Judge Orders Bush Administration to Resume Paying for Katrina Housing

[czechmate7]

The people murdering each other are likely robbing and on drugs; that's how they get alot of their money. The crime problem and its sources need to be addressed, not the Welfare program.

But I can bet these are the people living in public housing and are on the Welfare program...I don't think they report the money they are making selling drugs and stealing to the IRS...

 

[Marthatex]

But I can bet these are the people living in public housing and are on the Welfare program...I don't think they report the money they are making selling drugs and stealing to the IRS...

And I'm sure that public housing is real nice, and they just love living there.

Agree, public housing has been a disaster, we certainly have some here; but otherwise are they going to be sleeping on the street?

Shall we throw them all in prison? That costs us a lot too.

Or do we have programs for rehabilitation and job training? I sure don't know the answers; but I don't begrudge people public housing if they are needy.

The FEMA program is a big problem; an article just came out today and I'll try to find it. You do know that FEMA was reorganized and put in with the Dept. of Homeland Security, prior to the hurricane? Many thought this was not a good idea.

And Brownie was a joke. and Bush pretending to play the guitar and make a joke was something else.

He shoulda called me; I can go down there are play piano/keyboard, blues with the mean guys. That's how come i unfortunatley can type so fast.

 

[Marthatex]

JUDGE's ORDER REVEALS FEMA AID SHORTCOMINGS

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16011645/

 

[2sisters]

Will you turn down your Social Security payments and Medicare health care when you're old?

Did you build the roads you drive on, do you never rush to an ER at night and expect service, regardless of your ability to pay right now?

Do you expect the government to set up no emergency plan and training for workers in case a massive Avian Flu Epidemic?

Do you have no State Troopers on your roads to watch for drunk drivers, give tickets?

That's interesting; I enjoy many government services, depend on them and I also pay tons of taxes for them. We we retire, which is soon, Social Security will be part of our retirement, and we will hopefully have Medicare as soon as we turn 65. Our property taxes will be frozen at a certain age because of the GOVERNMENT helping seniors.

The government, yep, there's lots of problems to work out, but I'll take them.

We are the government OF the people, and FOR the people, so help us God, and that's the way our forefathers set it up. They didn't mean extended service on the dole, Ii don't think, unless you have disability, etc.

I was of the understanding that welfare was reformed under Clinton; that you can't stay on the dole for ever.

The people murdering each other are likely robbing and on drugs; that's how they get alot of their money. The crime problem and its sources need to be addressed, not the Welfare program.

Yes I will collect it. Why b/c i have earned it and paid into it since I turned 16, I have worked from the time I was 12 until 3months ago. I also own 2 cars that I pay taxes on and a house that I pay taxes on. All of that goes to school, police, roads etc. I alos pay taxes every time I go to the store I pay sales tax and every time my husband gets paid his embarassingly low teacher salary we lose about 200 dollars. So I think I have earned a ride on the highway. Should the government help seniors? yes, b/c seniors aren't as able bodied and have also paid their dues. Should they keep paying the tab for worthless women who keep popping out babies and others who just don't want to work? No.

 

[Marthatex]

Yes I will collect it. Why b/c i have earned it and paid into it since I turned 16, I have worked from the time I was 12 until 3months ago. I also own 2 cars that I pay taxes on and a house that I pay taxes on. All of that goes to school, police, roads etc. I alos pay taxes every time I go to the store I pay sales tax and every time my husband gets paid his embarassingly low teacher salary we lose about 200 dollars. So I think I have earned a ride on the highway. Should the government help seniors? yes, b/c seniors aren't as able bodied and have also paid their dues. Should they keep paying the tab for worthless women who keep popping out babies and others who just don't want to work? No.

You didn't answer about disasters, like Avian Flu.

Do we just save the ones who are "worthwhile", not "worthless"?

The people in FEMA trailers are people who lost their homes I believe; regardless of whether they were or were not on the dole.

How about answering the question, "Where are they supposed to go?"

Of course we'll take Social Security. My point is THAT IS A GOVERNMENT PROGRAM TAKING CARE OF US. I believe you indicated we shouldn't need govt. for anything.

You didn't pay enough in to get all of what you might get back. It's not the same as an IRA. If you live a long time, you'll probably get alot more back from the Govt. Same with medicare. It's all a tax - and the Govt gives it back unless they throw it away, which could happen.

If you're younger, you should worry. If you're my age, you'll probably get yours.

 

[2sisters]

You didn't answer about disasters, like Avian Flu.

Do we just save the ones who are "worthwhile", not "worthless"?

The people in FEMA trailers are people who lost their homes I believe; regardless of whether they were or were not on the dole.

How about answering the question, "Where are they supposed to go?"

Of course we'll take Social Security. My point is THAT IS A GOVERNMENT PROGRAM TAKING CARE OF US. I believe you indicated we shouldn't need govt. for anything.

You didn't pay enough in to get all of what you might get back. It's not the same as an IRA. If you live a long time, you'll probably get alot more back from the Govt. Same with medicare. It's all a tax - and the Govt gives it back unless they throw it away, which could happen.

If you're younger, you should worry. If you're my age, you'll probably get yours.

No i never said we didn't need the government for anything. i also never said all katrina's homeless are on welfare. i would like the governemtnt orespond to disasters like avian flu but chance are they will bungle it an many will die.

 

[julianne]

Yes I will collect it. Why b/c i have earned it and paid into it since I turned 16, I have worked from the time I was 12 until 3months ago. I also own 2 cars that I pay taxes on and a house that I pay taxes on. All of that goes to school, police, roads etc. I alos pay taxes every time I go to the store I pay sales tax and every time my husband gets paid his embarassingly low teacher salary we lose about 200 dollars. So I think I have earned a ride on the highway. Should the government help seniors? yes, b/c seniors aren't as able bodied and have also paid their dues. Should they keep paying the tab for worthless women who keep popping out babies and others who just don't want to work? No.

No woman is worthless, with the exception of those who murder. What about the mother of 4 kids who thought she was happily married until her husband up and left her, alone to care for her kids? She's certainly not worthless. What about the mother who's husband suddenly dies, leaving her a widow with young children & she wants to continue to stay home raising those young babies as long as she can, because her babies need her more than anything? She is not worthless. Parenting children is the most important job in the world. Your comment surprises me, because I believe you are a woman yourself. A mother yourself. Sure, there are some bad seeds. But many times, life deals you a real shitty hand and takes you down roads you thought you'd never have to travel. I've been lucky that I have always been able to support myself, but that doesn't mean I cast my eyes and thoughts down upon those who have difficulty and declare them "worthless". For I know that in a blink of an eye, things can change your life and put you where you never thought you'd be. My dear friend is a mother to 3 kids. She used to have 4 children, but one died of leukemia at the age of 4 FOUR!!!!! She had to go on public medical aid to pay for all his medical bills. When the docs suggested experimental treatment when all else failed, the insurance wouldn't pay for it because it was deemed experimental. They depleted their savings in a matter of 3 months, with over $25,000 dollars being paid for his treatments before he died. Ripped the family apart. Her husband up and left, couldn't take it. She is now on welfare. She doesn't work because she is deathly terrified of losing another child....emotionally she just can't do it. That's not even taking into account child care issues even if she COULD work. SHE IS NOT WORTHLESS.

I think that alot of the current demise of our world today is mans' inhumanity to man. Or womans' inhumanity to woman.

Compassion is what this world is severly lacking in.

 

[Maral]

No woman is worthless, with the exception of those who murder. What about the mother of 4 kids who thought she was happily married until her husband up and left her, alone to care for her kids? She's certainly not worthless. What about the mother who's husband suddenly dies, leaving her a widow with young children & she wants to continue to stay home raising those young babies as long as she can, because her babies need her more than anything? She is not worthless. Parenting children is the most important job in the world. Your comment surprises me, because I believe you are a woman yourself. A mother yourself. Sure, there are some bad seeds. But many times, life deals you a real shitty hand and takes you down roads you thought you'd never have to travel. I've been lucky that I have always been able to support myself, but that doesn't mean I cast my eyes and thoughts down upon those who have difficulty and declare them "worthless". For I know that in a blink of an eye, things can change your life and put you where you never thought you'd be. My dear friend is a mother to 3 kids. She used to have 4 children, but one died of leukemia at the age of 4 FOUR!!!!! She had to go on public medical aid to pay for all his medical bills. When the docs suggested experimental treatment when all else failed, the insurance wouldn't pay for it because it was deemed experimental. They depleted their savings in a matter of 3 months, with over $25,000 dollars being paid for his treatments before he died. Ripped the family apart. Her husband up and left, couldn't take it. She is now on welfare. She doesn't work because she is deathly terrified of losing another child....emotionally she just can't do it. That's not even taking into account child care issues even if she COULD work. SHE IS NOT WORTHLESS.

I think that alot of the current demise of our world today is mans' inhumanity to man. Or womans' inhumanity to woman.

Compassion is what this world is severly lacking in.

Wonderful post, Julianne.
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[Marthatex]

I agree; wonderful post.
"What the world needs now, is love sweet love..."

I wish George had just sent me down to New Orleans instead of old Brownie; at least I can play the Blues...

"It's just too late, and it's been too long, I'm sooooo tired, cause things have gone wrong....."

 

[2sisters]

There are extenuating circumstance in every womans situation. Are all women worthless? No, i don't think I said that I think too much has been read into a post on here again, it seems everytime someone disagrees on here they read too much into things and get into attack mode and thats fine.

 

[czechmate7]

No woman is worthless, with the exception of those who murder. What about the mother of 4 kids who thought she was happily married until her husband up and left her, alone to care for her kids? She's certainly not worthless. What about the mother who's husband suddenly dies, leaving her a widow with young children & she wants to continue to stay home raising those young babies as long as she can, because her babies need her more than anything? She is not worthless. Parenting children is the most important job in the world. Your comment surprises me, because I believe you are a woman yourself. A mother yourself. Sure, there are some bad seeds. But many times, life deals you a real shitty hand and takes you down roads you thought you'd never have to travel. I've been lucky that I have always been able to support myself, but that doesn't mean I cast my eyes and thoughts down upon those who have difficulty and declare them "worthless". For I know that in a blink of an eye, things can change your life and put you where you never thought you'd be. My dear friend is a mother to 3 kids. She used to have 4 children, but one died of leukemia at the age of 4 FOUR!!!!! She had to go on public medical aid to pay for all his medical bills. When the docs suggested experimental treatment when all else failed, the insurance wouldn't pay for it because it was deemed experimental. They depleted their savings in a matter of 3 months, with over $25,000 dollars being paid for his treatments before he died. Ripped the family apart. Her husband up and left, couldn't take it. She is now on welfare. She doesn't work because she is deathly terrified of losing another child....emotionally she just can't do it. That's not even taking into account child care issues even if she COULD work. SHE IS NOT WORTHLESS.

I think that alot of the current demise of our world today is mans' inhumanity to man. Or womans' inhumanity to woman.

Compassion is what this world is severly lacking in.

I agree...wonderful post.

But, I believe you misunderstood the post. I am a woman. I am a mother. I also understood COMPLETELY what 2sisters meant in her post. She wasn't putting down a woman who was happily married w/ kids and then got divorced, nor was she talking about a woman who was widowed with children. I'm not sure where some posters in here are from, but there are people, women, who have 4 or 5 children before the age of 21...by 2 or 3 different fathers...it happens, it's happening; and these are the individuals who are stuck depending on the government for help. Why have 1, 2, 3 children if you can't afford to? I'm not speaking of people who have unfortunate circumstances happen. It has nothing to do with lack of compassion.
This is very prominant in certain cultures and if you don't live around these cultures I can see how you wouldn't understand.

 

[2sisters]

I agree...wonderful post.

But, I believe you misunderstood the post. I am a woman. I am a mother. I also understood COMPLETELY what 2sisters meant in her post. She wasn't putting down a woman who was happily married w/ kids and then got divorced, nor was she talking about a woman who was widowed with children. I'm not sure where some posters in here are from, but there are people, women, who have 4 or 5 children before the age of 21...by 2 or 3 different fathers...it happens, it's happening; and these are the individuals who are stuck depending on the government for help. Why have 1, 2, 3 children if you can't afford to? I'm not speaking of people who have unfortunate circumstances happen. It has nothing to do with lack of compassion.
This is very prominant in certain cultures and if you don't live around these cultures I can see how you wouldn't understand.

yes, it was completley misunderstood, thank you!

 

[reb]

well obviously there's a happy medium here.. or should be. yes of course our govt should pay for a lot of things, help us out in emergencies, and such. but they are not god.. and they have gotten an entire culture of people hopelessly dependent on them who now have a sense of entitlement and it almost seems as if the govt is "paying them off" to keep them from turning to a life of crime- (although, many welfare recipients are already involved in that obviously).. or to keep them quiet, to keep them happy, or whatever. it's like they're crippled, and the govt- along with their own unwillingness or inability to better their lives- keeps them crippled. on that note, modern mainstream society does make it pretty damn difficult to survive nowadays... then again, i guess i't always been difficult, to some degree.
the point is,, you gotta want it- you've got to want to have some dignity and better yourself. and learning a skill or a trade or getting some kind of education is the key.. but not enough people have the brain power, the mental health, the initiative or desire- OR THE FUNDS- to do that. then again, getting a welfare check and dealing drugs makes far more than working a minimum wage job. it's just a pathetic situation all around... and N.O. is only one example of a U.S. city where this problem has really gotten out of control.
i dunno.... unlike the prevelant thinking of the late 1960's & 70's.. maybe it's a GOOD thing to corral them all into one big place instead of spreading them around amongst the nicer neighborhoods. let's just let them have new orleans-- rebuild the whole city full of high-rise public housing projects & let all the welfare scum & drug and drug dealers live there and suck off the govt. anyone who wants to better their life can move somewhere else. then when katrina II hits.. let 'em drown!!

 

[reb]

btw.... the TRUE fault lies within the people themselves, who willingly stayed in a city that was long considered by leading scientists (& everyone else-) #1 most likely to have a catastrophic disaster hit at any time... and it was long overdue. it's not like the citizens didn't know, it's that everyone was in DENIAL... and the city officials only encouraged the denial, because who wants to scare people away from their city? it's bad for business.

 

[2sisters]

uh oh reb, prepare (not from me) for the incoming attack

 

[czechmate7]

btw.... the TRUE fault lies within the people themselves, who willingly stayed in a city that was long considered by leading scientists (& everyone else-) #1 most likely to have a catastrophic disaster hit at any time... and it was long overdue. it's not like the citizens didn't know, it's that everyone was in DENIAL... and the city officials only encouraged the denial, because who wants to scare people away from their city? it's bad for business.

Reb, I like your post...you can make even me look compassionate .
IMO, there were several reasons why people didn't leave before the storm.
1. There have been bad storms before and nothing happened. Why leave for this one?
2. You have the older people who WILL NOT leave their belongings period
and
3. He who stays gets the big screen tv's.....:furious:

I know people in here want to think that in light of this terrible tragedy no one would consider staying behind for an alterior motive; but when you have to get the Nat'l Guard (who, btw, were being shot at!!) in to control looters, that shows a huge problem within the city!

 

[Marthatex]

It's "ulterior" motive.

Yes, I lived right down the street from "the culture" in Baton Rouge. We drove by their shanty-type homes and stared; they wouldn't dare drive by and stare at our middle-class homes. They provided us with maids, gardeners and cooks. They never broke in and stole from us, and we never stole from them. I believe the statistics show that Afro-Americans are not having nearly the babies that Hispanics are - (refer to other thread on out-of wedlock pregnancies.)

Some of the maids did steal from the homes, usually little things like diapers or clothing for their kids.

Everyone knows there was/is a seedy part of New Orleans. The judge's decision is a ruling about FEMA, not a statement on welfare or people on welfare.

 

[2sisters]

So by your estimation, the thievery in poor areas is to blame on you and your friends not paying your maid enough? Am I supposed to feel sorry for them b/c they clean your house and cut your grass? I think it is great that they work, it may not be the most respectable, but it's a job.epsecially considering that i have seen how people that can afford a lawn boy or maid treat their employees.There are many poor who wouldn't steal a dime, once again you are giving people a cop out. They are poor an that excuses them from all responsibility. I guess those plasma TV's are for their kids to watch baby einstien vidoes. It is people like you that keep the people like that down by enabling them, not the evil republicans, Bush, or the people who are just damn tired of seeing things they worked so hard for dissappear, stolen by a nogoodnick.

 

[czechmate7]

It's "ulterior" motive.

Yes, I lived right down the street from "the culture" in Baton Rouge. We drove by their shanty-type homes and stared; they wouldn't dare drive by and stare at our middle-class homes. They provided us with maids, gardeners and cooks. They never broke in and stole from us, and we never stole from them. I believe the statistics show that Afro-Americans are not having nearly the babies that Hispanics are - (refer to other thread on out-of wedlock pregnancies.)

Some of the maids did steal from the homes, usually little things like diapers or clothing for their kids.

Everyone knows there was/is a seedy part of New Orleans. The judge's decision is a ruling about FEMA, not a statement on welfare or people on welfare.

Thanks for the correction. (It's always helpful to have an English teacher on hand!)
I realize this is somewhat off subject; but this does set a base for the subject at hand...people receiving FEMA support and the why, when, how etc...should support stop. I realize that there are people of all color, sex, religion receiving FEMA support before someone accuses me of saying only African Americans are receiving support and are on welfare, etc... That is not what I am saying at all!! I was replying to a post earlier on the thread.
First of all, I said women who had several children by different fathers at a early age and were stuck in the welfare system was prominant in different cultures. I lived in Houston for 2 yrs....I know about Hispanics. I was born and raised in LA (20yrs) I know about African Americans (i didn't say it was "the cultures" being one particular..that is an assumption that you made).
But why is it Bill Cosby can say there is a growing problem among African Americans and he's brave and couragous and something must be done, but if someone white says it's racist or completely offbase? If there is a problem it needs to be addressed and people need to be helped...the situation doesn't need to be sugar coated (it doesn't make you a racist if you see there is a problem, really, it doesn't!!) I was in the Navy and 2 of my best friends were black. I don't have a racist bone in my body. I do make observations from what I see around me. I don't put blindfolds on!

 

[czechmate7]

Plus, maids, gardeners and cooks (why not just put them back in slavery?):doh: That sounds like a little higher than middle class to me...