KC standing by kidnap story per Lawyers

  • #361
How did KC pay the nanny any records of payment to Zenaida or did Zanny watch Caylee for free because her parents were so well off that they supported thier daughter so she could watch other people children for free ...No wait KC did'nt have a job so why did she need a nanny? KC has painted herself into a corner and she is going down..
 
  • #362
I believe it's #3... Casey handed her off at BP.

My thoughts exactly....HANDED her off?
Another note on the first story...we all know Zani did not live in Sawgrass ...then KC, can you tell us where she REALLY lived? If there really was a nanny, she had to have a home somewhere!
End of story.
 
  • #363
...Question: has anyone on the defense side, or Casey, or anyone in the family ever said there were no witnesses to the 'kidnapping'?
...
(putting on coffee now)...

Not really, that I can recall.

HOWEVER,

If they have a thousand witnesses to the event, if they plan to use it defending, they might want to hold a lottery to determine which ones will be placed on the defense witness list!!!
Furthermore, the Criminal Rules of Procedure seem to get all cranky when the defense performs this ministerial task after the trial and not in a timely manner before the trial.
We cannot decide with darts, which supposed witnesses to the event will be testifying, as those are tied up in the "who goes first for the defense competition." :coffeecup:
 
  • #364
Excellent legal point.

Any way the info can get introduced w/o KC taking the stand? If the prosecution witnesses mention it, doesn't it open the door?

Every word uttered by this psycho PRIOR to trial, i.e., jail conversations taped, interviews, etc. IS HER TESTIMONY. She doesn't need to take the stand and WON'T. She smoked herself the minute she opened her mouth. Sociopaths think they're above everyone, particulary law enforcement. They love to talk and talk, and she sure did.
 
  • #365
I have never started a thread before and lord knows we have a lot of threads on this case...but I see a lot of posters talking about the fact that Casey should be coming clean now with this kidnapping story now that a body has been found. What story will she come up with now and what gaps should she be able to fill in?

For example, if she paid this Nanny so much money, there should for certain be a money trail indicating this.
 
  • #366
My thoughts exactly....HANDED her off?
Another note on the first story...we all know Zani did not live in Sawgrass ...then KC, can you tell us where she REALLY lived? If there really was a nanny, she had to have a home somewhere!
End of story.

Unfortunately, this isn't the end of the story. If KC wants to stick with the nanny did it-then she has to come up with something to plug up all the holes in the story if she expects the jury to buy it. The defense team has got to sit with her and tell her straight out that her story about Zanni needs to be airtight. Reasonable doubt cuts both ways-it only takes one juror not buying the nanny kidnapping theory.
I think they need to add a screenwriter from Hollywood to the Scheme Team to make it complete!!::online::deal:
 
  • #367
Not really, that I can recall.

HOWEVER,

If they have a thousand witnesses to the event, if they plan to use it defending, they might want to hold a lottery to determine which ones will be placed on the defense witness list!!!
Furthermore, the Criminal Rules of Procedure seem to get all cranky when the defense performs this ministerial task after the trial and not in a timely manner before the trial.
We cannot decide with darts, which supposed witnesses to the event will be testifying, as those are tied up in the "who goes first for the defense competition." :coffeecup:

IIRC, there are only 3 witnesses currently listed for defense, correct?

So.. wouldn't be much of a dart game to pick 'firsties'?
 
  • #368
I expect they'll bring a fresh hot potato to the courtroom each day to pass amongst themselves ;)

"You do it."
"No YOU do it. I did it yesterday."
"I'm not doing it."
"Let's get Baez. He'll say anything."
"High five!"

:floorlaugh:
 
  • #369
IIRC, there are only 3 witnesses currently listed for defense, correct?

So.. wouldn't be much of a dart game to pick 'firsties'?


True and none of them has the personal knowledge to offer this testimony.

That leaves my 1000 "pretend" witnesses. They have forensics people listed, only, I believe.
 
  • #370
Not a chance in hell.
 
  • #371
No....
 
  • #372
According to Jb she is going to stick with the kidnapping only problem is there are 2 different stories which one will she choose??? I think they have dug some pretty big holes for the defense. Cindy has talked waaaaay too much. Ang Ga has told a completely different story to FBI. Gonna be interesting to say the least. Wonder what old LA gonna say!!! Bet that will be good. jmo
 
  • #373
Every word uttered by this psycho PRIOR to trial, i.e., jail conversations taped, interviews, etc. IS HER TESTIMONY. She doesn't need to take the stand and WON'T. She smoked herself the minute she opened her mouth. Sociopaths think they're above everyone, particulary law enforcement. They love to talk and talk, and she sure did.


Everything the defendant said is still governed by the same rules of evidence that determine what can come in at trial.

The defendant's words must be admissible for a reason.
Thus, the interpretation that everything goes in, as stated, might be just a little bit too broad.

That said, all the witnesses, are going in with their 5th amendment privilege tucked inside a pocket. Casey can remain silent already.
Other witnesses can refuse to answer the prosecutor on the grounds it may incriminate them. Caveat: Unlike the right of Casey to say nothing and remain silent,
Witnesses cannot invoke that 5th amendment privilege just to get out of testifying about things that make them uncomfy or things they don't want to talk about.
It has to be a legitimate concern about self-incrimination, with an actual basis.
The Judge will have the final call about that and not the actual witness.
So not to worry, if the self-incrimination clause is utilized as an escape method to avoid testifying, it won't work and a Judge will order the witness to testify.
jmho:)
 
  • #374
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! She will stick to that story w/ the Nanny and after being convicted she will sit there stone faced and not say a word- she will never admit to what she did- IMO
 
  • #375
Not a chance. I think she is to the point where she believes her own lies!
 
  • #376
No way. She'll stick to the story that the invisible nanny did it and then dumped the body near her house to either either "send a message" or to "incriminate her".
 
  • #377
I think KC's chance at a plea deal is absolutely, most definitely, 100% gone!!
She gambled her plotting and lying would stand up under investigation, but she didn't count on Caylee's body making a surprise appearance. At least not before trial if ever.
Do you think she will be able to look at pictures of her decomposed daughter at trial? I'm sure the prosecution won't hold back on any of the grisly details that they have uncovered. I can't wait till trial!!:furious:

This could also have been poor advice of counsel. I can't imagine any same professional really believing all her palaver!
 
  • #378
No, I believe she will take the truth to her grave, and by the way, it will be a nicer grave than she gave Caylee.
 
  • #379
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! She will stick to that story w/ the Nanny and after being convicted she will sit there stone faced and not say a word- she will never admit to what she did- IMO

Then they will start all the appeals.
 
  • #380
Hopefully, she will stick with the kidnapping story as there is no evidence and nothing to back up her lies. Easy conviction in my opinion. I am amazed that her lawyers are allowing her to choose that path, instead of confessing to an accidental death and coverup, which members of the jury would find more diffucult to sentence to LWOP or possibly death if the DP is put back on the table.
 

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