Josh Powell's House in WA blows up

[trigger]

I didn't know and just found out. I just saw this on fox news. I'm heart broken. Those poor little boys. :tears:

 

[TxLady2]

One would think that when children say, "Mommy was riding in the trunk", AND, "Mommy took a walk into the desert with Daddy and got lost", that SOMETHING could have been done immediately. Could they not have gone out into the desert where he normally camped and started digging at obvious locations? This all just makes my heart hurt.

Wait!! Did the two boys really say that?? IIRC, the youngest was just two when Susan disappeared, how could he even recall the camping trip, much less details like that? I know that's possible to remember things from that age, but not very likely, IMO. And if so, who did they tell? LE? Susan's parents?
Sorry, not questioning you, I've just never heard this before.

 

[Kimster]

ITA!
But what I was referring to is those who are placing blame ON the visitation supervisor herself.

No one is going to blame the social worker here on Websleuths. If you see any posts of that nature, please alert. But we can discuss the system and hope that by laying out what is broken, we can help fix it.

 

[~n/t~]

Are these the custody hearing photos you all are talking about? He looks worn out, defeated, angry....

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19086889

 

[nursebeeme]

I think this is exactly what happened. It doesn't make it right, though.

Someone yesterday posted that kids should be removed from the home when crimes against a parent have been committed, just until the parents can be cleared. Like Marc Klaas says he volunteered - a polygraph and extreme scrutiny and then the kids can come home. DHS has the power to make it happen, more than any other agency.

amen Kimster!

I sincerely hope that these boys murder can be an impetus to change laws and make new ones.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Wait!! Did the two boys really say that?? IIRC, the youngest was just two when Susan disappeared, how could he even recall the camping trip, much less details like that? I know that's possible to remember things from that age, but not very likely, IMO. And if so, who did they tell? LE? Susan's parents?
Sorry, not questioning you, I've just never heard this before.

I think it was the oldest son who said Mommy was in the trunk.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

No one is going to blame the social worker here on Websleuths. If you see any posts of that nature, please alert. But we can discuss the system and hope that by laying out what is broken, we can help fix it.

I agree the system is broken.

After reading over 900 posts, I do feel disheartened by quite a few.

But, who knows where they were.

Hours of reading.

 

[crystalgenie]

I live in Washington State and have a friend who has reported this one female to CPS multiple times. My friend is adopting the son, who is 6 years old, from this woman.

Unfortunately this leaves an 8 year old in this females custody.

My friend cannot take both because the 8 year old has severe emotional issues of which my friend has the good sense to know she cannot take care of.

How many of you have heard of a diaper rash on an 8 year old that is half way down her thighs and all over her bottom.

I am telling you this because CPS has told my friend that (and I quote) "you don't have to be a good parent, just good enough."

That statement alone tells me how Josh Powell was able to get "supervised" visitation at his home in order to murder his children.

This case is over, I am sorry we say we will never know what happened to Susan Powell.

 

[mamamia54]

Wait!! Did the two boys really say that?? IIRC, the youngest was just two when Susan disappeared, how could he even recall the camping trip, much less details like that? I know that's possible to remember things from that age, but not very likely, IMO. And if so, who did they tell? LE? Susan's parents?
Sorry, not questioning you, I've just never heard this before.

Today one of the family's lawyers said that 7-year-old Braden 'talked about that they went camping and that Mommy was in the trunk. Mom and Dad got out of the car and Mom disappeared.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ls-husband-missing-Utah-woman-young-sons.html

 

[nursebeeme]

"I think there is a whole lot that the police have not shared. They have kept a lot quiet. They have told us over and over again we wish we could tell you what we are doing, but we can't for the sake of the investigation we have to be quiet for now," said Hellewell. "But they have told us When everything comes out people are going to be absolutely shocked."

She also shared her thoughts on how police will continue with the investigation into Susan Cox Powell's disappearance. "I think it's a lot harder with him gone, but I think the police chief said last night, he wasn't cooperating anyway. So they had to do their work without him. So that hasn't really changed. But I fully believe that Josh's father knows what happened and I think there may have been others involved who also know."

"It just seems to me he has got to be involved," Hellwell said about Powell's father, Steve Powell.

http://www.fox13now.com/news/local/...death-of-powell-boys-20120206,0,3577741.story

 

[Mendara]

Just woke up to this news. I am so sad and angry, if he felt guilty about something why not kill himself, why the kids??? My heart aches.

 

[jjenny]

Just woke up to this news. I am so sad and angry, if he felt guilty about something why not kill himself, why the kids??? My heart aches.

Who was going to be upset if he just killed himself except for his relatives? I don't think that's what he was going for.

 

[Kimster]

I live in Washington State and have a friend who has reported this one female to CPS multiple times. My friend is adopting the son, who is 6 years old, from this woman.

Unfortunately this leaves an 8 year old in this females custody.

My friend cannot take both because the 8 year old has severe emotional issues of which my friend has the good sense to know she cannot take care of.

How many of you have heard of a diaper rash on an 8 year old that is half way down her thighs and all over her bottom.

I am telling you this because CPS has told my friend that (and I quote) "you don't have to be a good parent, just good enough."

That statement alone tells me how Josh Powell was able to get "supervised" visitation at his home in order to murder his children.

This case is over, I am sorry we say we will never know what happened to Susan Powell.

I've heard the same thing. One time I was told that it doesn't matter if the parents are on drugs, as long as they don't use them around the kids.

Like there's a way to prove they weren't using around their kids! :banghead: And that was in California.

The issue is big and I have to say that DHS/CPS does NOT have the capacity to rescue all the kids in dangerous situations. But when a murder is involved, I believe we must have some resources.

 

[Kimster]

Who was going to be upset if he just killed himself except for his relatives? I don't think that's what he was going for.

I agree. His target was the Cox family.

 

[sayd]

I think this is exactly what happened. It doesn't make it right, though.

Someone yesterday posted that kids should be removed from the home when crimes against a parent have been committed, just until the parents can be cleared. Like Marc Klaas says he volunteered - a polygraph and extreme scrutiny and then the kids can come home. DHS has the power to make it happen, more than any other agency.

Kimster,

This makes good sense. Very good sense.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Yes ------> he was lying in wait ----> in the home he controlled ---> can't set up an explosion in a supervised visitation center. Hopefully those have metal detectors - pat downs and do not allow even a drink to be brought in ......but at this point, who knows. I had limited (very limited) faith in the supervision departments already, but now - I HAVE NONE.

I can't understand why the 'supervised' visits were not in a neutral location. Now way should they have been in the controllers home until after he was evaluated. I feel badly for the social worker who was just doing her job and was moments from being killed herself. Changes in this policy must be made for the safety of children and the SW's.

MOO

wm

 

[grammaof52000]

omg!! Charles And Braden are now in their Mothers' loving arms and am hoping the Josh is burning in the fires of H... where he belongs
Rest in Peace Susan, Charles, and Braden God's angels

 

[dizzychick]

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=191...ns-killed-in-house-explosion&s_cid=featured-1

and to no ones suprise, Josh's father was not too upset to hear the news. What cha wanna bet he uses this to his advantage. grrrr


there are no words to describe this event. My heart is hurting for those grandparents

 

[TxLady2]

I just caught up on this thread.

I saw Tricia's FB post last night and read here in total shock until I finally fell asleep.

This morning, I still feel numb.

Those poor babies. I'm sure they loved their father and he committed the ultimate betrayal of them. I bet they were so happy to see him yesterday. They ran ahead, probably so excited and happy. And he KILLED THEM!

What a monster!

My heart just bleeds for the Cox family. They fought so hard to keep those boys away from JP. They loved them so much. They were all they had left of their daughter.

My gosh! I can't imagine their pain.

My heart also goes out to the visitation supervisor. What horror she must have went through. I am a bit disheartened about some of the posts here that have placed any amount of blame on this lady.
She was only doing her job.
I can't imagine how she felt when that house exploded knowing those precious boys were inside. I can only hope people will stop judging her.

What a horrible "man" JP was.

He has taken 4 lives and has ruined so many others.

Everyone he has destroyed, those deceased and those trying to live, are in my thoughts and prayers.

I share your sentiments. The blame falls solely on Josh, no one else. I understand that a lot of people think they saw this coming and were fearful for the boys' safety, but in reality... NO ONE could have predicted this would happen and in such a horrible way.
This social worker may not have known all the details of the case, she was just doing her job, as directed by CPS. Had she had any idea what was about to happen, she would not have taken them there. Obviously, she could have been killed as well.
But no matter how shocked and saddened we all are, it is only a fraction of the grief and devastation the Coxes are going through. This is not about us... it's about the loss of two precious, innocent little boys' lives, at the hands of an evil, selfish, monstrous coward. I place the blame entirely on him.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Susan Cox Powell archive, includes the murder/suicide fire pics:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Susan Cox Powell -UT-/

To make room in that album, we moved perv Steve Powell to his own sub-album:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/... Powell- Crimes- Punishment- WebRants- Susan/

Aditionally there are 2 other sub-albums... which also may increase as this progresses.