KatieCoolady Holds 'Court' - The Dedicated KCL Thread

[Lilly12]

I wish it was that easy. As someone with no insurance and no income, dental care is way down the road for me. I miss those twice yearly visits, and so do my teeth. But food comes first, gas second. Everything else is impossible when you have no income. After Mom passes and I can back to work, teeth are my first priority. But by that time, it will be dentures probably...... :blushing:

I understand. I was fortunate enough to have a good job (I am retired), and have a good pension. But I know, as I grew up in poverty. Gold bless you!!

 

[Kaddy Wonders]

She will be sorry she DIDNT get death. She will wish she had! They thrive on making you miserable if your new and with attitude lol. We will hear in the news how she got her but kicked good lol.

(snipped)

They might even add to the "series of bad things" that happened to that 4th finger.

 

[katiecoolady]

Ok, I tried to enlarge the frames...I put pictures in the finished frames so they don't look so blah...do you like one of these?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/Snippy29/cfc2a8ce-8451-4f01-b0da-c06a14d1f179_zpsfacc757d.jpg

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Photobucket is acting up...these two for now...

Those are FABULOUS!!! My bedroom is 5 shades of white....so I think the white one.

 

[Hope4More]

Great points! Maybe there was such a desire to remain "friends" after this was over that no one wanted to hurt anyone's "feelings". But the voters for non death simply did not follow the LAW. They delivered a compromise based on their feelings which is exactly what the Defense, although arguing constantly about the law being followed, relied upon. Ironic isn't it? (btw hope you keep sharing, appreciating your insights).

Respectfully, we do not yet know why 3 out of 4 for voted for life. Saying that they did not follow the law is a serious accusation, and without the facts, really unfair, IMO. They were allowed, legally, to decide for themselves on what constitutes adequate mitigation and thus life. As much as I hate how 18 handled/mishandled his responsibilities, even his idea of what was mitigating enough to warrant life is legal.

I read Gold's thoughts with great interest, but ultimately don't think the jury or judge were sandbagged. The 8 voting for the DP had their own moral and legal obligation to keep the deliberation going, even if the foreperson was digging his heals in and discouraging debate. If the foreperson was conducting himself inappropriately during deliberations, 11 other jurors could and should have reported him to JSS.

I wish that the jury draw had been different, and think the verdict could have been for the DP had it been, but no.... no illegalities.

 

[katiecoolady]

Respectfully, we do not yet know why 3 out of 4 for voted for life. Saying that they did not follow the law is a serious accusation, and without the facts, really unfair, IMO. They were allowed, legally, to decide for themselves on what constitutes adequate mitigation and thus life. As much as I hate how 18 handled/mishandled his responsibilities, even his idea of what was mitigating enough to warrant life is legal.

I read Gold's thoughts with great interest, but ultimately don't think the jury or judge were sandbagged. The 8 voting for the DP had their own moral and legal obligation to keep the deliberation going, even if the foreperson was digging his heals in and discouraging debate. If the foreperson was conducting himself inappropriately during deliberations, 11 other jurors could and should have reported him to JSS.

I wish that the jury draw had been different, and think the verdict could have been for the DP had it been, but no.... no illegalities.

The 3 out of 4 I was referring to had to do with previous re sentencing death penalty hearings in AZ. In 4 of them that came to that stage, 3 were sentenced to death. On the 4th they also hung again and then a LWOP sentence was given.

I'm surmising (filling in the blanks) that a fast deliberation to a "hung jury" within less than an hour that second day combined with the comments about how they were all commmited to getting along, speaks to me about the level of heatedness in the debating. I'm just speculating of course.

Maybe I should have said they didn't really follow the instructions but it's not illegal for a jury to deliver a compromised verdict. I sure do wonder if they really knew or who knew that this non decision would result in a new sentencing hearing.

I also find it really odd that Michael Kiefer, who has expressed many of the almost verbatim sentiments of the foreperson in to my own ears, reported who he was before anyone else knew. Then he edited that out from his article. Just some fishiness going on.

I'm ok with all of it though after hearing from AZ Lawyer who IS an appellate lawyer that there was something very risky in the sentencing phase of this trial that could have likely resulted in an appeal, meaning a whole new trial. I'm seeing a shimmer of that silver lining peeking through now. At least that will be a non issue in the new hearing and one less chance for this to EVER go back to a new trial or this demon get out of prison ever again.

 

[GetToTheTruthNow]

Katie---what number are these jurors? I have heard no one described as a stocky built guy with a beard?



http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/jod...tab=9482930&section=1206852&playlist=19259672

 

[TXProfessional]

Those are FABULOUS!!! My bedroom is 5 shades of white....so I think the white one.

Afternoon Cool lady, hope your holiday weekend is just great. Thanks for accepting me at your blog. :seeya:

 

[Hope4More]

Is this troubling and apparent to anyone else?

The foreman may try to steer debate, but all 12 jurors are legally, morally, and ethically bound to debate no matter what. If any of them felt he was preventing them from doing their duty they should have reported him.

My guess is that he might have made it easier for the other 3 lifers to vote that way, but even if all 3 were swayed to vote DP , as long as he was on the jury in any capacity he would never have budged, and the result would be no different.

I'm very curious why he was voted foreman, given that his sense of things was in the minority and because reports say he kept seperate from other jurors during breaks.

 

[Hope4More]

Great points! Maybe there was such a desire to remain "friends" after this was over that no one wanted to hurt anyone's "feelings". But the voters for non death simply did not follow the LAW. They delivered a compromise based on their feelings which is exactly what the Defense, although arguing constantly about the law being followed, relied upon. Ironic isn't it? (btw hope you keep sharing, appreciating your insights).

This is the post I was referring to, that the non DP voters did not follow the law.

 

[jbaxter68]

Yes he tried to sell those pedophile letters to me as legit as well...right in the courtroom. It's like the defense team knew they were just "selling" things that were questionable or just flat out fabricated to try and defend her but Kiefer was so rabid it's like he was actually believing it to be true. Shaking my head.

It's my personal opinion only that it's driven by a deep hatred for Juan Martinez from everything he said. I also think being a DP opponent plays a role. I don't know the details and don't think i'd share if I did but I can tell you what it feels like: something personal.

Did you know that Josh Freeman (Desiree and Dan's brother wrote a suicide letter to his family? If I read the blog that they had set up and understand correctly Josh had written a letter a few days earlier admitting to his family his pedophile urges. I believe he committed suicide as to not act on these urges. I am wondering if Jodi somehow was able to see this letter and maybe copy it. Here is a link you might be interested in.

https://www.facebook.com/WrathFilledTravisAlexanderSupporters/posts/244415829035079

 

[kpm]

Updating with KCL's observations.

Making some changes to the list, be gentle with me. Thanks TXPro, My3Sons and Katiecoolady!!!

I've started making a juror descriptions post so that it can be copied over to the "Jurors Speak Out" thread when it is opened.

If you have anything else to add, please copy the post instead of quoting it so that we don't lose content.

So far we have heard from Tara Kelley, Bill Zervakos, Carol Gosselink, Diane Schwartz and Daniel Gibb. I think I'm missing someone?? Meliha Omanovic said she would speak out after the trial finishes.

Please only take information that has been freely given by the jurors and is available on MSM. Please do not sleuth or google private information about the jurors.


***

Juror No. 1 - Church Lady

She is a white female in her 60s and sits closest to the witness stand. She doesn't look at Arias often during her testimony. People in the gallery observed her yawning once during an emotional part of Arias' testimony.

This lady looks absolutely disgusted the whole time. I never once saw her look in the direction of JA. Not ONCE. She either stares straight forward or looks at JM.

Juror No. 2 - Trump

He is a white male in his 50s. He takes few notes and usually has his head cupped in his hands as he listens to testimony.

I called this guy "Comb Over" he had his head resting on his hand almost the whole time. He also never looks at JA. He seemed to be paying attention, but also seemed bored.

Sorry Juror 2, I know it's your real hair! His voice was strongest on those YES's w/ verdicts. I love him.

Juror No. 3 - Housewife

She is a white female in her 40s. She takes a lot of notes and often watches prosecutor Juan Martinez as he moves around the courtroom. She has been seen submitting questions.

Interesting different view today. I called her the "Angry Neighbor Lady" Lol. I wrote that she follows along, but has a constant "sour puss". I don't know if it's just "her look" or what, but she seemed to be frowning every time I looked at her.

She became my foreperson pick after CEO was bumped. Tons of notes, attentive. I didn't really see her as anger as much as very attentive.

Juror No. 4 - Grandpa

He is a white male in his 60s, and he takes few notes.

I also named this man Grandpa. He does have a sweet face and seems the "calm" type.

Juror No. 5 - tri color
Dismissed. Identified herself as 38 year old Meliha Omanovic.

She is a married, white female in her 30s. She sits on the edge of her seat and is the most visible juror from the gallery because she has a “unique hair style.”

This is the only one I remembered Anita's name for because her hair stood out, Lol. She reminded me of my best friend. She probably gave more facial expressions than any of the others. She is very engaged and took a fair amount of notes.

Juror No. 6 - Nancy Reagan
Has identified herself as Diane Schwartz.

She is a white female in her 60s and is also seen taking many notes.

I called her Spikey Hair. Anita's description is better. She was the only one I saw look at Jodi when the jury first walked in. She took a lot of notes

Of all the jurors, I'd say she had the hardest time not showing emotions.
Mouthed 'I'm so sorry' to the Alexander family after the mistrial.

Juror No. 7 - Paul Rudd

He is a white male in his 30s, and he is married. He takes notes and often bites his nails.

He does look like Paul Rudd, but with shorter hair. He's a good looking young man.

I always thought he looked like Adam Levine. The trial did look to wear on him as he looked to me like he lost weight and was drawn toward the end.

Juror No. 8 - CEO
Dismissed. Identified himself as 52 year old Daniel Gibb.

He is a white male in his 50s and is married. He also takes notes and has been observed submitting questions.

I called this guy "The Dad". He looks nothing like my dad, Lol, but for whatever reason... I got a fatherly feel from him.

Juror No. 9 - Willie Nelson

He is a white male in his 60s. He wears denim on most days and sits at the end of the jury box. He sits close to the first row of the gallery where Alexander's family sits.

This guy looked PIZZED the whole time. He seemed to be staring towards the media lady or just into the corner. I only saw him look at JM or JA maybe once.

He has this long white ponytail but dresses kinda like a golfer. He often went in the front door alone or sat outside on a bench. He was a really hard read for me but rarely took notes.

Juror No. 10 - Barb
Alternate Juror. Identified herself as Carol Gosselink

She is a white female in her 40s. She is an occasional note taker and she often looks at the gallery during sidebars.

I called this lady "Plain Jane" She was very hard to see from where I was, but I could tell she was taking notes quite a bit.

Attentive, more and more toward the end looked out toward the family. Very serious. Looks professional.

Juror No. 11 - Poquito Mas
Dismissed

He is a Hispanic male in his late 20s to early 30s. He dresses casually and sometimes slouches so far down in his chair that he is hardly visible to the gallery. He does not appear to be taking notes.

I called him "Paco" He was hard to see too, but mostly because he was slouched down in his seat I thought he'd fall off Lol. At one point he was bent over instead of slouching, but still very hard to see.

Juror No. 12 - Neil

He is a white male in his 40s.

I called this guy "Jim" I wrote "very hard to read".

He concerned me at first, I don't know why. But toward the end I had great confidence in him. His face gets red when strong emotional things discussed.

Juror No. 13 - Wrestler

He is a white male in his late 20s or early 30s. He appears to be the youngest member of the jury and takes very few notes. He smiled when Martinez asked Arias if she could predict the future.

I called this guy "The Jock" He reminded me a little of Oz on American Pie (Chris Klein).

He was extremely attentive in mitigation phase. So much so that I thought he could have been foreperson.

Juror No. 14 - CPA

He is a white male in his early 60s who often swivels in his chair. He does not appear to be taking notes.

I called this guy Sleepy. He swiveled in his chair a lot and fell asleep at least twice. He was also slouched down in his chair.

Juror No. 15 - headphones
Alternate Juror

He is a white male in his late 60s to early 70s. He wears an audio-enhancing headset provided by the court. He does takes notes.

I called him "Captain" He has a very intense gaze. It's hard to describe but he gives off a stubborn and no bs vibe. Maybe ex military or something?

Juror No. 16 - Maureen

She is a white female in her 40s and also takes lots of notes. She swiveled her chair toward Arias during her testimony.

I called her The Secretary. She took a lot of notes and had a "polished" look to her. She had her whole body turned facing Jodi. I barely saw her look at JM. She was the only one that really made me feel nervous at all.

I really want to hear from her. Seemed bonded w/ Ponytail. She asked questions, very attentive. Some said she looks like Jodi's mother. Kinda but not really. Same hair color/length. She always had navel intelligence toward the witnesses.

Juror No. 17 - Ponytail
Alternate Juror, identified herself as Tara Kelley

She is a married, white female in her 30s. She takes a lot of notes. She does not look at Arias during testimony. She tends to look straight ahead or down at her notes.

I called her frumpy lady. Not in a rude way... it's just the word that came to mind. Very plain. She took a lot of notes.

She wore different hairstyles often, long bangs, ponytail, down, up. Often in very high heels, jeans, sparkly tops. Of course now we love her. And I think she's super cute but have seen more pics of her by now.

Juror No. 18 - The Artist
Foreman. Has identified himself as 69 year old William (Bill) Zervakos

He is a white male in his 70s and is married. He has a tattoo on his right arm. He rarely is seen taking notes. He sits the furthest away from the witness.

This guy also had a very intense gaze. He took some notes. He rubbed his face and tapped his fingers to his lips a lot. He wasn't the only one doing stuff like that.

His gait was what gave away his age. He walks like he ha some pain but of course that's my job to assess things like that.

Fruity, thanks so much for doing this!
One suggestion, if I may, can we put DP OR life after their name as we find out how they voted?

Example: Juror no 17 - Ponytail - DP ??

 

[Hope4More]

The 3 out of 4 I was referring to had to do with previous re sentencing death penalty hearings in AZ. In 4 of them that came to that stage, 3 were sentenced to death. On the 4th they also hung again and then a LWOP sentence was given.

I'm surmising (filling in the blanks) that a fast deliberation to a "hung jury" within less than an hour that second day combined with the comments about how they were all commmited to getting along, speaks to me about the level of heatedness in the debating. I'm just speculating of course.

Maybe I should have said they didn't really follow the instructions but it's not illegal for a jury to deliver a compromised verdict. I sure do wonder if they really knew or who knew that this non decision would result in a new sentencing hearing.

I also find it really odd that Michael Kiefer, who has expressed many of the almost verbatim sentiments of the foreperson in to my own ears, reported who he was before anyone else knew. Then he edited that out from his article. Just some fishiness going on.

I'm ok with all of it though after hearing from AZ Lawyer who IS an appellate lawyer that there was something very risky in the sentencing phase of this trial that could have likely resulted in an appeal, meaning a whole new trial. I'm seeing a shimmer of that silver lining peeking through now. At least that will be a non issue in the new hearing and one less chance for this to EVER go back to a new trial or this demon get out of prison ever again.

Agree with you very much that if AZ's opinion on reversible error re parole is accurate, far better for the jury to have hung than for a DP sentence to be overturned on appeal.

The more I research into Perryville, FYI, the more sure I am that LWOP there would be a death sentence for this particular killer in any case.

 

[katiecoolady]

Katie---what number are these jurors? I have heard no one described as a stocky built guy with a beard?



http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/jod...tab=9482930&section=1206852&playlist=19259672

Those are 16 "Maureen", 6 "Nancy" and 13 "The Wrestler"

 

[katiecoolady]

Agree with you very much that if AZ's opinion on reversible error re parole is accurate, far better for the jury to have hung than for a DP sentence to be overturned on appeal.

The more I research into Perryville, FYI, the more sure I am that LWOP there would be a death sentence for this particular killer in any case.

I hear you..and that's worst case scenario! She's screwed no matter what. This is a sociopath's dream of release combined with a defense team's desire to 'win". And a reporter's *whatever is going on there*.

 

[Sydni]

Just finished my second blog post. This one is about my brother. You might wanna have the Kleenex handy on this one...I'm still bawling. It's just the truth of aftermath of murder without the white washing.

http://twoinnocents.wordpress.com/2013/05/26/john/

Kathy, you have a book inside you. I hope you are planning to become an author .. whether it's fact or fiction. You need to get your experiences out there ... it will definitely help others who have gone (or are going) through such tragic life experiences. I think it will help you. Bless your heart. My thought is that by you being supportive to others is very therapeutic for you. You have a calling and you're responding loud and clear.

I am in no position to bless you (not a believer in the religious sense), but the one thing I DO know is that we (as a society) are lucky to have people like you in the world. We need more of you ... cloning might be the answer (LOL).

I have been sitting around for too many years having a little pitty party by myself (for my own tragic events in my life), but I feel inspired by YOU to get off my butt ... engage in life and reach out to help others. I just wanted you to know that. You, Kathy, are an inspiration. You're made of quality stuff. You care. You're compassionate. You're honest. You're open and true. I wish I could magically transport your "thinking/feeling" into my brain. I feel so stuck and selfish. If you are a "verified bad azz", I wanna be that too. Great blog, by the way. I love your heart and I have come to love your brother's heart .. and, of course, your sister's heart.

Great big hug to you darlin' ..

 

[kpm]

Thank you for that!

Fwiw in the area of the creepy, Kiefer said similar Jodi minimizing things to me but comparing her to my sister's killers like her crime was so much less evil and more understandable. Just a girl who got mad at her bad boyfriend. Blech. The odd similarities in verbiage with the foreman, Brewer, Kiefer, just makes my skin crawl.

IMO, I don't believe in coincidences like that....

 

[MeeBee]

Agree with you very much that if AZ's opinion on reversible error re parole is accurate, far better for the jury to have hung than for a DP sentence to be overturned on appeal.

The more I research into Perryville, FYI, the more sure I am that LWOP there would be a death sentence for this particular killer in any case.

hey, I was just wondering what was the reversible error was that was committed re: parole info? Was it from Martinez? I kept hearing about something possibly being an issue but I'm not sure what? Thanks so much. I think hearing from the other jurors has made me feel better. Either way, Jodi will never get out of prison, and it will be hell on earth for her. I hope she lies awake in her cell thinking of all she's missing out on, her suffering, how quickly her looks are fading in there and thinks to herself, "was it worth it?"

 

[ladonna]

Ok, I tried to enlarge the frames...I put pictures in the finished frames so they don't look so blah...do you like one of these?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/Snippy29/cfc2a8ce-8451-4f01-b0da-c06a14d1f179_zpsfacc757d.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/Snippy29/e169f9ca-866e-45b6-a432-9fc778bfcfe6_zps0d30397b.jpg

Photobucket is acting up...these two for now...

Trying again...Too Bright, was trying to show the colors

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My last one I finished ...I had this Lady Brooch and found this picture to put in it...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/Snippy29/SAM_0270_zpsae67d53d.jpg

They are magnificient!!!!!

 

[kpm]

Katie,

Your blog is great! I would like to introduce Jane Bashara's sister to it if you don't mind?
IMO, when that family gets through the trial she will need an outlet when her thoughts and realizations are creeping in.
She is a strong gal like you are and a writer to boot, I would love for her have some relief, a place to vent and heal.....

 

[katiecoolady]

Kathy, you have a book inside you. I hope you are planning to become an author .. whether it's fact or fiction. You need to get your experiences out there ... it will definitely help others who have gone (or are going) through such tragic life experiences. I think it will help you. Bless your heart. My thought is that by you being supportive to others is very therapeutic for you. You have a calling and you're responding loud and clear.

I am in no position to bless you (not a believer in the religious sense), but the one thing I DO know is that we (as a society) are lucky to have people like you in the world. We need more of you ... cloning might be the answer (LOL).

I have been sitting around for too many years having a little pitty party by myself (for my own tragic events in my life), but I feel inspired by YOU to get off my butt ... engage in life and reach out to help others. I just wanted you to know that. You, Kathy, are an inspiration. You're made of quality stuff. You care. You're compassionate. You're honest. You're open and true. I wish I could magically transport your "thinking/feeling" into my brain. I feel so stuck and selfish. If you are a "verified bad azz", I wanna be that too. Great blog, by the way. I love your heart and I have come to love your brother's heart .. and, of course, your sister's heart.

Great big hug to you darlin' ..

Thank you so much..that makes my whole life worthwhile to read something like this.

This is what I want to repeat to you. Something I said to a client this week about her pain pattern. There is something operating inside you that is bigger and more powerful than this pain you are experiencing.

That thing that is driving your heart to beat and your lungs to bring in a breath. It is STRONGER than what is causing you to feel limited and in any way contracted in your life. It is your very LIFE FORCE. (Edited to add, I said this to this client while we were waiting for a verdict this week. See how I was speaking to my own inner self with those words?)

Given the tiniest cracks and support, it will start to express itself in your life and you will be informed by this. You don't have to make it happen but receive it.

This life is precious, that I know for sure. And survivor guilt is a living breathing thing and has a huge impact on people in so many ways. It's an irrational belief system that gets stuck in the matrix of one's very being. But compared to that which stimulates a plant to grow out of the cracks of two big boulders with a blooming flower expressing itself out of it, that limitation is a speck of dust.

The best advice I think I can give to anyone is to start looking for signs of life in your life. That, for me, shows up in the form of serendipity, "coincidences", opportunities to see something from the eyes of an "aha" moment. things like that, the unexplained. Signs of grace.

Those are my touchstones. I invite any of you to start stepping on the ones your life is laying out for you uniquely and individually right along with me.