Josh Duggar charged with Receipt/Possession Child Sexual Abuse Material, 29 April 2021 *guilty* #3

[mickey2942]

Clothes: Must wear black frumper and cover head at all times
Car: Forget that. Jim Bob will drive her to visit Josh in prison.
Food: She will cook for the in-laws. It's all about the Duggars...

Sigh. There isn't enough medication that would make me do that routine.

The Duggars once discussed "chastity", that a girl who slept with more than one man is like a "used spit cup". That is what Anna probably thinks. She has to stay married, "for better and for worse". She has had the "worse" for years.

 

[JayWill]

Sigh. There isn't enough medication that would make me do that routine.

The Duggars once discussed "chastity", that a girl who slept with more than one man is like a "used spit cup". That is what Anna probably thinks. She has to stay married, "for better and for worse". She has had the "worse" for years.

That is disgusting. Meanwhile their son was putting it out everywhere. And I will not believe that he did not have it with some underaged girls, whose families were paid off.

 

[Friday Fan]

Sigh. There isn't enough medication that would make me do that routine.

The Duggars once discussed "chastity", that a girl who slept with more than one man is like a "used spit cup". That is what Anna probably thinks. She has to stay married, "for better and for worse". She has had the "worse" for years.

Unfortunately, it's like this in many developing countries.

 

[Friday Fan]

From a few months ago:

Jim Bob & Michelle Duggar drop $160K to expand compound by 29 acres after son Josh arrested on child charges


JIM Bob and Michelle Duggar have dropped $160,000 to expand their Arkansas compound by 29 acres after their son Josh was arrested on child charges.

The Arkansas Warranty Deed exclusively obtained by The Sun reveals Jim Bob and Michelle purchased 29 acres of land for $160,000 on May 18, 2021.
The land is directly next to their compound, which has been featured on the family’s reality show Counting On.

Jim Bob and Michelle's compound was 77 acres of land before the sale went through.

The sale is the latest addition to Jim Bob’s real estate empire worth $4.4m.

Jim Bob, 55, and Michelle, 53, first purchased 20 acres of land in March 2000 for $300,000.


They purchased additional parcels of land in September 2014 for $400,000.

All together, Jim Bob and Michelle own 13 plots of land, four homes and three commercial buildings.........

"Those who have rebelled against the family think it's disgusting he's pulling out all the stops for him years after he was forgiven for molesting his own sisters.



Jim Bob & Michelle pay $160K to expand compound after Josh's child bust

 

[Shamrock1]

Sigh. There isn't enough medication that would make me do that routine.

The Duggars once discussed "chastity", that a girl who slept with more than one man is like a "used spit cup". That is what Anna probably thinks. She has to stay married, "for better and for worse". She has had the "worse" for years.

There’s the bubble gum analogy, too. It gets less sticky (able to truly bond) the more is it chewed. I remember an adult Elizabeth Smart reflecting on how harmful these lessons were to her as a teenager. A cup full of spit, a chewed up piece of gum. These are the metaphors used to teach kids about sex

 

[RickshawFan]

Sounds like an arranged marriage. Many times, the daughter in law is treated like a servant, especially if something happens to the husband

I have known many very successful arranged marriages where husbands treat their wives as partners. IME
The problem for me with Jim Bob’s words is that “looking out for” is in the eyes of the beholder. And since Josh’s trial was “grievous” to him and Michelle, a personal affront, I guess, to me this doesn’t represent a very promising attitude. If he described Josh’s behavior as grievous, I would feel more confident that he was in a real place to offer comfort and care to Anna.

Related: Did Jim Bob’s use of “grievous” strike any one else as revealing? We often use it in this format: “He made a grievous error”. But Jim Bob says, “the entire ordeal…has been very grievous”. This has an odd resonance to me. It sounds grandiose, as though he and his wife have been visited with a civilization-consuming great plague. ( Maybe biblical-scale victimhood is where he got the language?) He might otherwise have said that they grieve because their son takes pleasure in child torture, and it has been very painful to process.
Anyway, the usage got my attention.

Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar call son's child trial, conviction a "grievous" ordeal

 

[RickshawFan]

The church doesn't need to supply her with a head of household.
Josh isn't dead. He can still tell her what to do and Jim Bob just said in the media they are looking out for Anna.

Josh and Anna can still communicate.

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That’s Josh’s temporary location, though. After he’s sentenced, he goes to Federal prison. That’s a whole ‘nother matter. Some folks in jail are waiting trial, some have short sentences, some just can’t bond out: those jails have more liberal communication policies. We ran into this in the Arias trial, where she was in jail for years awaiting trial and made all kinds of video calls; in prison, there’s barely a peep.

 

[RickshawFan]

Unfortunately, it's like this in many developing countries.

Let’s not go there, please? IMO the problem here is a behavior practice in the US, e.g. this case, with this family. IME Developing countries have a whole range of cultural practices, just like the US.

 

[Friday Fan]

I have known many very successful arranged marriages where husbands treat their wives as partners. IME
The problem for me with Jim Bob’s words is that “looking out for” is in the eyes of the beholder. And since Josh’s trial was “grievous” to him and Michelle, a personal affront, I guess, to me this doesn’t represent a very promising attitude. If he described Josh’s behavior as grievous, I would feel more confident that he was in a real place to offer comfort and care to Anna.

Related: Did Jim Bob’s use of “grievous” strike any one else as revealing? We often use it in this format: “He made a grievous error”. But Jim Bob says, “the entire ordeal…has been very grievous”. This has an odd resonance to me. It sounds grandiose, as though he and his wife have been visited with a civilization-consuming great plague. ( Maybe biblical-scale victimhood is where he got the language?) He might otherwise have said that they grieve because their son takes pleasure in child torture, and it has been very painful to process.
Anyway, the usage got my attention.

Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar call son's child trial, conviction a "grievous" ordeal

I got the impression from watching 14 Kids and Counting that their approach to parenting was very utilitarian. As soon as a child was weaned, they were assigned to a buddy. I don't have a problem with children being assigned chores and helping with parenting. But, I got the impression that kids weren't allowed to be kids. It seemed to be all about the family unit and the child's contribution to the family.

Hence, I feel like this will be the case with Anna. It will be about her contribution to the Duggars and not about her needs as a single parent.

 

[RickshawFan]

I got the impression from watching 14 Kids and Counting that their approach to parenting was very utilitarian. As soon as a child was weaned, they were assigned to a buddy. I don't have a problem with children being assigned chores and helping with parenting. But, I got the impression that kids weren't allowed to be kids. It seemed to be all about the family unit and the child's contribution to the family.

Hence, I feel like this will be the case with Anna. It will be about her contribution to the Duggars and not about her needs as a single parent.

This seems very likely.

Do the Duggars get along with Anna’s parents? IMO it could get really bad for Anna if they don’t.

 

[mickey2942]

This seems very likely.

Do the Duggars get along with Anna’s parents? IMO it could get really bad for Anna if they don’t.

We don't know. Relationships change. Anna has a steep hill to climb now. Support will be crucial for her.

 

[Cool Cats]

I feel bad for Anna. I would like to think that she could move back with her family and/or get them to help.

It would be great if she could get away from Jim Bob.

I sure hope there isn't a new TLC "Prison Wives" series...ugh...

She is better off staying where she is financially speaking. Jim Bob sets her up with housing, real estate, and gives her business LLC's in her name to run. At least a few.

She also has a heavy network of Duggar family in the area to help her out with being a single mother of 7. A dozen of brother and sister-in-laws and the grandparents.

I imagine those Duggar guys stepping in doing the household and yard chores Josh used to do, and the sister-in-laws inviting and including her kids in family activities and babysitting so she can visit Josh and do other things.

 

[gitana1]

Interesting.... the length of JF's sentence, and the fact that he pled guilty. 15+ years.

This doesn't bode well for Josh, IMO.

Also, JF is famous, arguably more well-know than the Duggars. This calls out the lie that Josh was targeted simply because he's got the Duggar name.

Fogle was also charged with traveling interstate to molest a child. So I’m thinking Josh’s sentence will be lower than his.

 

[Friday Fan]

She is better off staying where she is financially speaking. Jim Bob sets her up with housing, real estate, and gives her business LLC's in her name to run. At least a few.

She also has a heavy network of Duggar family in the area to help her out with being a single mother of 7. A dozen of brother and sister-in-laws and the grandparents.

I imagine those Duggar guys stepping in doing the household and yard chores Josh used to do. The sister-in-law's including her kids in family activities and babysitting so she can visit Josh and do other things.

I don't trust the situation. Maybe they will, but I get the impression they value what she can contribute them and not the other way around.

 

[Cool Cats]

I don't trust the situation. Maybe they will, but I get the impression they value what she can contribute them and not the other way around.

They are the ones who want to keep her happy.

She has already contributed what they want.

What she has always contributed to them is staying loyal to Josh. Not divorcing him, giving Josh a family life.

They will want her to stay with him and stay supportive of him.

This is what she does for them. In turn, they support her.

Thanks to her not divorcing him, they got to do the TV show Counting On. I think a divorce would have been too much scandal for them to stay on TV.

She made Josh look good. Well, as good as he could look.

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[gitana1]

Are you meaning the Duggar family has this paradigm for the relationships between men and women? My understanding is they are Christian evangelicals. I guess I didn't think of this as a sect, since it's kind of a big group.

They are Independent Fundamentalist Baptist members of ATI/IBLP, crossover with Quiverfull. Not evangelical.

ATI/IBLP is a ministry started by sexual harasser Bill Gothard. It outlines teachings that members tend to follow such as how women should wear their hair (wavy and long) makeup, clothes (modesty), how to address and cope with abuse, including sexual abuse, domestic violence, etc., adoption, whether women should work, if so, what capacity, education, their own paramilitary group, etc. (IMO, based on years of research).

The Duggars were highly involved when their kids were growing up. Some of the second generation seems a bit less so. The Bates family is also heavily involved.

It’s very specific.

 

[Simply Southern]

I have known many very successful arranged marriages where husbands treat their wives as partners. IME
The problem for me with Jim Bob’s words is that “looking out for” is in the eyes of the beholder. And since Josh’s trial was “grievous” to him and Michelle, a personal affront, I guess, to me this doesn’t represent a very promising attitude. If he described Josh’s behavior as grievous, I would feel more confident that he was in a real place to offer comfort and care to Anna.

Related: Did Jim Bob’s use of “grievous” strike any one else as revealing? We often use it in this format: “He made a grievous error”. But Jim Bob says, “the entire ordeal…has been very grievous”. This has an odd resonance to me. It sounds grandiose, as though he and his wife have been visited with a civilization-consuming great plague. ( Maybe biblical-scale victimhood is where he got the language?) He might otherwise have said that they grieve because their son takes pleasure in child torture, and it has been very painful to process.
Anyway, the usage got my attention.

Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar call son's child trial, conviction a "grievous" ordeal

I had a different perspective. Having seen friends and associates suffer/grieve knowing their child is guilty, will spend many, many years incarcerated, lose their family, destroyed the rest years of their life and hurt another. Many have regrets from not taking the proper action, discipline which lead to more severe charge. It doesn't mean they stopped loving them, or feeling the pain for them.

I know I would love my immediate family, regardless of the crime. Loving and suffering for them, does not mean the crime is condoned. It must be hard in any parent to know your child is capable of such horrific acts.

I know JD is guilty, I do blame the parents for protecting him.

I always hear, karma wins in the end. The father may not have defended the girls but Karma insured JB got his due.

All my opinion ....

 

[Doghairrules]

bbm

IIRC, the girls were told to dress in multiple layers for sleep. SMDH

And weren't they also locked in at night?

From Jill and Jessa's interview:

Josh Duggar Was Just "A Little Too Curious About Girls," Sisters Say

And also this from Jessa. I wonder if she really didn't know the truth.

"He was a boy, a young boy in puberty and a little too curious about girls. And that got him into some trouble," she added. "And he made some bad choices, but really, the extent of it was mild, inappropriate touching, on fully clothed victims, most of it while girls were sleeping."

 

[Cool Cats]

And weren't they also locked in at night?

From Jill and Jessa's interview:

Josh Duggar Was Just "A Little Too Curious About Girls," Sisters Say

And also this from Jessa. I wonder if she really didn't know the truth.

"He was a boy, a young boy in puberty and a little too curious about girls. And that got him into some trouble," she added. "And he made some bad choices, but really, the extent of it was mild, inappropriate touching, on fully clothed victims, most of it while girls were sleeping."

Yes the bedroom doors were locked:

Duggar parents placed locks on bedroom doors after fondling

In the wake of the incidents, the sisters said the parents restricted the children from playing games like hide and seek and placed locks on bedrooms where the girls and boys slept.

I also remember reading that they deliberately designed their new house so that the boys would have to go through the parent's bedroom to get to the girl's room. Parent's room in the middle.

 

[Cool Cats]

Pretty significant, they are the only ones, so far, who have come straight out specifically and said basically that Josh is guilty. Not buying into the argument that he was set up.

Joy-Anna Duggar and Austin Forsyth on Josh Duggar Conviction: 'We Agree' with Guilty Verdict

"Over this last year, as you can imagine, there have been a lot of unanswered questions in our minds regarding Josh," their statement, posted to each of their Instagram Stories, read. "We were able to sit through the trial to hear the evidence for ourselves."

"We agree with the judicial system's verdict and we are thankful for the men and women who work tirelessly to protect children and help prevent child sexual abuse material," it continued. "Our hearts break for all CSAM victims."

"We are praying for Anna and her children," the couple concluded.