Knowing all you know today about this case who do you think really killed JonBenet?

Who do you believe killed JonBenet?

  • Patsy

    Votes: 168 25.0%
  • John

    Votes: 44 6.6%
  • Burke

    Votes: 107 15.9%
  • an unknown intruder

    Votes: 86 12.8%
  • BR (head bash), then JR

    Votes: 4 0.6%
  • BR (head bash); then JR & PR (strangled/coverup)

    Votes: 113 16.8%
  • Knowing all I know, still on the fence.

    Votes: 55 8.2%
  • John, with an 'inside' accomplice

    Votes: 11 1.6%
  • I think John and Patsy caught him and he made her cover up

    Votes: 17 2.5%
  • I still have no idea

    Votes: 57 8.5%
  • patsy and john helped cover it up

    Votes: 9 1.3%

  • Total voters
    671
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His prints are on the bowl of pineapple and on the empty glass with the teabag next to the bowl.
His DNA was also found on the pink Barbie nightie that was on top of the white blanket covering the body.
As far as I know, no test was made for saliva on the glass, spoon, or the pineapple in that bowl (which should also have given us JB's DNA).
As we have been told, only 10% of the evidence against the family has been made public, so there may be evidence that these items were tested. I also recall reading that if the public knew ALL of the evidence- there would be NO doubt anyone's mind that the family was involved.

Means nothing his DNA and his fingerprints SHOULD be all over the house. It means nothing.

He did not kill jbr. No proof at all not after the crime either.

No matter what another boy does not at all compare to this case.
 
Means nothing his DNA and his fingerprints SHOULD be all over the house. It means nothing.

He did not kill jbr. No proof at all not after the crime either.

No matter what another boy does not at all compare to this case.

ScarlettScarpetta,
Really, just how do you know all this stuff, do you own a crystal ball?

Some dialog would be helpful, mere assertion is simply that!


BR's touch-dna was found on the Pink Barbie Nightgown, which was located in the wine-cellar.

Since JonBenet wore the pink pajamas the day night before, we can assume that the Pink Barbie Nightgown was fresh out of her pajama drawer.

So with BR's touch-dna on an object located in a staged crime-scene, which belonged to JonBenet, this links him directly to the crime-scene, just as PR and JR's forensic evidence also links them.


BR's fingerprints place him in the same location as JonBenet. His fingerprints are to be found on the pineapple bowl itself. Which moves his status from coincidental e.g. the teaglass, to that of a direct link in the pineapple snack.

In summary BR's biological artifact seems to walk step by step with JonBenet as she moves through the house.

It has been alleged BR's pajama pants were found in JonBenet's bedroom, if this is the case, we have BR's artifact seemingly synchronised with JonBenet's movements?

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Means nothing his DNA and his fingerprints SHOULD be all over the house. It means nothing.

He did not kill jbr. No proof at all not after the crime either.

No matter what another boy does not at all compare to this case.
That's the thing. We don't know who killed JBR. And we don't know who didn't kill her. Yes, BR is not the child in the recent cases posted. The links or references posted were to help illustrate it is possible for those who don't or won't believe kids can kill.
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ScarlettScarpetta,
Really, just how do you know all this stuff, do you own a crystal ball?

Some dialog would be helpful, mere assertion is simply that!


BR's touch-dna was found on the Pink Barbie Nightgown, which was located in the wine-cellar.

Why put so much effort into buttressing meaningless linkage when the linkage already exists. JR/PR/BR occupied the same house the night of the murder. All three are linked by that fact alone. That BR's tdna is on a nightgown means nothing in itself, as there could be a hundred innocent explanations - all of which boil down to this - he touched her nightgown, at some point. Exceptionally unexceptional. That the nightgown was in the WC is important in and of itself, but it adds nothing to any theory of BR's involvement as we do not know when BR touched the nightgown.

Since JonBenet wore the pink pajamas the day night before, we can assume that the Pink Barbie Nightgown was fresh out of her pajama drawer.

We may equally assume that it had been out of the drawer for a couple days, laying on the floor of the bedroom, or folded on the footboard, and so on. The housekeeper was off duty and PR wasnt' much of a tidy freak as far as clothes and such.

So with BR's touch-dna on an object located in a staged crime-scene, which belonged to JonBenet, this links him directly to the crime-scene, just as PR and JR's forensic evidence also links them.

He's already linked by having been in the house. Again, the tdna is virtually meaningless as he may have touched it innocently earlier in the day.

BR's fingerprints place him in the same location as JonBenet. His fingerprints are to be found on the pineapple bowl itself. Which moves his status from coincidental e.g. the teaglass, to that of a direct link in the pineapple snack.

But JBs fingerprints are nowhere on the tea glass, or the bowl. You have failed to put JB at the scene. BR may, as others have suggested, took a few pieces up to her in her room.

In summary BR's biological artifact seems to walk step by step with JonBenet as she moves through the house.

No, it seems she was in her bedroom, then in the basement. Seems the same for the nightgown. No evidence she was ever at the breakfast bar.

It has been alleged BR's pajama pants were found in JonBenet's bedroom, if this is the case, we have BR's artifact seemingly synchronised with JonBenet's movements?

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Aside from the obvious problem of basing an assumption on an allegation, it would seem that her "aritfacts" are unsynchronized. Her PJ bottoms alleged to be in her room cannot be said to have been on her the night of the murder. She appears -by artifact- nowhere at the pineapple party. Sure, she ate pineapple, that's beyond question. But where? She ate at the table w/o touching anything? Her nightgown follows her to the WC, seemingly, but then her ljs also seem to have followed her down there. Obviously one or the other was unsynchronistically brought down at another time, unless you figure she was wearing a pink nightgown over ljs.
 
Why put so much effort into buttressing meaningless linkage when the linkage already exists. JR/PR/BR occupied the same house the night of the murder. All three are linked by that fact alone. That BR's tdna is on a nightgown means nothing in itself, as there could be a hundred innocent explanations - all of which boil down to this - he touched her nightgown, at some point. Exceptionally unexceptional. That the nightgown was in the WC is important in and of itself, but it adds nothing to any theory of BR's involvement as we do not know when BR touched the nightgown.



We may equally assume that it had been out of the drawer for a couple days, laying on the floor of the bedroom, or folded on the footboard, and so on. The housekeeper was off duty and PR wasnt' much of a tidy freak as far as clothes and such.



He's already linked by having been in the house. Again, the tdna is virtually meaningless as he may have touched it innocently earlier in the day.



But JBs fingerprints are nowhere on the tea glass, or the bowl. You have failed to put JB at the scene. BR may, as others have suggested, took a few pieces up to her in her room.



No, it seems she was in her bedroom, then in the basement. Seems the same for the nightgown. No evidence she was ever at the breakfast bar.



Aside from the obvious problem of basing an assumption on an allegation, it would seem that her "aritfacts" are unsynchronized. Her PJ bottoms alleged to be in her room cannot be said to have been on her the night of the murder. She appears -by artifact- nowhere at the pineapple party. Sure, she ate pineapple, that's beyond question. But where? She ate at the table w/o touching anything? Her nightgown follows her to the WC, seemingly, but then her ljs also seem to have followed her down there. Obviously one or the other was unsynchronistically brought down at another time, unless you figure she was wearing a pink nightgown over ljs.



BBM....Agree. There is no evidence JB was in the kitchen. There was an oversize serving spoon in the pineapple bowl. I think if PR was serving the snack to her child, she would have placed a small spoon in the bowl, but I can imagine a child grabbing a large serving spoon. I continue to think BR was maneuvering around the house in the dark with the aid of the flashlight, brought a few pieces of pineapple up to JB in her bedroom and climbed into bed with her with the flashlight. I think the head bash happened in JB's bedroom.
 
Of course they can but they don't fashion garrotes and molest them and then bash their head in when they are dead.
When parents lose it kids are battered, beaten, stabbed, It looks like they lost it. That is not what this is. It is not at all what happened. Not by just the obvious evidence. This is not a case where a parent lost it. This is a case were someone watched this little girl die with pleasure if you ask me. Garotting a 6 yr old baby, Takes something more than the average person can bear.

Is that so, Scarlett? Interesting how some people think they know more than the experts. FBI agent Ron Walker, who was at the Ramsey house on 12/26/96, said this on the A & E program "Anatomy of an Investigation": "Well, as much as it pains me to say it, yes, I've seen parents who have decapitated their children, I've seen cases where parents have drowned their children in bathtubs, I've seen cases where parents have strangled their children, have placed them in paper bags and smothered them, have strapped them in car seats and driven them into a body of water, any way that you can think of that a person can kill another person, almost all those ways are also ways that parents can kill their children."
 
Is that so, Scarlett? Interesting how some people think they know more than the experts. FBI agent Ron Walker, who was at the Ramsey house on 12/26/96, said this on the A & E program "Anatomy of an Investigation": "Well, as much as it pains me to say it, yes, I've seen parents who have decapitated their children, I've seen cases where parents have drowned their children in bathtubs, I've seen cases where parents have strangled their children, have placed them in paper bags and smothered them, have strapped them in car seats and driven them into a body of water, any way that you can think of that a person can kill another person, almost all those ways are also ways that parents can kill their children."

Including sacrificing them.
 
The head blow came first.
Re your opinion that no parent would have staged a scene such a 'stupid' way: one can assume that the minds of such parents - who are under the tremdenous psychological pressure to cover up the true reason for a domestic homicide - don't function in a rational and analytical manner, due to the special situation. That's why one often finds glaring 'mistakes' in staged scenes.

Nice to see you again, Rashomon.

In all honesty, that could be where we're going wrong. We're trying to make sense of the senseless.
 
I'm not quite ready to go that far, yet. But then, if God is real, the devil must be real, too. That's what I was taught.

Since you're here and we are going a bit off topic, I'm going to go further because I found an old post of mine the other day, one you may remember. It was an embarrassment for me because my fast fading brain had forgotten all about it once upon a time when you sourced it here.

It's about Clint Van Zandt on a book tour addressing the Ramsey ransom note:

[ame="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showpost.php?p=127316&postcount=48"]Forums For Justice - View Single Post - Intruder Theory[/ame]

Anyway, I thought of you when I happened upon it again. :blushing:

My apologies to everyone else for the interruption: back to the peanut gallery for me.
 
God IS real. IMO.
I've been following JonBenet's forum for quite sometime. Silently reading...weighing all the DI's...
Carry on...

First, kindly define the word 'God'. No sarcasm intended.

FWIW, a number of people involved in the case believe this concept to be completely on topic.
 
Stop the religious discussion please. :nono:

:tyou:

If it ties in to this case, that's fine. Otherwise, leave it in your back pocket.
 
First, kindly define the word 'God'. No sarcasm intended.

FWIW, a number of people involved in the case believe this concept to be completely on topic.

Many things to many people. But not what you'd think.
I've been talking to dead people for many years. (sometimes they "talk back". The Other Side is very different from most people's religious beliefs about it.
 
Since you're here and we are going a bit off topic, I'm going to go further because I found an old post of mine the other day, one you may remember. It was an embarrassment for me because my fast fading brain had forgotten all about it once upon a time when you sourced it here.

It's about Clint Van Zandt on a book tour addressing the Ramsey ransom note:

Forums For Justice - View Single Post - Intruder Theory

Anyway, I thought of you when I happened upon it again. :blushing:

My apologies to everyone else for the interruption: back to the peanut gallery for me.
Thanks for that link KK. The interruption was welcome. I agree with Clint Van Zandt's assessment. When studying the RN one line at a time, knowing what we know of Patsy, it sounds like her style.
 
Oh look at them, butter wouldn't melt in their mouths.

I personally cannot fathom getting all dressed in black, my makeup did, hair, etc, for a photo shoot to sell a book mainly about myself, on the back of my daughter's murder.

What sort of parent does that? I mean really? Most bereaved moms I have met have a hard time talking about their lost child at all, even decades later...let alone write, publish and market a book about it.

Seriously, what is the psychology behind it? Wouldn't you rather go back to a life of anonymity if you'd been through what these two were subjected to, considering they claim to be totally innocent?

PR was comfortable in the limelight, I guess, from her "beauty queen" days.

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No 6-year old girl should have bruises or blood in her vagina. The hymen should be intact. Unless you are a pediatrician covering up for the sexual abuse of that 6-year old child.

And 6yo little girls should not have a damaged vagina nor a 7" cracked skull on Christmas night or any other time.

Is it easier to believe JDI b/c a mother would never sexually invade her own daughter? It was PR's artist brush.

Is it easier to think BDI b/c how could a daughter's own mother tighten a garrote? The garrote is directly tied by sweater fibers to PR.

It's incomprehensible. Almost. Only, those of us who follow justice for children understand that, unfortunately, moms kill their children in unimaginable ways.


The grand jury wanted to indict and it was not because IDI.

imo
 
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