Josh Duggar charged with Receipt/Possession Child Sexual Abuse Material, 29 April 2021 *guilty* #3

[Ruminations]

They never do. To this day they minimize his molestation of his sisters and flat out lie about what they know happened. And their statements show it’s likely they believe he’s innocent of his conviction.

Agree and disagree. As Bobye pointed out, you don’t forget information like Josh’s “confessions.” (Or possible ignored requests for help?)

But Jim Bob doesn’t recall. After the conviction, he called it a situation. He claimed to respect the legal process, but not enough to testify credibly. And he wants to legislate?

In his campaign materials he says opponents say he shouldn’t run just because his family has faced problems. True. Having more kids than you can supervise, feed or provide medical care is a problem, and the government could have helped you.

Blaming and gaslighting your daughters, and possibly ignoring your son’s cries for help, is hardly “facing problems.” It is running away from problems is a very harmful way.

I don’t think Jim Bob thinks his son is innocent, because he probably would have asserted that he believes his son is innocent and he is glad he is appealing, rather than calling his son’s conviction a “situation” or claim that his family has “faced problems.”

PS: @CharlestonGal , who pointed out the word “situation” first,

Do they really say “Oy,” in Charleston? Are you sure it’s not “”Oy, y’all?”

 

[Cool Cats]

My personal guess is that he is probably not a pedophile in the strictest sense of the word in that I don't think he is exclusively attracted to prepubescent children. He was reported as having both CSAM and violent adult . It wouldn't surprise me if his primary attraction is to people being hurt, regardless of age.

That being said, I really don't want to read descriptions of what he was looking at. I read enough back in the spring when he was arrested to have nausea for days. So, I don't appreciate when articles or discussions slip it in without warning. It's not really fair to other people who stumble across it unwittingly IMO.

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He was reported as having both CSAM and violent adult .

Are there any links that report he was into violent adult ? I never read that. It was reported he had a addiction.

 

[OhioBlues]

His predilection May not have been but the response was due to their sect. It was textbook how their sect advised as to how to handle this kind of thing (IMO, based on what I have seen).

Also, again, this kind of thing occurs more often in strict, religious patriarchies. The environment seems to be a tinder box for sexual dysfunction and abuse of all kinds, against women and children.

I don't know how 'sect' would be relevant.

Child sexual abuse happens and is normally 'hidden' regardless of religion. MOO.

 

[Ruminations]

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Then why drop a $500,000 lawsuit?

Because....

Josh proved he wasn't with her. False allegations.

Well, those allegations would be slam-dunk defamation if they were not true. Apparently, the sides hit some kind of legal stalemate. But the sex worker’s allegations have to have been true enough that she was not sued for a false allegation.

I believe the “rough contours” pun intended.

MOO

 

[JayWill]

I don't know how 'sect' would be relevant.

Child sexual abuse happens and is normally 'hidden' regardless of religion. MOO.

The sect is relevant because it blames girls for the sexual abuse. And blames women if their husbands stray, for not being always available to them. IMO

 

[Cool Cats]

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Well, those allegations would be slam-dunk defamation if they were not true. Apparently, the sides hit some kind of legal stalemate. But the sex worker’s allegations have to have been true enough that she was not sued for a false allegation.

I believe the “rough contours” pun intended.

MOO

I don't think JB would have wanted to sue for false allegations. Expensive Messy court proceedings, bad publicity. Not worth it.

Just her dropping it was vindication enough. Good press about it from Josh's lawyers.

 

[RickshawFan]

Sex Offender Treatment=as @CharlestonGal so eloquently expressed "may as well teach Latin to goats.".

Pretty much. The only remorse that they feel is the fact that they were caught.

Which, INMO, makes them far more dangerous when they are released. They have learned how to do things stealthily.

My personal wish is that Anna Duggar would divorce Josh, and start court proceedings to terminate all parental rights. She would be granted that in a heartbeat.

Not unlike Jared Fogle's ex wife.
Jared Fogle's wife finalizes divorce, bans him from seeing children | Daily Mail Online

Interesting.... the length of JF's sentence, and the fact that he pled guilty. 15+ years.

This doesn't bode well for Josh, IMO.

Also, JF is famous, arguably more well-know than the Duggars. This calls out the lie that Josh was targeted simply because he's got the Duggar name.

 

[RickshawFan]

The sect is relevant because it blames girls for the sexual abuse. And blames women if their husbands stray, for not being always available to them. IMO

Are you meaning the Duggar family has this paradigm for the relationships between men and women? My understanding is they are Christian evangelicals. I guess I didn't think of this as a sect, since it's kind of a big group.

 

[Tutter]

They tried to stop the behavior by teaching the girls to change their behavior. They did not get counselling for him. They got other church members to speak to him, not a counsellor trained in child sexual abusers.
And the five year old told on him immediately. It would have hurt her and she could quite likely have had bleeding.
He penetrated her vagina, not just touched her.
I am sorry to be graphic.
MOO.

I don’t think they ever told her what really happened to her. IMO she found out when we did last week in court.

btw they sent Josh to their policeman friend for ‘counseling’ at 15 I think. That policeman is now serving time for csam.
Retired Trooper Sentenced To 56 Years

I do have to include that perhaps Josh suffered some things we are not aware of due to the many sex offenders in this cult. That is my opinion only, but it is certainly plausible. It doesn’t excuse him of course, but it may be part of the why. Moo.

 

[RickshawFan]

I was looking for something else and found a mother-lode of information on sentencing for Federal cases, courtesy of the Government. 2020, no less!
BOP: Sentence Computations

 

[JayWill]

Are you meaning the Duggar family has this paradigm for the relationships between men and women? I guess I didn't realize the family is a sect. Where would I find that info (per TOS) so I understand what is being said here?

Yes, I do believe the Duggars have these attitudes to relationships and the place of women. Note that now Josh is in jail, the church will supply her with a head of household to tell her what to do.
Note also that the little girls were given lessons in modesty, in response to their brother's sexual assaults, although how you sleep 'modestly' is a mystery to me.
And I believe it is a sect, you may not.

 

[Jax49]

Yes, I do believe the Duggars have these attitudes to relationships and the place of women. Note that now Josh is in jail, the church will supply her with a head of household to tell her what to do.
Note also that the little girls were given lessons in modesty, in response to their brother's sexual assaults, although how you sleep 'modestly' is a mystery to me.
And I believe it is a sect, you may not.

bbm

IIRC, the girls were told to dress in multiple layers for sleep. SMDH

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes, I do believe the Duggars have these attitudes to relationships and the place of women. Note that now Josh is in jail, the church will supply her with a head of household to tell her what to do.
Note also that the little girls were given lessons in modesty, in response to their brother's sexual assaults, although how you sleep 'modestly' is a mystery to me.
And I believe it is a sect, you may not.

The church doesn't need to supply her with a head of household.
Josh isn't dead. He can still tell her what to do and Jim Bob just said in the media they are looking out for Anna.

Josh and Anna can still communicate.

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[Friday Fan]

I feel bad for Anna. I would like to think that she could move back with her family and/or get them to help.

It would be great if she could get away from Jim Bob.

I sure hope there isn't a new TLC "Prison Wives" series...ugh...

 

[nyvictoria]

I feel bad for Anna. I would like to think that she could move back with her family and/or get them to help.

It would be great if she could get away from Jim Bob.

I sure hope there isn't a new TLC "Prison Wives" series...ugh... I

I don’t think we have to worry about a new series. TLC has likely had just about enough of the Duggars.

 

[JayWill]

The church doesn't need to supply her with a head of household.
Josh isn't dead. He can still tell her what to do and Jim Bob just said in the media they are looking out for Anna.

Josh and Anna can still communicate.

Schedule Detainee Visitation | Washington County, AR
The Washington County Detention Center provides two methods for detainee visitation. The first method is free and is from a visitation kiosk in the lobby of the detention center. The second is a remote visitation that can be done from any computer with a camera, microphone, and internet connection (fees will apply). To make a reservation for either method go to www.jailatm.com.

..How nice that she can visit her sex offender husband in jail. Would this creep be allowed internet connections?

 

[Friday Fan]

Jim Bob just said in the media they are looking out for Anna.

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Sounds like an arranged marriage. Many times, the daughter in law is treated like a servant, especially if something happens to the husband

 

[mickey2942]

Sounds like an arranged marriage. Many times, the daughter in law is treated like a servant, especially if something happens to the husband

Great. She gets free place to live, (the shed), clothes (hand me downs), a car (some old clunker), food, (tater tot casseroles), and no money. Probably told she gets "everything paid for", so why does she need money?

Anna was brought up to accept this. And just pray more if she feels unhappy.

 

[JayWill]

QUOTE:

He was reported as having both CSAM and violent adult .

Are there any links that report he was into violent adult ? I never read that. It was reported he had a addiction.

Why would you think that he wasn't into that? He was into sexual torture of babies, but not into violent ? Sexual torture of babies is violent .

 

[Springrain]

Sounds like an arranged marriage. Many times, the daughter in law is treated like a servant, especially if something happens to the husband

It basically was. After the molestation news had come to light in IBLP circles (soon after they happened), it was a lot harder for the Duggars to marry off their kids in organic marriages to other IBLP kids, so they had to find families that were eager enough to escape certain situations (in Anna's case, she came from a background of poverty and possible neglect) and/or be connected to the Duggars in a tangible way. Anna's family of origin was OK with her marrying Josh Duggar in large part because of the financial stability, and maybe the relative fame, that marrying Josh would bring her.

If Josh's molestation scandals had never come to light in IBLP circles in the mid 2000s, Anna and Josh probably would have never married.