown sexual violence against children. The adviser his parents sent him to, the family friend, after the initial molestation admissions, was later convicted of CSAM charges. Just how long had this family friend had access to JD when he was young? I believe some of this deviance is imprinted by early exposure, and modeled from that point on. I'm not accusing any particular person, but I do think it's no coincidence that "trusted family friends" turned out to be involved in the same form of behavior later emerging as a pattern in JD. Children get warped quite often by what they see and learn while too young to properly process the experiences.

I'm also wondering if JD's Ashley Madison and cheating scandals were actually attempts by JD to NOT act out his desires on children (even his own.) I think these infidelities and addictions could very well have been desperate efforts to keep his pedophilic urges at bay. He may have been desperately trying not to be a monster, which would show some hint of self-consciousness and self-rejection. (But IMOO it was too late and too misguided; he was already a monster.) The fact that he was accused by one of the AM women of a violent assault says to me that violence in sexual expression is one of his secret needs, which he may have been trying to spare Anna in his mind by looking elsewhere.

If this post breaks rules, I apologize. Please leave in the parts that don't. All of this is MOO, and just me trying to understand the things that shape human behavior. With compassion and a sense of tragedy for all involved, and sadness (with anger) for the brutal systems and schemes that people continue to adhere to at the expense of children. As long as these systems persist, there will always be a market, unfortunately, for CSAM.

I hope that Josh is found guilty on both counts, given max sentences, forced to register, and never sees his children again. I also pray that Anna will find her way out of her own chains, if not for herself, then for her kids. These things have a way of repeating through generations, and I fervently hope Anna will stop the buck in time, if it's not already too late.

Great post!

I try to learn as much as I can about these perverts but it turns out much more complicated than I thought when I first started researching. Pedophilia is a diagnosis that has to do with exclusive attraction to children. I have a feeling he is not exclusively attracted to children. I think he may be attracted also to sexual violence, domination and destruction of innocence. So mostly children but he probably also accesses adult 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, showing women being abused and degraded. But that’s not illegal so they have no reason to show that if that was found.

In any event, he’s a child molester and a danger to children. And how that comes to be is an interesting issue for me. For most of us I imagine as crimes are something that we seek to understand and prevent.

IMO, the environment in general in which he was raised is one riddled with predators. Besides Gothard and the state police officer now serving 56 years for CSAM, there is also good Duggar friend Doug Phillips, Vision Forum founder, who was accused of sexual harassment and assault of a young “mother’s helper” who moved in with his family at age 15.

Sadly, tons of research shows that child abuse of all kinds, sexual assault, and domestic violence is pervasive in fundamental, religious patriarchies. All kinds. So these types of things occur at higher rates in such communities due to literal or legalistic approaches to religion that create gender and age inequities. Women and children are seen as needing to blindly obey their male authority and as almost property of such authority.

We find these attitudes and the resultant abuses in strict Islamic cultures, Ultra Orthodox Judaism, fundamentalist Mormons and various fundamentalist Christian sects.

I do believe it is possible he was exposed to child sexual abuse or sexual assault of females as a young person. But I also think that it’s the attitudes about the value and rights, or lack thereof, of children and women, as well as the attitudes about the supremacy of males, that enables certain abuses and the desire to abuse to escalate in certain communities. Especially when you add in super repressive attitudes about purity and pollution, expecting adolescents and young adults to repress all sexual feelings, to not even masturbate, as indulging in any of that is sinful, and requiring this in an environment in which there’s an almost hyper sexuality and obsession with sex (constantly discussing it as taboo but then married couples displaying a lot of sexual attraction in front of others, parents making their reproductive cycles known to the whole family, etc.) it’s like a tinder box.

Add in any accidental head injuries among children/teens in a group, physical abuse of a child, etc., as well as a total rejection of psychology as a means to help people with issues, and the chances of such a creature being created increase.
 
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I just made a similar post before seeing yours. I've been so concerned about his kids. I was kind of astounded there had been no basis for mandatory intervention until now given his charges, history etc. I just feel, IMO, that he has been "offending" all along in all kinds of ways.


Sad part to me is that even with their Dad out of the picture their still with the same ppl that believe he’s innocent. If they had been abused and nothing is said then it was ok.

Jmo

O/t
The 2 sisters I know about didn’t tell, it was their cousin who spent the night and he entered the room. She told her GM the next day.

He’s in for life.
 
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