KC KNEW that Caylee was dead ALL ALONG!?!?

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I do have a question though. Are people shocked ICA knew her daughter was dead the entire time? Or are they shocked she is admiting it?

RSBM; this is such a good question. If Casey had revealed this from the beginning, I would have been shocked by neither. But I am shocked at her admission at this late date. I don't believe this fable any more than I believed her multiple variations of the ZFG tales. If this were all true she could have more easily just reported the accidental drowning to LE. She claims she didn't because she was scared of George? Well then, she could have just left him entirely out of the picture.

Guess I am shocked (and offended) that the deception they are trying to pull is so late and loosely hung together that it's an insult to any sane person's intelligence.:cow:

 

[Pink Panther]

RSBM; this is such a good question. If Casey had revealed this from the beginning, I would have been shocked by neither. But I am shocked at her admission at this late date. I don't believe this fable any more than I believed her multiple variations of the ZFG tales. If this were all true she could have more easily just reported the accidental drowning to LE. She claims she didn't because she was scared of George? Well then, she could have just left him entirely out of the picture.

Guess I am shocked (and offended) that the deception they are trying to pull is so late and loosely hung together that it's an insult to any sane person's intelligence.:cow:

The Defence will state that she had some kind a repressed memory state and that all this information came out late in the process due to the stress leading up to the trial.

GUFFAW!

moo

 

[Chablis]

Yeah, she panicked so she put 3 layers of duct tape over her mouth. If it weren't for the duct tape and the fact that she appeared exactly the same in demeanor immediately after the death she might have had a case. Even if it had been an accident and she panicked wouldn't you think she would have appeared even a little upset the next day instead of spending it in bed with her boyfriend of less then a month?
I seem to remember that after she was arrested, in a court hearing, she was crying, so obviously she is capable of showing her emotions, at least for herself.

I think she staged the body to look like child was kidnapped and duct taped. I think that was her plan in case the body was found right away. A premeditated murderer is not going to drive around with her daughters body in the car as long as she did. To me that shows she couldnt part with the child until she absolutely had to. jmo

 

[smart blonde]

I think she staged the body to look like child was kidnapped and duct taped. I think that was her plan in case the body was found right away. A premeditated murderer is not going to drive around with her daughters body in the car as long as she did. To me that shows she couldnt part with the child until she absolutely had to. jmo

(Above bolding by smart blonde)

I don't think she drove around with Caylee's decomposing body in the trunk for so many days because she "couldn't part with her child".

I think she just couldn't figure out a safe place to dump the body where it wouldn't be found. She just didn't want to get caught.

 

[aafromaa]

This a huge concession, IMO! For months her family, friends, neighbors, total strangers were searching for her daughter! All along JB insisting (and kc) that Caylee was
alive and that LE was not following up on tips! Can they be sued for all the money that was WASTED on this cover-up?
I'm outraged if it is true that her attorneys knew this all along and allowed hard earned tax payers money and many volunteers time and money to go to waste searching for a live Caylee! this is outrageous and it should be illegal or they should be at least financially responsible for this hoax! The DT should have to answer how long have they known this, that Caylee drowned on the backyard pool! How can this be allowed?
I CANNOT UNDERSTAND IT! Abuse does not explain it! nothing explains it. What are your thoughts? what does the law say about this?

PS- sorry if I sound upset

bbm

I share your outrage but unfortunately JB & Co cannot be compelled to disclose when or if KC ever told them that Caylee drowned in the pool by accident on 6/16 because of attorney/client privilege. (I say "if" because I am not sure whether KC told them this or whether they cooked it up together - but I digress...)

I don't actually believe that this is what JB thought happened early on. I do not know whether he ever believed there was a nanny - even when he was on tv saying there was and asking for help to find her. I do not know whether he ever believed Caylee was still alive in those early days when he was talking about sightings and tips and such on tv.

I do believe that initially KC told him the same nanny kidnapping story she told her family & LE and I don't know when her story to him changed or how often (but I suspect that over the course of the past 3 years she told him a variety of different things and I doubt that she has ever even told him what really happened.)

I'm sure that he has had to adjust his strategy more than once as new evidence has come out, but one thing that hasn't changed from the beginning is his desire to "explain" away the 31 days. The 1st time I recall JB saying there was a reasonable explanation for the delay in reporting that Caylee was missing was only 3 days after CA's 911 calls. I would almost guarantee you that the "reasonable explanation" he would have given on 7/18/08 was no where near the one he gave in his opening statement a few days ago (and by the way - there was NOTHING remotely REASONABLE about that explanation).

JB has a job to do - I do get that - but I am naive enough to think that lawyers shouldn't stoop to the level of their clients in there effort to defend them.

Just MOO of course

 

[smart blonde]

There is a common misconception about the term 'premeditated'.

Premeditated doesn't have to mean the murder was carefully planned out, days/ weeks/ months in advance.

Premeditated can be as fast as placing 3 strips of duct tape over a toddlers mouth, even if you only thought to do it 60 seconds before, if it is reasonable that you knew it could kill the child by doing so.

 

[teedie2]

Hey, yea!!! You're right and that was MP's depo that we just found that all out. hhhmmmm..........

I can see the State is going in a somewhat chronological order and I expect to see the tattoo guy and AH fairly soon.

Then they will move into the "world we all have known" and start with the 911 calls and the jail calls and the jail visits. THOSE will bring out the real ICA and personally, I can't wait.

I bet they end up recalling MP about that depo when LP bailed her out and they all had that "celebration".

Interesting.............................I don't think MP will cry on the stand then - do you?

Who is MP, please?

 

[MD MOMMY]

'cause you have a really stinky lawyer. This should have been plead it out a long time ago. Bad bad lawyering :maddening:

Takes more than a defense attorney to plead. ICA first would need to receive a plea offer from the SAO. Next, ICA would have to accept the plea deal. A lawyer cannot accept one on behalf of his client. We are dealing with a Sociopath who places blame everywhere BUT where it should be placed. We don't know for sure if she was ever offered a deal. We also don't know if JB et al suggested she take a deal. The only thing we DO know is, she didn't accept one IF it was offered. That is HER choice not the lawyers.

ETA...not that I don't think her lawyers are stinky LOL b/c I do.

 

[Baznme]

I do think it was possibly an pool accident. She was on the computer or the phone (texting) or talking and just wasn't paying attention. The baby drowned and she would not, could not take the responsibility for it so she staged it as a kidnapping. We know she's never been responsible in her adult life, so it's not too far fetched to think she could create all this in her head. The duct tape came in after the body began leaking fluids. She carried her around in the trunk looking for a safe place to hide the body so she wouldn't be implicated. She chose the wrong spot as it turned out to make her very conspicuous but I believe Blanchard Park was a consideration.

She was already good at lying, so the lies took on a life of their own and continued even to her attorneys, LE, her family and everyone else. I don't think JB even knew until the last couple of months that she knew from day one Caylee had died on 6/16/2008. It's beyond me how JB and his wife had dinner at the A's dinner table when ICA was bonded out the first time if he OR GA already knew Caylee was gone and how. It doesn't make any sense. Am I shocked! No, I believed she knew all the while. What I am shocked with is JB taking this road trying to keep her from the DP. IMO, he's already blown it.

 

[DairyGirl]

Who is MP, please?

Mallory

 

[smart blonde]

Who is MP, please?

Mallory P., Lee A.'s girlfriend.

 

[Tsunami]

I think she staged the body to look like child was kidnapped and duct taped. I think that was her plan in case the body was found right away. A premeditated murderer is not going to drive around with her daughters body in the car as long as she did. To me that shows she couldnt part with the child until she absolutely had to. jmo

Excellent food for thought Chablis!

 

[teedie2]

As much as I hate saying it, Caylee may have been better off. At least she would have had a chance at someone finding her alive as so many are. A chance at a real family, and real love. :maddening:

I hate to even say that in some ways, Caylee would have been better off if Casey had aborted her. It seems less cruel. :maddening:

I remember reading way back that Casey wanted to give Caylee up for adoption, and Cindy didn't want her to I'd get in trouble if I gave my opinion on that!.

 

[MD MOMMY]

I remember reading way back that Casey wanted to give Caylee up for adoption, and Cindy didn't want her to I'd get in trouble if I gave my opinion on that!.

Remember the source for that one LOL.

 

[Nore]

Question: Wouldn't the clothes have shown traces of chlorine or pool chemicals if she had drowned? That's assuming that they did not change her deceased body?!!?

The Anthonys do not use chlorine in their pool. It was checked out way back in the beginning.:seeya:

 

[SailorMoon]

It really peeves me off -especially in opening statement - that they allowed people to search and search and search and all ICA did was sit around and eat jalapeno dip and granola bars in jail. I mean really?? And JB and company too. To me true justice would have been to slap cuffs on everyone and arrest them for concealing evidence. GRRR.

 

[DairyGirl]

I do think it was possibly an pool accident. She was on the computer or the phone (texting) or talking and just wasn't paying attention. The baby drowned and she would not, could not take the responsibility for it so she staged it as a kidnapping. We know she's never been responsible in her adult life, so it's not too far fetched to think she could create all this in her head. She was already good at lying, so the lies took on a life of their own and continued even to her attorneys, LE, her family and everyone else. I don't think JB even knew until the last couple of months that she knew from day one Caylee had died on 6/16/2008. It's beyond me how JB and his wife had dinner at the A's dinner table when ICA was bonded out the first time if he or GA already knew Caylee was gone and how. It doesn't make any sense. Am I shocked! No, I believed she knew all the while. What I am shocked with is JB taking this road trying to keep her from the DP. IMO, he's already blown it.

This was no accident. If this were an accident then 1) Why lie about GA being there and disposing of the body? Why not tell the truth about wanting it to look like a crime. At least the would have more credibility then GA hiding the body that RK found and hid again.
2) Why no change in her demeanor. Even if she didn't tell anyone wouldn't she be even a little sad that her friends might have wondered what was wrong? Why spend the day in bed with your boyfriend if the baby you loved had died the day before in an accident? She obviously has the ability to feel sad for herself, why wouldn't she feel sad at losing her child if it didn't benefit her? She was celebrating the whole month Caylee was gone until she got arrested.
You do have a point, though. If JB had played this right the accidental death might have at least created some reasonable doubt if he didn't get greedy and try to create a scenario where KC had absolutely no culpability. I still can't think of a single reasonable explanation of her total lack of concern though. Obviously the PTSD or whatever from her supposed sexual abuse isn't flying.

 

[Pink Panther]

I do think it was possibly an pool accident. She was on the computer or the phone (texting) or talking and just wasn't paying attention. The baby drowned and she would not, could not take the responsibility for it so she staged it as a kidnapping. We know she's never been responsible in her adult life, so it's not too far fetched to think she could create all this in her head. The duct tape came in after the body began leaking fluids. She carried her around in the trunk looking for a safe place to hide the body so she wouldn't be implicated. She chose the wrong spot as it turned out to make her very conspicuous but I believe Blanchard Park was a consideration.

She was already good at lying, so the lies took on a life of their own and continued even to her attorneys, LE, her family and everyone else. I don't think JB even knew until the last couple of months that she knew from day one Caylee had died on 6/16/2008. It's beyond me how JB and his wife had dinner at the A's dinner table when ICA was bonded out the first time if he OR GA already knew Caylee was gone and how. It doesn't make any sense. Am I shocked! No, I believed she knew all the while. What I am shocked with is JB taking this road trying to keep her from the DP. IMO, he's already blown it.

I think that if the Defence had taken your point of view KC would have had a chance. Given all the other chite they (the Defence) have thrown in, they have lost it and it just might end up as a DP conviction.

moo

 

[DairyGirl]

I think she staged the body to look like child was kidnapped and duct taped. I think that was her plan in case the body was found right away. A premeditated murderer is not going to drive around with her daughters body in the car as long as she did. To me that shows she couldnt part with the child until she absolutely had to. jmo

What about the rest of it? The fact that not one person would ever guess that something was troubling her. If she was so upset she didn't want to part with the body why wasn't anyone able to detect a hint of that? I don't think she is that good of an actress.

 

[Kat]

ICA knew that Caylee was deceased the day that Caylee died. The defense saying that she drowned in the family pool that morning doesn't make a difference in my mind what ICA knew at the time.

She has always known that Caylee was dead. Every single minute of every day from June 16, 2008 to December 11, 2008 when Caylee's skeletal remains were found. ICA knew that she was dead and where she was located too.

I'm finding that my anger over what was done to Caylee is becoming focused and honed---ICA did this and I do not believe that anyone else was involved. ICA is my focus. JMHO