Kiomarie and other issues

[Brini]

The Lumberton house is one block over from Hopespring. I'm reading 'tween the lines that either

(a) some kids rifled through the garage of the house that burned...discovered the wallet/cards and tossed them near Suburban...circa late-Summer '07...and there the wallet & Sears card remained 'till they were discovered in the detailed search of the area, or

(b) Mr. Monforte...not having much space @ the Residence Inn...and familliar w/ the Suburban Dr. location as a 'dump' site chose to exercise it as a convenient way to get rid of things from the burned home...circa late-Summer '07, or

(3) Perhaps a contractor that cleaned up after the fire in '07 chose to dump some items from the house clean-up at the Suburban Dr. location. It was convenient..and in the Summer not well-traveled w/ school out of session.

I'd hafta look @ the grid to see where the wallet was found in relation to the other items...but, esp. considering the seasonal flooding that would've happened, there was ample opportunity for it to have migrated quite a distance from where it was originally tossed. Also, FWIW...Mr. Monforte said it was an "old" wallet even in '07. With the way that area was overgrown before the discovery...I think one could've just about stepped right on an old wallet and not known it...IMHO.

That area was also under water in the late summer.

Not sure whether or how the wallet might have washed.

 

[Muzikman]

Thanks but I was hoping for that report that's being discussed. The link provided is a blogger instead of media so I'm not sure how much confidence to place in the source, kwim?

OK, I'm sure I must have this summary report somewhere. Let me look...

 

[JBean]

I am not giving much leeway on this thread and I am being up front about that.
If you post and people respond to your post with a quote it creates a problem if you repost or edit your original post without noting on the bottom that you have recreated or edited your post.
So I removed all the conversation that was generated off of a post that was changed without notice.
I know deleting all the posts is a bit of overkill and I apologize for that. However, in this case I am not going to give any wiggle room. If something has the potential to create a probelm(which this did ) I am going to over moderate.
It's that or dump the thread completely.

ETA: The issue of discussion was fine if you all want to revisit. But it was just moving in the wrong direction because a post was changed, most likely for innoent reasons,but changed nonetheless.
So, again I know some posts did not ned to be deleted,but the ones that were deleted created holes to the responses and it is a domino effect.

 

[JBean]

Me too.

No diss to any poster. But, JBean gave us an impressive demonstration, yesterday, of how a message can be distorted and carried over across just a FEW posts.

That's how we have ended up with rumors and accidental distortions that became "facts."

Not even necessarily intentionally. Just like playing a game of "gossip" when we were kids.

She's right! We need to substantiate, or clearly state that the post is opinion, consistently.

This is why when someone asks for a link it should not be a put off to any posters. It is just a way to keep all of us on the right path. It can be a game of operator and that is not uncommon. One person misreads, misunderstands, or takes an opinion as fact accidentally and it grows legs so fast it makes your head spin.

Sometimes posters take it personal when asked for a link because they read it as "i don't believe you". But that is not what is being implied. Rather, we just want to confirm that the understanding that we are going to carry forward is accurate.

ETA: Go read the first couple pages of the Book in the Woods Book Lamination thread if you want a great example of sloppy journalism that creates a 'fact" that is then carried forward.

 

[lin]

OK, I'm sure I must have this summary report somewhere. Let me look...

You've already done more than enough for us all today! (As always.) I'll dig it up on my own later when I have more time. Thanks tho!

 

[Balthazar]

I spent some time thinking about what it is that really bothers me about KMTC's LE interview. And I think I finally figured it out.

I want to state up front, I DO NOT think that KMTC is guilty of anything or had anything whatsoever to do with Caylee's disappearance and death.

There are clearly inconsistencies in KMTC's statement that I hope LE checked out completely. But what really bothers me is that this statement was made all of 4 days after Caylee was first reported missing. KMTC tells LE that she and Casey were "best friends" in high school and then says that when she heard that Casey borrowed a shovel, the first thing KMTC thought of was that Caylee was dead and buried somewhere in the woods where they used to hang out. I am having trouble wrapping my mind around the idea that a "best friend", would immediately jump to that conclusion. If I were in KMTC's position and my "best friend" from high school was in Casey's situation, 4 days into the investigation, I would initially want to believe that her child was kidnapped. I would not jump to the conclusion that she was a murderess because she borrowed a shovel and be calling LE and telling them all this stuff about my best friend being a liar, that she never wanted her child, and so on - at least, not a mere four days into the case. Initially, I'd want to help my friend and see if I could get any information from her.

Looking at the statement KMTC made, I think that something really bad must have happened between KMTC and Casey in the past and that the overall tone of the statement reflects bad blood between the two women. The thing is, LE did not seek out KMTC, she sought them out. KMTC had no real reason to get involved in this mess, but she chose to involve herself. I'm trying to understand what motivated her to do that.

 

[lin]

I spent some time thinking about what it is that really bothers me about KMTC's LE interview. And I think I finally figured it out.

I want to state up front, I DO NOT think that KMTC is guilty of anything or had anything whatsoever to do with Caylee's disappearance and death.

There are clearly inconsistencies in KMTC's statement that I hope LE checked out completely. But what really bothers me is that this statement was made all of 4 days after Caylee was first reported missing. KMTC tells LE that she and Casey were "best friends" in high school and then says that when she heard that Casey borrowed a shovel, the first thing KMTC thought of was that Caylee was dead and buried somewhere in the woods where they used to hang out. I am having trouble wrapping my mind around the idea that a "best friend", would immediately jump to that conclusion. If I were in KMTC's position and my "best friend" from high school was in Casey's situation, 4 days into the investigation, I would initially want to believe that her child was kidnapped. I would not jump to the conclusion that she was a murderess because she borrowed a shovel and be calling LE and telling them all this stuff about my best friend being a liar, that she never wanted her child, and so on - at least, not a mere four days into the case. Initially, I'd want to help my friend and see if I could get any information from her.

Looking at the statement KMTC made, I think that something really bad must have happened between KMTC and Casey in the past and that the overall tone of the statement reflects bad blood between the two women. The thing is, LE did not seek out KMTC, she sought them out. KMTC had no real reason to get involved in this mess, but she chose to involve herself. I'm trying to understand what motivated her to do that.

Thanks for explaining your concerns. According to This Transcript Kio was urged by Mr. Bailey to contact LE. She was not the only one of KC's friends to contact LE rather than wait to be contacted, nor was she the only "friend" who seemed to think KC was capable of that which she was accused. Remember, KC was arrested day 32; within 24 hours, iirc, of the 911 calls. Many of us had KC's number within four days. I don't find it strange at all for Kio to have had it too. jmo

ETA: I find those that knew KC that were unable or unwilling to put the pieces together when it really wasn't that much of a puzzle to be more suspect. Again, jmo.

 

[Oakley]

I spent some time thinking about what it is that really bothers me about KMTC's LE interview. And I think I finally figured it out.

I want to state up front, I DO NOT think that KMTC is guilty of anything or had anything whatsoever to do with Caylee's disappearance and death.

There are clearly inconsistencies in KMTC's statement that I hope LE checked out completely. But what really bothers me is that this statement was made all of 4 days after Caylee was first reported missing. KMTC tells LE that she and Casey were "best friends" in high school and then says that when she heard that Casey borrowed a shovel, the first thing KMTC thought of was that Caylee was dead and buried somewhere in the woods where they used to hang out. I am having trouble wrapping my mind around the idea that a "best friend", would immediately jump to that conclusion. If I were in KMTC's position and my "best friend" from high school was in Casey's situation, 4 days into the investigation, I would initially want to believe that her child was kidnapped. I would not jump to the conclusion that she was a murderess because she borrowed a shovel and be calling LE and telling them all this stuff about my best friend being a liar, that she never wanted her child, and so on - at least, not a mere four days into the case. Initially, I'd want to help my friend and see if I could get any information from her.

Looking at the statement KMTC made, I think that something really bad must have happened between KMTC and Casey in the past and that the overall tone of the statement reflects bad blood between the two women. The thing is, LE did not seek out KMTC, she sought them out. KMTC had no real reason to get involved in this mess, but she chose to involve herself. I'm trying to understand what motivated her to do that.

I agree about the possible 'bad blood' or at least doubting the 'best friends' part. However, if KMTC had a strong feeling from what she knew of Casey that this might have happened, it was right of her to go to LE and tell her 'hunch.' She wasn't too far off base it seems.

ETA: Could be at one point in time Casey and KMTC were 'best friends.'

 

[marspiter]

I spent some time thinking about what it is that really bothers me about KMTC's LE interview. And I think I finally figured it out.

I want to state up front, I DO NOT think that KMTC is guilty of anything or had anything whatsoever to do with Caylee's disappearance and death.

There are clearly inconsistencies in KMTC's statement that I hope LE checked out completely. But what really bothers me is that this statement was made all of 4 days after Caylee was first reported missing. KMTC tells LE that she and Casey were "best friends" in high school and then says that when she heard that Casey borrowed a shovel, the first thing KMTC thought of was that Caylee was dead and buried somewhere in the woods where they used to hang out. I am having trouble wrapping my mind around the idea that a "best friend", would immediately jump to that conclusion. If I were in KMTC's position and my "best friend" from high school was in Casey's situation, 4 days into the investigation, I would initially want to believe that her child was kidnapped. I would not jump to the conclusion that she was a murderess because she borrowed a shovel and be calling LE and telling them all this stuff about my best friend being a liar, that she never wanted her child, and so on - at least, not a mere four days into the case. Initially, I'd want to help my friend and see if I could get any information from her.

Looking at the statement KMTC made, I think that something really bad must have happened between KMTC and Casey in the past and that the overall tone of the statement reflects bad blood between the two women. The thing is, LE did not seek out KMTC, she sought them out. KMTC had no real reason to get involved in this mess, but she chose to involve herself. I'm trying to understand what motivated her to do that.

That does rise an interesting question and good point. My question would be has anyone else besides the A's come out to defend Casey? Has anyone in her group of friends or extended family talked about how shocked and dismayed they were at the thought of Casey doing any of what she's been accused of and continued to support Casey? I remember a few comments about how some thought she was a good mom but nothing to the point of being absolutely shocked at the allegations, and to my recollection no one really came out to support Casey.

That and I don't think any of them came off as being completely shocked by Casey's lies. It was more I can't believe she did it (lied and/or stole) to me. Not I can't believe she did it.

If I recall Cindy's own brother also came forward too, talking about how that part of the family lies for her and he didn't exactly express disbelief in what Casey is accused of.

Course all of this is just my own rambling while I think why Kio might have come forward. Could be she really learned to care for Caylee much the way the rest of America has, but unlike the rest of America had the actual chance to know her. Then seeing the early lies and evidence coming out she felt a need to come forward with their old childhood hang out. Maybe something in her said you know.... Casey was always a bit off I wouldn't exactly put it past her.... The only person that knows is why she came forward is Kio.

 

[JBean]

If I were in KMTC's position and my "best friend" from high school was in Casey's situation, 4 days into the investigation, I would initially want to believe that her child was kidnapped.

If it was only 4 days that Caylee had been missing and that investigation were 4 days old, then I would agree 100%. But, imo, it's those 31 days that really made friends sit up and take notice because it makes no sense on any level.
It's just too long.

 

[sumbunny]

I spent some time thinking about what it is that really bothers me about KMTC's LE interview. And I think I finally figured it out.

I want to state up front, I DO NOT think that KMTC is guilty of anything or had anything whatsoever to do with Caylee's disappearance and death.

There are clearly inconsistencies in KMTC's statement that I hope LE checked out completely. But what really bothers me is that this statement was made all of 4 days after Caylee was first reported missing. KMTC tells LE that she and Casey were "best friends" in high school and then says that when she heard that Casey borrowed a shovel, the first thing KMTC thought of was that Caylee was dead and buried somewhere in the woods where they used to hang out. I am having trouble wrapping my mind around the idea that a "best friend", would immediately jump to that conclusion. If I were in KMTC's position and my "best friend" from high school was in Casey's situation, 4 days into the investigation, I would initially want to believe that her child was kidnapped. I would not jump to the conclusion that she was a murderess because she borrowed a shovel and be calling LE and telling them all this stuff about my best friend being a liar, that she never wanted her child, and so on - at least, not a mere four days into the case. Initially, I'd want to help my friend and see if I could get any information from her.

Looking at the statement KMTC made, I think that something really bad must have happened between KMTC and Casey in the past and that the overall tone of the statement reflects bad blood between the two women. The thing is, LE did not seek out KMTC, she sought them out. KMTC had no real reason to get involved in this mess, but she chose to involve herself. I'm trying to understand what motivated her to do that.

Love for caylee or other innocent children? Attempting to be a good citizen?
Endless reasons for getting involved if she felt she could shed light.

I know i'd do the same.

 

[Balthazar]

If it was only 4 days that Caylee had been missing and that investigation were 4 days old, then I would agree 100%. But, imo, it's those 31 days that really made friends sit up and take notice because it makes no sense on any level.
It's just too long.

I agree that the 31 day aspect is bizarre. I just struggle with the claiming to be "best friends" for all those years and then making that type of accusation so quickly and easily without having a chance to talk to Casey directly first. There must be more to the story between these two women than we know.

 

[Balthazar]

That does rise an interesting question and good point. My question would be has anyone else besides the A's come out to defend Casey? Has anyone in her group of friends or extended family talked about how shocked and dismayed they were at the thought of Casey doing any of what she's been accused of and continued to support Casey? I remember a few comments about how some thought she was a good mom but nothing to the point of being absolutely shocked at the allegations, and to my recollection no one really came out to support Casey.

That and I don't think any of them came off as being completely shocked by Casey's lies. It was more I can't believe she did it (lied and/or stole) to me. Not I can't believe she did it.

If I recall Cindy's own brother also came forward too, talking about how that part of the family lies for her and he didn't exactly express disbelief in what Casey is accused of.

Course all of this is just my own rambling while I think why Kio might have come forward. Could be she really learned to care for Caylee much the way the rest of America has, but unlike the rest of America had the actual chance to know her. Then seeing the early lies and evidence coming out she felt a need to come forward with their old childhood hang out. Maybe something in her said you know.... Casey was always a bit off I wouldn't exactly put it past her.... The only person that knows is why she came forward is Kio.

There was some young woman from the neighborhood who appeared once on TV and supported Casey and was never heard from again. She didn't seem to know her very well - just as a neighbor. But no one else came out to support Casey except her mom, dad and brother. None of her immediate friends or any of the people she was hanging out with supported her. I find that a fascinating aspect of this story.

 

[Muzikman]

I agree that the 31 day aspect is bizarre. I just struggle with the claiming to be "best friends" for all those years and then making that type of accusation so quickly and easily without having a chance to talk to Casey directly first. There must be more to the story between these two women than we know.

According to interviews, Casey has left a TRAIL of bad blood and best friends behind her.

Annie says she had a falling out with Casey. Kristine says she had a falling out with Casey. Lee's roommate had a falling out (although they weren't best friends). There may be more I don't remember off the top of my head.

And Casey was about to have a HUGE falling out with new-best-friend Amy.

 

[Muzikman]

There was some young woman from the neighborhood who appeared once on TV and supported Casey and was never heard from again. She didn't seem to know her very well - just as a neighbor. But no one else came out to support Casey except her mom, dad and brother. None of her immediate friends or any of the people she was hanging out with supported her. I find that a fascinating aspect of this story.

Holly, her older friend from down the street (IIRC) supported her in several news stories, and tried to help George and Cindy with the media for a little while.

She didn't last longer than a few months...

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I agree about the possible 'bad blood' or at least doubting the 'best friends' part. However, if KMTC had a strong feeling from what she knew of Casey that this might have happened, it was right of her to go to LE and tell her 'hunch.' She wasn't too far off base it seems.

ETA: Could be at one point in time Casey and KMTC were 'best friends.'

I have a feeling that KC was manipulative enough to make KMTC think she was her best friend. Middle school is a time when KC was probably practicing her "people skills" and learning to manipulate those around her. Having a great deal of experience in secondary education, I can say that the middle school years are the playground for such social development.

 

[LambChop]

I agree that the 31 day aspect is bizarre. I just struggle with the claiming to be "best friends" for all those years and then making that type of accusation so quickly and easily without having a chance to talk to Casey directly first. There must be more to the story between these two women than we know.

I think Kio was a "good" friend who was willing to overlook some of KC's obvious problems with telling the truth but also was quite aware of what KC might be capable of doing. At that young age they tend to think their friends may be acting out because of issues at home and it draws on their sympathy. KC has proven from jail that she can hold out for the long haul and keep that false image up there for everyone to see. She also tells people what they want to hear....except LE because they have told KC her number is up. JMO

 

[Brini]

There was some young woman from the neighborhood who appeared once on TV and supported Casey and was never heard from again. She didn't seem to know her very well - just as a neighbor. But no one else came out to support Casey except her mom, dad and brother. None of her immediate friends or any of the people she was hanging out with supported her. I find that a fascinating aspect of this story.

JG initially supported her.

And, the As, including KC, tried to throw him under the bus.

 

[Brini]

If it was only 4 days that Caylee had been missing and that investigation were 4 days old, then I would agree 100%. But, imo, it's those 31 days that really made friends sit up and take notice because it makes no sense on any level.
It's just too long.

And, it might have brought up some other questions that might have provoked thought, before.

Like, has anybody ever seen ZG?

 

[Jolynna]

I think everyone that ever associated with KC, wonders who KC really is?

The job she said KC went to every day turned out to be a lie. The babysitter she said she took Caylee to every day was a lie. KC obviously didn't spend 31 days searching for Caylee. And on and on and on.

In view of the facts that came out, I think it would be natural for KC's friends to back up and look hard at her. She isn't who they thought she was. I don't blame them for not trusting whatever their perception of KC had been before July 15, 2008.