GUILTY Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #67

[AgeofAquaruis]

Well add me to the list. 1st Degree!!!

Me too.

 

[dkryder]

It's a no-brainer for us because we've studied the evidence for almost a year, and it is a vast amount of evidence. It wouldn't surprise me if it takes longer than 4 hours but I hope not! MOO

well, if they are discussing if each of them sees a bat under pf shirt then, yup, could be awhile.

 

[crhedBngr]

well, if they are discussing if each of them sees a bat under pf shirt then, yup, could be awhile.

IIRC, wasn't there evidence that PF brought in more than just one bat? And, I'm not talking about under his shirt.

I can't remember . . .

 

[PommyMommy]

Elise Schmelzer on Twitter
Story updated with defense arguments, including #PatrickFrazee's attorney calling his client an idiot. Basic argument? Not enough physical evidence. #KelseyBerreth
1:17 PM - 18 Nov 2019

Kelsey Berreth murder case: Closing arguments begin in Teller County District Court
[...]

The attorney also said testimony that Frazee once told a friend that he figured out a way to kill Berreth and that there’s no crime if there’s no body are examples of Frazee “acting a fool” and not proof of intent. Steigerwald also said the jury should not give too much weight to testimony Friday that Frazee asked a jailmate to kill investigators and witnesses in the case. The notes, which Steigerwald did not deny came from Frazee, are evidence of Frazee cracking under the stress of a potential life sentence, not proof that Frazee is a killer.

“It’s proof of him being an idiot,” Steigerwald said.

[...]

In a brief statement after the defense’s closing arguments, Fourth Judicial District Attorney Dan May asked the jury to “to please stop this defendant from from getting away with murder.”

“He took a bat into Kelsey’s apartment, and he beat her and he beat her and he beat her,” May said. “And at some point during that Kelsey said, ‘Please stop.’ And he beat her, and he beat her.”


BBM (As if we needed any further proof!)

 

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[MsBetsy]

If he did have a bat with him and it wasn't already in the home, it was in the tote to begin with. I always wondered if it was just already at her home by a door. But he could have put it in the tote. That would be the smartest thing to do

Maybe he wrapped it in the sweater and then put it in the tote.

 

[Aydrianna523]

It makes me nervous too. However, they may just need to go over everything the defense said and see what it looks like.

Aren’t the stills from the chest up? Like it doesn’t show his hands or below his chest area?

This jury is made up of mostly country people, right? If so I think they’re likely even more deliberate and less likely to rush a serious decision or come to one fast.

I’m good with that.

Probably. When I was on Grand Jury we all over analyzed everything, and we weren't even supposed to. We were just supposed to indict or not indict.
Maybe this jury got bogged down with all the hundreds of evidence and just want to review D Day (destruction day) facts.

 

[Irmese]

So, any thoughts guys as to anything the jury would possibly find questionable, as to PF’s guilt?

Does everyone here agree it’s a no brainer? Will the jury agree quickly?

With all the charges, will this make it longer to deliberate because they have to go through all of those?

Just rambling. It’s 1:15 in CO now. I feel like they’ll be back soon, based on other cases I’ve seen where the jury takes less than 4 hours. Curious as to @gitana1 ‘s thoughts on this.

ETA: gitana answered above

I feel like it's a slam dunk, but you never know.

 

[enelram]

We must remember that there may be all kinds
of different people on the jury. Smart ones,
average ones, and DUMB ones. We don't know.
They don't ask your IQ during prospective juror
questioning. And that scares me after having sat on a jury and was flummoxed by the simpletons deciding the fate in a pretty serious
crime.

 

[MassGuy]

Maybe he wrapped it in the sweater and then put it in the tote.

I’m pretty sure that’s exactly how it happened.

 

[scdiv]

My hope is that they are taking their jury instructions very seriously and going through pieces of evidence, even for the sake of saying, yes we looked at that, talked about that, debated that.

Also, I know of cases where the jury has said they spent time looking at the other side and seeing if they could make a case for it, just to voice it out loud and look at all sides.

Let's hope they are just doing their due diligence.

 

[zea mays]

IIRC, wasn't there evidence that PF brought in more than just one bat? And, I'm not talking about under his shirt.

I can't remember . . .

I think you're thinking of the three bats they found at PF's house.

 

[Yellow Rose]

Back from the doctor! Omg! This is making me exceptionally nervous!

 

[dkryder]

IIRC, wasn't there evidence that PF brought in more than just one bat? And, I'm not talking about under his shirt.

I can't remember . . .

i think the issue may be that prosecution said there was a bat under shirt. defense said there was no bat in hand. "nothing in hand"

 

[margarita25]

Yes, ma'am. Don't step away, Magz, you know what'll happen! MOO

I’ll take a nap, lol? This is true. Fading fast...can’t wait to wake up and see @mustloveco ‘s photos and to “like” the guilty verdict. Can I request that you post it in big letters?

ETA:
Like remember when I was transcribing the Watts hearings, and when the Judge said “Now Bailiff, I ask that you excort Mr. Watts to the federal penitentiary for the rest of his natural life?” Oh that was so golden. I kept rewinding it.

Sadly, nothing will ever bring Kelsey back. But another BEAST will be behind bars.

 

[Evilactionfigure]

Do you guys think it’s too late to head to the courthouse?! I’m about half
Hour away

No! Run like the wind to the courthouse as if the hounds of hell are at your feet.
Go. Gooooooo!
Godspeed.

 

[katydid23]

TOTAL=Votes for First Degree Murder = 43QUOTE]

No doubt 1st Degree! Total=32 votes!

Hey my husband says he wants to vote too!!
Guilty!!!

Newest TOTAL= VOTES for First Degree Murder= 45

 

[lindaromas]

It would have taken me 4 days, not 4 hours.

I would have opened the door and tossed my cookies everywhere!

 

[margarita25]

I feel like it's a slam dunk, but you never know.

Yeah for real. They found her tooth for goodness sakes (not to mention...)

It would be an atrocity if it was anything but. I think anyone with any kind of brain cells would put him away.

 

[ilovewings]

Elise Schmelzer on Twitter
Story updated with defense arguments, including #PatrickFrazee's attorney calling his client an idiot. Basic argument? Not enough physical evidence. #KelseyBerreth
1:17 PM - 18 Nov 2019

Kelsey Berreth murder case: Closing arguments begin in Teller County District Court
[...]

The attorney also said testimony that Frazee once told a friend that he figured out a way to kill Berreth and that there’s no crime if there’s no body are examples of Frazee “acting a fool” and not proof of intent. Steigerwald also said the jury should not give too much weight to testimony Friday that Frazee asked a jailmate to kill investigators and witnesses in the case. The notes, which Steigerwald did not deny came from Frazee, are evidence of Frazee cracking under the stress of a potential life sentence, not proof that Frazee is a killer.

“It’s proof of him being an idiot,” Steigerwald said.

[...]

(As if we needed any further proof!) [/QUOTE


Dont you just love defense attorney spin?