KC KNEW that Caylee was dead ALL ALONG!?!?

[gngr~snap]

Wasn't there a diaper found as well? If she had drowned there would be no diaper left on her anymore. And who would put a diaper on a dead babY?

ICA WOULD! Caylee's body was purging!
moo

 

[GutFeeling!]

I may have not explained my position well, I am sorry. If you look at all of the evidence released thus far, not in the trial, but documents released for al to see in the last three years.

Let me be very clear, I call complete BS on the theory the DT spewed out in opening statements.

BUT, sadly Caylee was not found in a diaper, jean shorts and "Big trouble" shirt. Caylee's body was not found in one place, but scattered over a portion of land, as was the clothing that was found, in pieces mostly.

The autopsy report, along with the forensic team findings are troubling to say the least.

The remains being scattered would be expected because of the flooding and animals. the autopsy stated that marks were found on some of the bones showing wildlife had got to her (which totally breaks my heart, even if she couldn't feel a thing). When muscle and sinew breaks some bones will naturally fall away eg baby teeth (they lack a strong root hold on the jaw)

Clothes too disintergrate even before an animal rips it to get to ... you know the rest, I don't want to type it

 

[MsFacetious]

I didn't expect Casey to tell us where Caylee was. I am shocked they are admitting she knew.

I want to know when Baez knew this "story" about Caylee drowning in the pool.

Was it before he came out and told us where they thought Zanny had taken Caylee?

Or was it after Caylee's body was found and then he was suddenly enlightened?


Things would have gone much better for her if she HAD just told us where Caylee was however.

On day 32 there had not been thousands of dollars, hours and people spend searching for Caylee.

On day 32 there had not been Jose Baez talking to the media saying they thought Caylee was out of state... naming specific STATES... and saying that law enforcement was not looking into it.

On day 32 it likely wouldn't have become a worldwide story and they wouldn't be complaining about media bias.

If Baez KNEW about Casey's drowning story and was still out there complaining that people weren't searching for a live Caylee... how is THAT not an ethical issue with an attorney? (Not that he seems to know what the rules are and all.)

 

[MsFacetious]

The only way I'd believe the drowning story is if ICA wrapped duct tape around Caylee's head before throwing her in the pool, and holding her head under the water until she was dead. I can picture that.

But, I still wouldn't believe George was there and convinced ICA to participate in a huge cover-up. No way.

Do we know of a time, ever... that George has convinced Casey to do anything?

The dishes?
The laundry?
Take out the garbage?
Go to the store?
Put gas in the car?
Bring her daughter home?

I have seen no indication of anything, other than Casey convincing George to do whatever she wants him to do.

I can see Casey trying to convince George to cover something up, but I can't see him doing it.

I definitely cannot see George convincing Casey to do anything.


However, just as I think Casey hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee...

I think George loved Caylee more than he loved Casey.

I think if he HAD found Caylee dead he would have been far too devastated to give a CRAP who's fault it was.

 

[Lil'E]

I have a question for you fine sleuthers, I can't seem to find an answer in these many threads here. Can any of you recall if GA actually saw Caylee walk out of the house on her own accord on the 16th?...or was KC carrying a seemingly sleeping child. I have some suspicion that little Caylee was actually killed in her mothers bedroom during the early morning hours of June 16, 2008 (Mon)
03:22am - 07:30am when there was no phone or computer activity in that household. It appears from the logs that KC never slept and was always using her phone or computer in the days before her daughter vanished off the face of the earth, the only down time is mentioned above?

TIA

 

[cuppy199]

If the story (and I don't believe a word of it) of the accidental drowning and cover-up by George were true, his behavior is just as awful. All of the Caylee is "missing" stuff, and Kidfinders! The fact that he would go to support in the Haleigh case was bad enough, but to think that he knew Caylee was deceased, and he played a role in the cover up is ridiculous. ugh!

Im diffently not the biggest GA and CA fan but even I dont believe for one minute in the begin they knew. Later on who knows but their actions in the begin showed terrified grandparents. Watching CA and GA get upset hearing someone suggestion Caylee was dead not to mention the weight loss in the begin was real emotion IMO.

 

[zoey]

I thought about starting a thread on this too. Are there no ramifications for having thousands of people searching - and having a highly successful charity organization like Texas Equusearch almost bankrupt itself?? And how can these lawyers be permitted to lie about it the whole time? I mean is there NO responsibility to society? Is it even legal to do that? I'd have to say ANY attorney who goes along with that and lets people spend enormous amounts of time, money, and resources (which could have been used searching for ACTUAL missing kids) is extremely off in some way.

How many kids were indirectly damaged as a result of this? I guess the legal system trumps everything in our society. Shameful that we allow it to be that way.

there were some during the Texas Equasearch..Tim had to pull lots of people for Caylee....I remember hearing it at that time...

 

[zoey]

:sick:

Absolutely not! IMO, volunteers and people who donate money should be more careful! There are some evil people out there.

I do have a question though. Are people shocked ICA knew her daughter was dead the entire time? Or are they shocked she is admiting it?

Hadn't thought of it this way....I guess I shouldn't be shocked that everyone has been put to blame except the inmate....I'm just disgusted with this whole defense--the lives of those who knew her and were just witnesses attacked on the stand by her team---and her glares at the them while they testifiy....

 

[GutFeeling!]

I have a question for you fine sleuthers, I can't seem to find an answer in these many threads here. Can any of you recall if GA actually saw Caylee walk out of the house on her own accord on the 16th?...or was KC carrying a seemingly sleeping child. I have some suspicion that little Caylee was actually killed in her mothers bedroom during the early morning hours of June 16, 2008 (Mon)
03:22am - 07:30am when there was no phone or computer activity in that household. It appears from the logs that KC never slept and was always using her phone or computer in the days before her daughter vanished off the face of the earth, the only down time is mentioned above?

TIA

When George spoke to police originally he described what Caylee was wearing and that she had a backpack (white one) ... no mention of the child being asleep.

This can be found here: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4825322/Casey-Anthony-George-Anthony-interview

BUT from my memory he went out to wave them off and blew them a kiss, what he would normally do. (too tired to look at my notes lol

 

[zoey]

Maybe TES could sue Casey in civil court.
All the money spent searching for Caylee while all along ICA knew she was dead, died June 16th and Baez admitted it in court.
Not that TES would get any money back...but I am not opposed to the idea of another Judgement levied against Casey...

EXCEPT the inmate didn't call them......CA did.....

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Yep. It's abuse of the system (how much did she make on the photos? How long have they strung out this trial?) How many jobs could have been saved by just the expense of this trial?

"The Florida Department of Children and Families began issuing layoff notices Thursday to nearly 500 employees — a move officials said would save taxpayers $48 million while preserving the agency's protection and care of abused and neglected kids."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/os-dcf-layoffs-20110526,0,1553189.story

In light of all that - I about fell out of my chair when Mason started mumbling about a "mistrial"...In the midst of this ongoing outrage of a case, to have him float that word about is infuriating. These attorneys care NOTHING about anything but setting Casey free. I have to think this is far beyond the boundaries of what our system was envisioned to be.

 

[GutFeeling!]

In light of all that - I about fell out of my chair when Mason started mumbling about a "mistrial"...In the midst of this ongoing outrage of a case, to have him float that word about is infuriating. These attorneys care NOTHING about anything but setting Casey free. I have to think this is far beyond the boundaries of what our system was envisioned to be.

There would be more mistrial requestions and objections to every item the DT wanted out ... every.single.time.

 

[jumpinjack]

Maybe TES could sue Casey in civil court.
All the money spent searching for Caylee while all along ICA knew she was dead, died June 16th and Baez admitted it in court.
Not that TES would get any money back...but I am not opposed to the idea of another Judgement levied against Casey...

No case to be had there. Tim Miller knew something was hinky the first day he went to the Anthony's home and George's law enforcement friend from Ohio told Tim that George knows the answers are in that (Casey's) room "and the ***** won't talk." Tim still made the decision to stay on and search, which he later admitted was at the expense of other missing individuals, because he was concerned for Caylee.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I have a question for you fine sleuthers, I can't seem to find an answer in these many threads here. Can any of you recall if GA actually saw Caylee walk out of the house on her own accord on the 16th?...or was KC carrying a seemingly sleeping child. I have some suspicion that little Caylee was actually killed in her mothers bedroom during the early morning hours of June 16, 2008 (Mon)
03:22am - 07:30am when there was no phone or computer activity in that household. It appears from the logs that KC never slept and was always using her phone or computer in the days before her daughter vanished off the face of the earth, the only down time is mentioned above?

TIA

Good Question, wish I could answer it. I thought that Caylee was carried out by Casey, but it has been so long. You may want to look at George's original police statement. It may say there, but I think the reports just say what Caylee was wearing and the time Casey left with her in the am and George left after watching his show which was around 12-1PM. I may be totally wrong though it has been so long. Sorry I could not be of much help.

 

[Leomoon80]

Ref: 172: Darlie Routier verdict referenced:

There are many people today, who believe Darlie Routier is innocent on Death Row. A video of questionable behavior (and for many on the jury who didn't see Darlier's bruises , cuts and serious injuries) only saw a clip of her on the sons birthday commemeration, with the silly string celebration her family all say, they always did to remember the boys).......does not then prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Darlie killed her children.

People often frown upon other's behaviors. That does not prove however, they killed their children.

It's true per the jury that Darlie "got the needle" i.e. Death Row accdg.to the jury they disapproved of this video clip.

But it's also true that they had very little evidence to prove that Darlie actually killed her boys if any.

There is serious questionable doubt because there was a man in the neighborhood who was breaking into homes and knifing people and dropping socks in the alleyways.

Darlie's sock was found in the alleyway.

Bad behavior such as CA is very damning, but not evidence of a murder, nor is bad behavior when a man runs around on his wife, as their lawyers ALWAYS remind a jury, evidence of a murder either.

This is also one practical reason, why I disapprove of the Death Penalty, there have been quite a few innocent people put to death in the past based on jurys who couldn't get beyond "bad behaviors".

 

[Trooper514]

Ref: 172: Darlie Routier verdict referenced:

There are many people today, who believe Darlie Routier is innocent on Death Row. A video of questionable behavior (and for many on the jury who didn't see Darlier's bruises , cuts and serious injuries) only saw a clip of her on the sons birthday commemeration, with the silly string celebration her family all say, they always did to remember the boys).......does not then prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Darlie killed her children.

People often frown upon other's behaviors. That does not prove however, they killed their children.

It's true per the jury that Darlie "got the needle" i.e. Death Row accdg.to the jury they disapproved of this video clip.

But it's also true that they had very little evidence to prove that Darlie actually killed her boys if any.

There is serious questionable doubt because there was a man in the neighborhood who was breaking into homes and knifing people and dropping socks in the alleyways.

Darlie's sock was found in the alleyway.

Bad behavior such as CA is very damning, but not evidence of a murder, nor is bad behavior when a man runs around on his wife, as their lawyers ALWAYS remind a jury, evidence of a murder either.

This is also one practical reason, why I disapprove of the Death Penalty, there have been quite a few innocent people put to death in the past based on jurys who couldn't get beyond "bad behaviors".

True that bad or questionable behavior doesn't prove that they killed, however, forensics does. Forensic tests have shown that the blood spatter and cast off on the BACK of Darlie's shirt is consistent with her wielding a bloody knife. Her story is damning as well. Her story does not correlate with the evidence. If she didn't kill those boys, Damon's injuries would not have allowed him to do anything but gasp and gurgle for breath, not stand up and say, "mommy" or even walk behind her for any distance as per her story. Darlie's injuries, most especially the bruises, can be produced by hitting your arm on a hard surface. I call BS on her injuries.

As for the man breaking into homes in the area, I live in the area. That was inaccurate. There was no serial break ins or serial raping as was stated.

As per CA, if she's not guilty of killing her kid, why did it take 30 days to let the police know the child was missing? Why did the FBI find hairs consistent with Caylee's in CA's car trunk that also show signs of decomposition.

I'm not a fan of the death penalty, but I'd personally rather die than live the rest of my life in prison.

 

[cyberborg]

The remains being scattered would be expected because of the flooding and animals. the autopsy stated that marks were found on some of the bones showing wildlife had got to her (which totally breaks my heart, even if she couldn't feel a thing). When muscle and sinew breaks some bones will naturally fall away eg baby teeth (they lack a strong root hold on the jaw)

Clothes too disintergrate even before an animal rips it to get to ... you know the rest, I don't want to type it

... Which makes the Defense OS about RK so silly. RK supposedly found and hid the body to later gain fame and reward? -- however the body was spread across 1/2 acre in mud, in animal holes and had to be sifted to recover as well as plant growth in what was intact. Doh!

So I am sure that JB just wants to use RK's knowledge and find to taint the dump site crime scene and everything that ties to the A's and ICA so the burden is shared by GA and RK distancing ICA.

Silly story but one just to remove ICA from any involvement and responsibility ... She was busy with her Bella Vita while these guys were committing crimes.

 

[Meemom]

Good Question, wish I could answer it. I thought that Caylee was carried out by Casey, but it has been so long. You may want to look at George's original police statement. It may say there, but I think the reports just say what Caylee was wearing and the time Casey left with her in the am and George left after watching his show which was around 12-1PM. I may be totally wrong though it has been so long. Sorry I could not be of much help.

It depends on which version GA said. IIRC, he has said he watched them go out the door, that Caylee came and kissed him goodbye, and another that he put Caylee in the car seat, so who knows what actually happened and what he saw-:banghead:

 

[Hisimage]

Hard to believe really, since she was found in the big trouble shirt and jean shorts. If she drowned, why was she changed? Was it because it would be too obvious that a bathing suit was missing? That's the only reason I can think of. But I can't get away from the clothing, the duct tape, diaper, and chloroform. All of which do not point to an accidental drowning with GA cradling Caylee in his arms. So very sad.

MOO

Mel

I think if she did drown (don't believe this theory told by JB) that their story is she wandered out. There was no mention of her swimming with anyone. So in other words, they are leading the jury to believe Caylee was dressed in regular clothing when she wandered into the pool.

 

[tankgirl]

Ref: 172: Darlie Routier verdict referenced:

There are many people today, who believe Darlie Routier is innocent on Death Row. A video of questionable behavior (and for many on the jury who didn't see Darlier's bruises , cuts and serious injuries) only saw a clip of her on the sons birthday commemeration, with the silly string celebration her family all say, they always did to remember the boys).......does not then prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Darlie killed her children.

People often frown upon other's behaviors. That does not prove however, they killed their children.

It's true per the jury that Darlie "got the needle" i.e. Death Row accdg.to the jury they disapproved of this video clip.

But it's also true that they had very little evidence to prove that Darlie actually killed her boys if any.

There is serious questionable doubt because there was a man in the neighborhood who was breaking into homes and knifing people and dropping socks in the alleyways.

Darlie's sock was found in the alleyway.

Bad behavior such as CA is very damning, but not evidence of a murder, nor is bad behavior when a man runs around on his wife, as their lawyers ALWAYS remind a jury, evidence of a murder either.

This is also one practical reason, why I disapprove of the Death Penalty, there have been quite a few innocent people put to death in the past based on jurys who couldn't get beyond "bad behaviors".

Leomoon, I believe that there certainly are cases where the death penalty is warranted. But, as it is impossible to un-execute a person who is later found to be innocent, very stringent qualifications must apply. To my mind, unless the crime is documented, the killer is caught red-handed, or there is more than ample physical evidence and witness testimony, there is no room for more killing.