K.J.L.B and S.B.T.C theory by Bluecrab

[Rupert]

Please set aside Patsy's involvement just for the timebeing.

The missing period and Students for Justice in Northern Ireland (S.J.N.I) and Tom Shelley's possible tie-in to the Ramsey case should be the topic.

http://www.colorado.edu/studentgroups/SJNI/

For instance, could we have some thoughts about those four initials resembling the format (no punctuation mark after the last letter) also used at APAC's website and on the Ramsey ransom note?

Also, the hand printed S.J.N.I writing sure looks familiar. IMO it should be professionally analyzed and compared to the printing in the ransom note.

BlueCrab

Also note: I.N.A.C

 

[Nehemiah]

Also, the hand printed S.J.N.I writing sure looks familiar. IMO it should be professionally analyzed and compared to the printing in the ransom note.BlueCrab

I agree.

 

[BlueCrab]

Also note: I.N.A.C

Good eye Rupert. That one was hard to see (it's in the links section). I.N.A.C stands for Irish Northern Aid, but it's not clear what the C stands for.

BlueCrab

 

[Rupert]

Good eye Rupert. That one was hard to see (it's in the links section). I.N.A.C stands for Irish Northern Aid, but it's not clear what the C stands for.

BlueCrab

I searched and concluded that C = Campaign

 

[Voice of Reason]

i like the creativity in the sleuthing on this one, but i think this connection is insignificant, if it even exists at all. their constitution wasn't ratified until 1999. i'd be surprised if this campus group even existed in 1996.

 

[Rupert]

i like the creativity in the sleuthing on this one, but i think this connection is insignificant, if it even exists at all. their constitution wasn't ratified until 1999. i'd be surprised if this campus group even existed in 1996.

Read the thread again. TS was also in A.P.A.C 1996 along with NI who knew the Rams. NI drove JonBenet to school. Could be someone asked NI about JR and his parent company as well as his Little Miss America daughter and his billion dollars sells.

Funny those 4 letter acronyms. They're all just 4 letters.

 

[sandraladeda]

I mena no disrespect, but I find that, often in the JBR cae, people hear hoofbeats, and assume it must be a herd of Zebras.

The obvious is the most likely.

The Ramsey family - Definitely Patsy, maybe John, less likely Burke - knows something, has hidden something, has not fully cooperated, I believe we can agree - and as a result, justice has not been served.

IMO

 

[BlueCrab]

Read the thread again. TS was also in A.P.A.C 1996 along with NI who knew the Rams. NI drove JonBenet to school. Could be someone asked NI about JR and his parent company as well as his Little Miss America daughter and his billion dollars sells.

Funny those 4 letter acronyms. They're all just 4 letters.

Rupert,

I think VOR was referring to the I.N.A.C when he said their constitution wasn't ratified until 1999. However, that wouldn't make any difference anyway. Someone at CU has been leaving their signature on various websites (two that we know of) that consists of four capital letters with periods after each letter except for the last letter -- the same format the killer of JonBenet used in 1996 as a signature in the ransom note.

BlueCrab

 

[BlueCrab]

The obvious is the most likely.
IMO

sandraladeda,

We are following the most likely. I don't believe in coincidences unless they are thoroughly checked out.

BlueCrab

 

[Nehemiah]

I spent some time going through Lockheed Martin contracts from '96, eyeing those awarded to Ireland. Possibly a connection to that...

 

[BlueCrab]

I need a little help here; I'm semi-computer illiterate and would like to find the full name of the author of Term Paper #56221. Here's all I know:

Term Paper #56221
"The JonBenet Ramsey Murder Case, 2005"
Shelley 1998
11,245 words, 45 pages
MLA $200.95

I would be interested in knowing what Shelley's first name is. Thanks.

BlueCrab

 

[Rupert]

Nehemiah,
Good sleuthing too. We are now a Group: B.C.R.N (just kidding).

I will keep to acronyms as Websleuths requires and I totally agree. Ironically we are doing exactly the same thing the perp did - how bout that!

LM was a well known defence contractor and there was some thought that S.B.T.C might have meant "Stop Bombing Third world Countries". I'll give Lou Smit credit on this one:

http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_408302,00.html
"The letter is signed using the acronym SBTC. Police wondered if that was a reference to Subic Bay, a training center where John Ramsey spent time during his naval career, though no one in the Navy apparently used that acronym to describe the place. Smit doesn't know what the acronym means but is aware of other places where its use has appeared, including a sign at a protest demonstration with SBTC spelled out vertically. Horizontally, it reads: Stop/Bombing/Third world/Countries."

I have seen the photo of the sign on the web somewhere, maybe through a forum. I have been looking for it again, but can't seem to find it. It clearly spelled SBTC vertically. I recall it was a photo of students protesting in Boulder. There was some thought that CW shared the same political thoughts as the protesters. CW also knew Susannah Chase who was murdered brutally one year later at Christmas. Maybe CW frequented the same places (pizza place and APAC) that the perp did and the perp became knowledgeable about JonBenet and Susannah Chase.

Here's my speculation (and I admit it is speculative, however logical). "Sweatshop Barbie" and "Stop Bombing Third world Countries" was big on the activist list then. Maybe someone we have never heard about was related or on the fringes of activist students and was triggered by the hypocracy of Barbie Dolls for Christmas, which were made in sweatshops in third world countries by children who were all being bombed at the same time. Maybe that coupled with a personal issue fired the perp up to target a Barbie Doll (blond) look alike.

 

[Rupert]

I mena no disrespect, but I find that, often in the JBR cae, people hear hoofbeats, and assume it must be a herd of Zebras.

The obvious is the most likely.

The Ramsey family - Definitely Patsy, maybe John, less likely Burke - knows something, has hidden something, has not fully cooperated, I believe we can agree - and as a result, justice has not been served.

IMO

Sandraladeda,
Things can be interpreted in different ways. If you are immediately apprised that statistically you are a good suspect right off the bat, then you become defensive. Not only that, but your defensive actions are now interpreted by police to be suspicious. It carries on and can also become a herd of Zebras.

I don't know who did it. One should always clearly look for the facts and get the facts right. I make mistakes and am prepared to correct. We are looking for connections and there seems to be a high correlation on this one (the case of the missing period and politics).

I keep an open mind, but look for the coincidences. You never know, all this foreign faction/kidnap crime movie stuff could have been communicated over a phone.

I am also aware of my gullibility. I make mistakes and am prepared to correct, lest it turn into a herd of white elephants. Cheers.

 

[UKGuy]

I need a little help here; I'm semi-computer illiterate and would like to find the full name of the author of Term Paper #56221. Here's all I know:

Term Paper #56221
"The JonBenet Ramsey Murder Case, 2005"
Shelley 1998
11,245 words, 45 pages
MLA $200.95

I would be interested in knowing what Shelley's first name is. Thanks.

BlueCrab

mmm well I could speculate you are looking for someone literate, possibly with a university education, so would Thomas Shelley, be a good guess?

 

[BlueCrab]

mmm well I could speculate you are looking for someone literate, possibly with a university education, so would Thomas Shelley, be a good guess?

UKGuy,

Yes, that's who I'm guessing may be the author of the term paper, but I can't verify it. All I could come up with is the name Shelley, but no first name.

BlueCrab

 

[Rupert]

I think we have been concentrating on the student only track of connections: TS knows NI through APAC and NI knows the Rams. But NI really came to know the Rams through SS.

Could it be that that SS discussed with NI his involvement with APAC and what it was? SS was working at the university (at management level) and must have been aware of APAC through NI. Maybe in discussions with NI, SS became aware of other 4 letter acronyms of APAC or just the idea of how the periods are used as separators. Are there other 4 letter acronyms of APAC prior to 1997? Could SS be the movie buff?

I have never used periods as separators in acronyms and frankly was not aware of that until know. I wasn't heavy into student activism, so maybe I missed all that. Any body have any idea how common a use it was to use periods as separators in acronyms? Would journalist grad like PR know this well?

 

[BlueCrab]

I think we have been concentrating on the student only track of connections: TS knows NI through APAC and NI knows the Rams. But NI really came to know the Rams through SS.

Could it be that that SS discussed with NI his involvement with APAC and what it was? SS was working at the university (at management level) and must have been aware of APAC through NI. Maybe in discussions with NI, SS became aware of other 4 letter acronyms of APAC or just the idea of how the periods are used as separators. Are there other 4 letter acronyms of APAC prior to 1997? Could SS be the movie buff?

I have never used periods as separators in acronyms and frankly was not aware of that until know. I wasn't heavy into student activism, so maybe I missed all that. Any body have any idea how common a use it was to use periods as separators in acronyms? Would journalist grad like PR know this well?

Rupert,

Technically, S.J.N.I and S.B.T.C are not acronyms because the letters don't form a word. Since periods follow after each letter (except for the last letter) the four letters are the initials of persons, places, or things (in the case of S.J.N.I they stand for Students for Justice in Northern Ireland, a "thing").

Likewise with S.B.T.C , the letters likely stand for the initials of persons, places, or things.

BlueCrab

 

[Rupert]

Rupert,

Technically, S.J.N.I and S.B.T.C are not acronyms because the letters don't form a word. Since periods follow after each letter (except for the last letter) the four letters are the initials of persons, places, or things (in the case of S.J.N.I they stand for Students for Justice in Northern Ireland, a "thing").

Likewise with S.B.T.C , the letters likely stand for the initials of persons, places, or things.

BlueCrab

BlueCrab,
I found out that it is common to use periods between words in Chinese and Japanese (of course translated), thus no period after the end. In English usage the periods were all after each letter (eg. F.B.I.). From what I know so far, the missing period seems to be from the Chinese or Japanese separator use which fits of course with APAC.

I also noticed the course taught at university in Boulder on the murder of Vincent Chin (I think you've researched this before). Vincent Chin was beat over the head by a baseball bat and the suspects were acquitted. Susannah Chase was also murdered by a baseball bat over the head at Christmas one year after JonBenet. There was a baseball bat left out behind the Ramsey's home. Hmmm.

 

[BlueCrab]

BlueCrab,
I found out that it is common to use periods between words in Chinese and Japanese (of course translated), thus no period after the end. In English usage the periods were all after each letter (eg. F.B.I.). From what I know so far, the missing period seems to be from the Chinese or Japanese separator use which fits of course with APAC.

I also noticed the course taught at university in Boulder on the murder of Vincent Chin (I think you've researched this before). Vincent Chin was beat over the head by a baseball bat and the suspects were acquitted. Susannah Chase was also murdered by a baseball bat over the head at Christmas one year after JonBenet. There was a baseball bat left out behind the Ramsey's home. Hmmm.

Rupert,

Of course, the Vincent Chin murder was a hate crime and took place in 1982 in Detroit. The Asian-American community was rightfully upset when the two killers, admittingly blaming Japanese carmakers for taking away American jobs, were given light sentences and never spent a day in jail. The furor over the court's apparent bias ignited the cause of Asian-American justice that is carried on by Asian-American groups, such as APAC, to this day. (However, the APAC group at CU in Boulder disbanded immediately following the JonBenet murder.)

The bat used in the Susannah Chase murder in Boulder one year after JonBenet was murdered in 1996 was recovered and the bat contains the DNA of both Susannah and her killer, who has never been identified.

BlueCrab

 

[aussiesheila]

I mena no disrespect, but I find that, often in the JBR cae, people hear hoofbeats, and assume it must be a herd of Zebras.

The obvious is the most likely.

The Ramsey family - Definitely Patsy, maybe John, less likely Burke - knows something, has hidden something, has not fully cooperated, I believe we can agree - and as a result, justice has not been served.

IMO

Yes, I agree. I have always thought STBC stands for Saved by the Cross and that Patsy wrote it. I think that in her mind it was some kind of appeal to her God for her own salvation because of her own guilt. I think she knew deep down in her heart she bore some responsibility for JonBenet's death because of her association with the pedophiles who I think killed JonBenet. I think that although she was devastated by the death of her daughter she was still thinking of herself as she wrote the note.