GUILTY Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #67

[Gardenista]

Clayton Sandell‏Verified account @Clayton_Sandell
The jury deliberating the #PatrickFrazee case has a question, according to DA Dan May. Prosecutors and defense attorneys are headed back into court. More when we have it. @ABC #KelseyBerreth

 

[dkryder]

Don't pile on me for saying this, but my heart goes out to the defense team of AS & AP. I'm not sure how it all works but I would imagine they are assigned a case and unlucky for them they got the PF case. What I respect in them, is it appears they accepted the old saying "it is what it is" and they never tried to spin a story. They quietly let the trail/case/evidence/witnesses play itself out. As @gitana1 said a while back, they are used to losing. Kudos to them for their service to our justice system and taking a hit on their own reputation. I'll bet they are more than relieved this whole thing is done with (and I also bet they are expecting a guilty verdict and probably agree with it). They are human after all and would not want a PF running free.

they presented the defense that only a fool and idiot would do a murder this way. and then in closing called PF a fool and idiot. i guess that was the clue, maybe?

 

[Niner]

Can someone "tag" me when there is a verdict? TIA!

I'll probably be asleep - let's see if they deliberate for 6 hours (til 5pm) - it will be 2am here....

 

[zea mays]

On Friday - SF gave PF the ASL sign for I love you and he gave it back. Gross. Gag. I'm SO glad she was kept out for the majority of the trial. There is no way the Berreth family needed to see that.

According to these ladies just now...
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They're not live any longer, it's around 13:15

 

[PommyMommy]

Can someone "tag" me when there is a verdict? TIA!

I'll probably be asleep - let's see if they deliberate for 6 hours (til 5pm) - it will be 2am here....

Will do! Sweet dreams. MOO

 

[Simply Southern]

Also, for anyone who might’ve missed it and was looking forward to what would be said in closing? His team ADMITS he wrote those notes.

bbm
@gitana1
Would this be a reason for a mistrial or appeal?

Have you seen the my client is an idiot defense before?

I realize that's all they got, but really....

Moo..

 

[UKslueth2018]

Clayton Sandell‏Verified account @Clayton_Sandell
The jury deliberating the #PatrickFrazee case has a question, according to DA Dan May. Prosecutors and defense attorneys are headed back into court. More when we have it. @ABC #KelseyBerreth

Wonder what they want to know??

I hate the waiting... can’t imagine how unbearable it must be for her family... knowing all the torment he put her through that last day.. justice has to be served to that idiot

 

[Aydrianna523]

Thank everyone so much! Had some responsibilities this week so I appreciate how everyone helps us to keep up, and also helps explain things to us amateurs. Thx to the moderators as well.
Even though it can get boring sticking to the facts, it only confuses things if you don't.
Waiting waiting tic toc.
I'm also (like someone said yesterday) am going to give up on the judicial system if they can't convict with all this evidence!!

 

[tmar]

Yes, written on jail stationery.

PF wrote on one of his own jail receipts.
Stupid, Oh Yea.

 

[Marysmith]

FYI, I saw a case the other night on Forensic Files in which the jury was out 35 minutes...that’s the shortest I’ve ever seen, not sure if any of you have seen shorter?

I’m going to guess it will be quick, moo. 4 hours MAX.

ETA: not even that.
I’m going to say 2 hours MAX, moo.

ETA2:
My final answer-90 minutes.

I so hope you’re right! I have lost a bit of faith with the system but so hoping for justice in this case.

 

[lindaromas]

I meant to write the time down of the last tweet on closing - trying to see how long the defenses takes for their argument(s).

I'm going with 11:18 from Pommy's post.... 11:18 a.m. on 11-18-19

Nikki Battiste on Twitter
BREAKING: The jurors in the #PatrickFrazee murder trial in the death of his fiance, #KelseyBerreth is now beginning their deliberations. They’re considering eight charges, including first degree murder, solicitation to murder and tampering with a deceased body. @CBSNews
11:18 AM - 18 Nov 2019

Clayton Sandell on Twitter
BREAKING: The jury in the #PatrickFrazee trial is now deliberating. His defense attorney concluded by questioning the credibility of Krystal Lee and evidence, saying “This case has been built on a foundation it cannot support. Patrick Frazee is not guilty.” #KelseyBerreth @ABC
11:18 AM - 18 Nov 2019

 

[scdiv]

Yes. It’s been asked many times here soLots of people are worried.

I don’t think any of the attorneys are however.

His team was solid. They just didn’t have anything to work with. I saw nothing they did or didn’t do that would rise to the level of ineffective assistance.

Of course sometimes things come out later- like failure to introduce exculpatory evidence.

But if these are CO public defenders I’ve been very impressed with CO public defenders from other counties. I’m assuming state wide they’re pretty good.

Anyhow, lack of evidence or argument doesn’t make counsel ineffective. They worked with what they had which was nothing.

Successful appeals on that basis are super rare because they are super hard to win. Any appeal is for that matter.

Even just the little pieces we have heard show the public defenders are filing all the appropriate motions, argued to have the felony murder/robbery charge dropped, argued for lesser charges, etc. It seems like they are making all the appropriate arguments. The judge listens -- then makes his ruling, not in their favor. But it doesn't mean they didn't try. I fully agree with you - I don't think the public defenders are incompetent -- just that their idiot client has given them almost nothing to work with.

So it would be too stupid to kill her in Thanksgiving and not the night before in the middle of nowhere. Thus he didn’t do it. Oh and they admit their client’s an idiot.

Poor things. They have nothing. Very satisfying defense closing.

It would be too stupid to kill her on Thanksgiving and not the night before in the middle of nowhere.... but we agree, our client is stupid.

Also, who knows maybe that was his plan to kill her the night before if not for his stomach issues...

 

[PommyMommy]

Clayton Sandell‏Verified account @Clayton_Sandell
The jury deliberating the #PatrickFrazee case has a question, according to DA Dan May. Prosecutors and defense attorneys are headed back into court. More when we have it. @ABC #KelseyBerreth

Adding timestamp: 12:52 PM - 18 Nov 2019

1 hr, 37 minutes into deliberations. MOO

 

[Simply Southern]

Clayton Sandell‏Verified account @Clayton_Sandell
The jury deliberating the #PatrickFrazee case has a question, according to DA Dan May. Prosecutors and defense attorneys are headed back into court. More when we have it. @ABC #KelseyBerreth

Jury question.....

Can we vote for the death penalty?

Moo

 

[Aydrianna523]

Also, for anyone who might’ve missed it and was looking forward to what would be said in closing? His team ADMITS he wrote those notes.

!!

 

[UKslueth2018]

Adding timestamp: 12:52 PM - 18 Nov 2019

1 hr, 37 minutes into deliberations. MOO

Thank you Pommy (and all others xx) for keeping us all up to date... you are awesome xx

 

[PiertotumLocomotor]

Jury question.....

Can we vote for the death penalty?

Moo

LOL.

How glorious would that be?!

 

[oviedo]

Jury question.....

Can we vote for the death penalty?

Moo

I was thinking this very thought - but I don't think they can so what could they be questioning? one of the other charges perhaps?
JMO

 

[margarita25]

Adding timestamp: 12:52 PM - 18 Nov 2019

1 hr, 37 minutes into deliberations. MOO

Oh, they’re already 97 minutes in?

ETA:
Ok I bet we will get a verdict by 3pm.
Moooooooooo JMoooooooo Imooooo
5 at the LATeST.

 

[MsBetsy]

I figured that's their only shot, a diminished capacity defence. He's too Stoopid for his own good.
MOO

Too late for that, now!