Kansas teen won't apologize to governor's office for Twitter post

  • #81
On Monday, in a statement sent to the Daily News, officials said she would not have to apologize.

“District officials have reviewed recent events surrounding the reported tweet by Shawnee Mission East High School student Emma Sullivan. The district acknowledges a student's right to freedom of speech and expression is constitutionally protected," the statement said.

snip....On Monday, Governor Brownback issued a statement apologizing for his office’s response.

"My staff overreacted to this tweet, and for that I apologize," he said statement emailed to The Associated Press. "Freedom of speech is among our most treasured freedoms."



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...n-twitter-tiff-article-1.983472#ixzz1f24rMqtL
 
  • #82
So now she's the only one that looks like a fool.


le sigh.
 
  • #83
On Monday, in a statement sent to the Daily News, officials said she would not have to apologize.

“District officials have reviewed recent events surrounding the reported tweet by Shawnee Mission East High School student Emma Sullivan. The district acknowledges a student's right to freedom of speech and expression is constitutionally protected," the statement said.

snip....On Monday, Governor Brownback issued a statement apologizing for his office’s response.

"My staff overreacted to this tweet, and for that I apologize," he said statement emailed to The Associated Press. "Freedom of speech is among our most treasured freedoms."



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...n-twitter-tiff-article-1.983472#ixzz1f24rMqtL

It didn't take long to get him to :back:.
 
  • #84
[IThe statement added that the issue has "resulted in many teachable moments concerning the use of social media" - something Jones-Sontag spoke about on Wednesday.

"It was important for the organization to be aware of the comments their students were making," Jones-Sontag told the Kansas City-Star on Wednesday. "It's also important for students to recognize the power of social media, how lasting it is. It is on the internet."

For Sullivan, it appears the internet is what saved her from swallowing her pride.

"The district does not intent to take further action on this matter," the statement added.

On Monday, Governor Brownback issued a statement apologizing for his office’s response.

"My staff overreacted to this tweet, and for that I apologize," he said statement emailed to The Associated Press. "Freedom of speech is among our most treasured freedoms."
][/I]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...sullivan-twitter-tiff-article-1.983472?pgno=1
 
  • #85
[IThe statement added that the issue has "resulted in many teachable moments concerning the use of social media" - something Jones-Sontag spoke about on Wednesday.

"It was important for the organization to be aware of the comments their students were making," Jones-Sontag told the Kansas City-Star on Wednesday. "It's also important for students to recognize the power of social media, how lasting it is. It is on the internet."

For Sullivan, it appears the internet is what saved her from swallowing her pride.

"The district does not intent to take further action on this matter," the statement added.

On Monday, Governor Brownback issued a statement apologizing for his office’s response.

"My staff overreacted to this tweet, and for that I apologize," he said statement emailed to The Associated Press. "Freedom of speech is among our most treasured freedoms."
][/I]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...sullivan-twitter-tiff-article-1.983472?pgno=1

I think the bolded part from the SCHOOL DISTRICT bothers me more than anything. Seriously? No one proof reads anymore.

Also, this is exactly what I said 2 pages ago.
 
  • #86
And so this teenager feels she has public support to express herself no matter how disrespectful, rude or inappropriate her comments are?

A sad commentary on so many issues...
 
  • #87
BBM

This is in response to the bolded part. I do respectfully disagree with this. In no way did she infer, accuse or imply to the governor in a sexual relation in any way. Yes the terms expressed by persons of an older generation might refer to that. But in respect to a younger person it means something entirely different. And seeing that the words were used by a younger person and were not written in such a way that appears to either infer or imply that the governor had sexual relations with anyone else, it could only lead me to believe that she used the wording in the context of youthful language not sexual language.

If she had said that the governor "sucked" someone, or "blew" someone yes, I can see the criticism. But that is not the context she used. She used it in the context of a more youthful language where school sucks, and parents blow (BTW parents "blow" chunks, it is a reference to puking sometimes.)


Well, of course, you are right. Emma did not actually infer that he was having sexual relations and kids do mean something else when they something sucks but they are aware of its meaning and I was really referring to the impact of saying such a thing. The impact is that she used a phrase which infers a person is engaging in a sexual act.

I say that teens know the meaning even if they don't use it precisely in that way, because I hear them (all the time!) saying things like "You suck donkey %$#^&!" They know what the "sucking" refers to.

And Emma knows as well. She didn't say the governor blows, as in blows chunks. She said he blows a lot. That's more explicit.

It's kind of like the F word. Do people mean it literally when they use it? When someone says that a thing is "F'ed up" It is not meant literally. But the meaning is known and it is rude.

I think the governor was a jerk for calling the school about this. He should have ignored it. And I think the school might have gone overboard demanding an apology. I would have called her in, told her that protest is acceptable but profanity is not, and that she would not be invited to further such events because she embarrassed the school.

But I think it is Emma and her mother who really messed up here. The governor knew exactly what he was doing. He wanted to punish dissent. He succeeded, whether Emma now knows it or not, but only because she played into his hands.

Had she simply written a letter to him saying, "I disagree strongly with your policies. I think you do not have the student's interests at heart. I am a new voter and your actions have guaranteed that you will never get my vote. I will also continue to speak out against you and your policies to anyone who will listen.

However, I apologize for using immature and rude language about you publicly. That was wrong and I have learned it is an ineffective way to express my discontent."

Had she done that, she would not be known as a person who cannot control her sentiment in a public setting. Instead, she chose to make this public. No one else did.
 
  • #88
Oh come on! People say things suck all the time. It does not refer to a sexual act in the context it's being used.

One of my favorite sayings...
"CANCER SUX!!!!"

As far as I'm aware cancer can not perform sexual acts.

Same as kids saying homework sucks, school sucks, softball practice sucks, this show sucks, that movie sucked...
None of those things can actually "suck" (verb).

Saying a political figure sucks is in no way saying what he or she does sexually.

The use of the word has moved way past that literal meaning.

JMO
 
  • #89
Saying someone sucks should be covered in free speech IMO.
 
  • #90
life sucks

http://images.google.com/search?sou...8&bih=674&sei=mArUTvqgA-bQ2wWe0dW8Dw&tbm=isch

Just Black Fri. I remember texting to my son, and this is a direct quote

"Parking sucks".

Low class it might be. Begun by the kids maybe. But I am afraid it has joined the vocabulary and common use of many many people including me.

When I hear complaints about the kids use of language, their dress, their music, how they act or how they do this or that I laugh. I keep hearing my Dad's voice talking about those hippies. They had a very bad rep but I thought they were the most exciting romantic group there ever was when I was a teen.

I never got to be a hippie. And they had a terrible rep. But they did accomplish some things. They are the only young people's group that I can think of that shook up the system, that made social changes to such a large extent. LOL yes they may have been unwashed dope smokers. And they may have contributed to the population explosion. And maybe all the changes they began haven't worked out great. But at least they did something, they got involved they showed interest in things outside themselves.
 
  • #91
Oh come on! People say things suck all the time. It does not refer to a sexual act in the context it's being used.

One of my favorite sayings...
"CANCER SUX!!!!"

As far as I'm aware cancer can not perform sexual acts.

Same as kids saying homework sucks, school sucks, softball practice sucks, this show sucks, that movie sucked...
None of those things can actually "suck" (verb).

Saying a political figure sucks is in no way saying what he or she does sexually.

The use of the word has moved way past that literal meaning.

JMO

So.....if I say, "WS'er so-and-so sucks," I won't get a time out? Because...hey, from your own words, "People say stuff suck(s) all the time."

So...that makes it ok, and not at all insulting. Gotcha.
 
  • #92
life sucks

http://images.google.com/search?sou...8&bih=674&sei=mArUTvqgA-bQ2wWe0dW8Dw&tbm=isch

Just Black Fri. I remember texting to my son, and this is a direct quote

"Parking sucks".

Low class it might be. Begun by the kids maybe. But I am afraid it has joined the vocabulary and common use of many many people including me.

When I hear complaints about the kids use of language, their dress, their music, how they act or how they do this or that I laugh. I keep hearing my Dad's voice talking about those hippies. They had a very bad rep but I thought they were the most exciting romantic group there ever was when I was a teen.

I never got to be a hippie. And they had a terrible rep. But they did accomplish some things. They are the only young people's group that I can think of that shook up the system, that made social changes to such a large extent. LOL yes they may have been unwashed dope smokers. And they may have contributed to the population explosion. And maybe all the changes they began haven't worked out great. But at least they did something, they got involved they showed interest in things outside themselves.


It's not low class if you say it as a joke among your family and friends.


That is not what she did here. So she does indeed look low class.
 
  • #93
It must be a slow news day. Why anybody reported what some teen tweeted is beyond me.
 
  • #94
So.....if I say, "WS'er so-and-so sucks," I won't get a time out? Because...hey, from your own words, "People say stuff suck(s) all the time."

So...that makes it ok, and not at all insulting. Gotcha.

It's called FREE speech.

We can't do that at WS because it's against TOS.

But as far as I know, Twitter doesn't have that rule.
 
  • #95
It's not low class if you say it as a joke among your family and friends.


That is not what she did here. So she does indeed look low class.

How does somebody look low class?
 
  • #96
It's a figure of speech. She "comes across as" or "looks" low class. Basically by acting stupid, uneducated, bigoted or disrespectful. I'm sure you are familiar with low class behavior. You know what I meant. :)
 
  • #97
Tweeting Kansas Teen Gets Apology from Gov. Brownback, Her Following Soars

A Kansas teen who refused to apologize to Gov. Sam Brownback for an insulting tweet got an apology today from the governor himself for his staff’s “over-reaction.”

.....

“My staff over-reacted to this tweet, and for that I apologize. Freedom of speech is among our most treasured freedoms,” Brownback said in a statement.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...en-wont-apologize-to-gov-her-following-soars/

(ETA: Oops - I see that this was previously posted...)
 
  • #98
I don't know. That's a question white people have been asking about the "N" word for a long time. They claim that it has lost its original meaning. Most black people don't think so.

And I don't think it is relevant to "you suck" or "you blow" yet. But kids completely know what it means, even if they use it in an offhand way. I have teen brother in laws and live across from a high school. I hear what the kids affix to "you suck". They know its meaning.

Here's the thing. I actually have a pretty bad mouth. I have a high pressure job and I am a serious tomboy. But I don't use that language at protests, or when I am expressing myself at a city hall meeting or in court or to my clients. I don't use that language in public, especially not in a public, political context, because it is more than ineffective. It reveals ignorance, lack of education and a small vocabulary. It is a turn off. And we should be teaching our kids that so they can have actual, intelligent discourse and debate and understand context.

Yes, it is free speech, but not in this context.

Don't get me wrong, gitana, I think what this girl wrote was intellectually lazy and, on the whole, childish. (What do you want to bet she was parroting the views of her parents?) I also think it was disrespectful to the office of governor of the state.

But if I were one of your jurors, you'd have a hard time convincing me that it was sexually vulgar UNLESS some sexual object were attached to the "suck". I just don't believe people who use the verb without an object necessarily think of the sexual context any more. For most people, "the governor sucks" just means "the governor is a bad governor"; and the latter may violate some school rule, but in and of itself, it's protected speech.
 
  • #99
It's a figure of speech. She "comes across as" or "looks" low class. Basically by acting stupid, uneducated, bigoted or disrespectful. I'm sure you know are familiar with low class behavior. You know what I meant. :)

No, actually I didn't.
She may have acted "disrespectful" in your opinion but I'm not sure that makes her low class.
I have not read anything that says she's uneducated, bigoted, or stupid.
So I was wondering what makes her look low class? By expressing her opinion of the governor? I can't count how many times I've said Obama sucks. Does that make me low class?

And I'm trying to figure this out:
"I'm sure you know are familiar with low class behavior."


She is entitled to free speech. It's a MAJOR part of our freedom. She thinks he sucks. After his reaction, I think I agree with her.
 
  • #100
Tweeting Kansas Teen Gets Apology from Gov. Brownback, Her Following Soars


At least he came to his senses. I'm sure the media coverage had a lot to do with that.

What she did was perfectly legal.
 

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