Knowing all you know today about this case who do you think really killed JonBenet?

[ScarlettScarpetta]

It has no value.

Lots of items are collected as evidence. Often when it's collected, no one knows if it will be of any value or not....

When all is said and done, this TdNA, unless and until it's sourced, is useless. Right now, it means nothing. It's as significant as the other five unsourced people whose TDNA was found on the rope.
You ignoring that fact, proves it means nothing!

There is no way that DNA has no value. It has value. It is not useless that's like saying the DNA of the green river killed is useless. Of course it is useful. The challenge is finding who it belongs to but that makes it useful not useless.

You don't throw DNA out. No csi says " hey we have DNA but since we don't yet know who it belongs to let's just pitch it "

The argument that the DNA is useless is really ridiculous. The problem is that it points to someone other than the R's and tosses RDI right in the compactor.

 

[FrayedKnot]

Then every other DNA sample found on JonBenet, her clothing, rope, blanket, Barbie nightgown, etc., should stand up to the same scrutiny. It is evidence that might belong to the killer, no matter who that killer is or it may be totally innocent.

DNA does not carry a time stamp and there are multiple explanations already given here how DNA from a spray of saliva or mucous, and Touch DNA in particular, can arrive innocently.

A DNA contributor also being a household member does not negate the possibility the household member was the killer.

The bottom line is DNA evidence in this case in the public domain are pieces of information that by themselves mean little. They are neither for or against. If DNA from semen had been found on JonBenet, because it is semen and because there is no practical reason it should be on her, then that would mean something.

Television programs are there to entertain and make money for the producers and station owners. They are not generators of forensic evidence.

BBM

Yes, but TV never lies, unlike them dern books with all their highfalutin' words and facts.

 

[Linda7NJ]

BBM

Yes, but TV never lies, unlike them dern books with all their highfalutin' words and facts.

Lmao! Thank you!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

(bbm)

Are you referring to the Amy Attacker? It took place 2 miles from where the R's lived.

If so, let me clear some things up for you. The father, a psychologist (his name can be found in the links I'll provided at the bottom of this post) hired a PI that happens to be an IDI or to be more specific a Santa did it theorist; he discovered that the mommy in that case had a boyfriend. One that came in one door and left by the balcony and that she brought him in quite a bit. Mommy was lying about the intruder.

Now if that's not enough to clear it up then take into consideration.... Amy was 14 not 7, she was not tied up, beat up, strangled, bashed in the head, nor was a stun gun used on her. Her attacker did not take her from her bed nor did he leave the War and Peace of a ransom note pretending to be a foreign faction that only needed $118,000.

CHAIN OF EVENTS 1997
http://www.acandyrose.com/s-september97-intruder.htm

1999-09-24: Peterson Press Conference, Regent Wilshire Hotel, Beverly Hills, Ca.

(Representatives from ABC, KABC, KCAL, KCBS, KNBC, FOX, KCOP, CNN, Extra and others attended)
http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/09241999petersonconference.htm

I know the account from what I understand she was 12 not 14. But I have seen both ages used.

She was not attacked because her mother scared the attacker off. We have no idea what would have happened if she had not. He waited in their house for hours.

Criminals change things from crime to crime. Since the bpd made a mess of that too well not ever now will we ? But the possibility is there.

 

[Linda7NJ]

There is no way that DNA has no value. It has value. It is not useless that's like saying the DNA of the green river killed is useless. Of course it is useful. The challenge is finding who it belongs to but that makes it useful not useless.

You don't throw DNA out. No csi says " hey we have DNA but since we don't yet know who it belongs to let's just pitch it "

The argument that the DNA is useless is really ridiculous. The problem is that it points to someone other than the R's and tosses RDI right in the compactor.

No one said throw it out.

I said its meaningless. Every bit as meaningless as the other five unsourced contributors that's on the rope.

Until it's sourced, it means nothing.

That's not to say, criminal defense attorneys, public relations folks, private investigators working for the Ramsey's wouldn't be yelling about it from the roof tops claiming it belonged to the "real" killer. Hmmmm that sounds familiar!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

No one said throw it out.

I said its meaningless. Every bit as meaningless as the other five unsourced contributors that's on the rope.

Until it's sourced, it means nothing.

That's not to say, criminal defense attorneys, public relations folks, private investigators working for the Ramsey's wouldn't be yelling about it from the roof tops claiming it belonged to the "real" killer. Hmmmm that sounds familiar!

It's not meaningless. It is meaningful. Find the source and you may have found a killer. That's not meaningless. The same DNA has been used to find killers in other cases.

 

[tezi]

BBM

Yes, but TV never lies, unlike them dern books with all their highfalutin' words and facts.

LMAO. I have to dig out my books with their highfalutin' words tonight. Find some facts...Not CSI New York or CSI Miami...LOL:floorlaugh:

 

[tezi]

I know the account from what I understand she was 12 not 14. But I have seen both ages used.

She was not attacked because her mother scared the attacker off. We have no idea what would have happened if she had not. He waited in their house for hours.

Criminals change things from crime to crime. Since the bpd made a mess of that too well not ever now will we ? But the possibility is there.

In the words of Patsy Ramsey, "Help me Jesus!" How many times are we going to do this dance? Links have been posted showing the difference in these two cases, but yet we are going round and round about it.

Yes, the BPD made a mess, but the Boulder County District Attorney's Office made a worse mess. They did not right a ship, they saved their own asses.

As always, MY OWN OPINION....

 

[Agatha_C]

I know the account from what I understand she was 12 not 14. But I have seen both ages used.

She was not attacked because her mother scared the attacker off. We have no idea what would have happened if she had not. He waited in their house for hours.

Criminals change things from crime to crime. Since the bpd made a mess of that too well not ever now will we ? But the possibility is there.

I think you may have missed the most important part of my post "The mothers boyfriend was the intruder in the Amy case" the fathers PI discovered that little tidbit...

I'm not trying to argue really, just trying to make sure that facts don't get twisted here that's all... There is no connection

 

[Linda7NJ]

It's not meaningless. It is meaningful. Find the source and you may have found a killer. That's not meaningless. The same DNA has been used to find killers in other cases.

The skin cells found on the rope would be more promising according to

http://www.nyc.gov/html/ocme/downloads/pdf/HISENS_brochure.pdf

 

[FrayedKnot]

It's not meaningless. It is meaningful. Find the source and you may have found a killer. That's not meaningless. The same DNA has been used to find killers in other cases.

What about the owners the other five bits of TDNA? Are they murderers, too?

How did that whole gang get in and out of there without being heard? Because according to Patsy,she always heard everything in that house......very Zanny-like, these intruders.

 

[Linda7NJ]

In the words of Patsy Ramsey, "Help me Jesus!" How many times are we going to do this dance? Links have been posted showing the difference in these two cases, but yet we are going round and round about it.

Yes, the BPD made a mess, but the Boulder County District Attorney's Office made a worse mess. They did not right a ship, they saved their own asses.

As always, MY OWN OPINION....

And Mary Lacy thought she would put a lid on it. She hoped people were gonna forget! she made a complete fool of herself. IMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

What about the owners the other five bits of TDNA? Are they murderers, too?

How did that whole gang get in and out of there without being heard? Because according to Patsy,she always heard everything in that house......very Zanny-like, these intruders.

We don't know who they are. They point is that it does not have to mean they are all killers but we only need one. And since we have two sources of the same DNA that gives that source more probability.

 

[Linda7NJ]

What about the owners the other five bits of TDNA? Are they murderers, too?

How did that whole gang get in and out of there without being heard? Because according to Patsy,she always heard everything in that house......very Zanny-like, these intruders.

Yes well it was a SMALL (6 people) foreign faction!
All six creeped in, hid in the house for hours and to pass the time, wrote a three page ransom note! Strange group too! At least one was a pedophile, A few were kidnappers, one was even a murderer! But when the time came, no one could remember exactly why they were there.

 

[Linda7NJ]

We don't know who they are. They point is that it does not have to mean they are all killers but we only need one. And since we have two sources of the same DNA that gives that source more probability.

So....15 cells as opposed to 10 cells is the determining factor in prioritizing & catching killers with unsourced DNA? Find me a link for that please! Lmao!
Whatever. You clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Chelly]

Yes well it was a SMALL (6 people) foreign faction!
All six creeped in, hid in the house for hours and to pass the time, wrote a three page ransom note! Strange group too! At least one was a pedophile, A few were kidnappers, one was even a murderer! But when the time came, no one could remember exactly why they were there.

Small Foreign Faction...:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: BRAVO!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I think the biggest problem is that I do. This same DNA is used to solve other cases. This same DNA points to someone else being involved in other cases.

Amazing how here it means nothing since it does not support RDI.

If you don't accept the actual evidence you can not solve the case

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Touch DNA is enough to crack cases..

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/utah-authorities-dna-helped-solve-1995-murder-20317099

"Bonner said Joseph Michael Simpson, who was arrested Tuesday, was "never on our radar" until earlier this year, when a lab extracted "touch DNA" from the granite rocks used to crush the teen's skull."


http://www.whiotv.com/news/news/local/touch-dna-solving-crime/nWPcD/

"The power of Touch DNA to unlock cases first made headlines in Ohio in July of 2009. It helped to solve a gruesome double-murder investigation in Akron. Alan Grna and his mother, Julianna, were found beaten to death in their home."

"Touch DNA has changed the way investigators approach crime scenes looking for evidence."



IT seems everyone is relying on TDNA to solve cases except in this case..

 

[FrayedKnot]

We don't know who they are. They point is that it does not have to mean they are all killers but we only need one. And since we have two sources of the same DNA that gives that source more probability.

Then by that same "logic", the touch DNA found doesn't mean ANY of the owners are JonBenet's killers.

And there cannot be two sources for the same DNA. DNA is unique to the individual/source. The source of any DNA is the person to whom it belongs.

So I don't know whay you keep saying "two sources of the same DNA" since that is just not possible. :waitasec:

If, however, you are trying to say that TDNA from the same source was found in two different places on JBR's clothing, then it still isn't significant. She could have picked up someones TDNA on her hand and then in the bathroom transferred it to both her panties and the waistband of her longjohns when pulling them up.

This isn't DNA from blood or semen or even saliva. We are talking skin flakes or dried sweat droplets. They can land anywhere and unlike blood or semen which should never be on a little girl's panties , they are not necessarily nefarious leavings, but amazingly common.


There is no smoking gun in the TDNA, but if there is, as you seem bent on proselytizing, then the TDNA from all SIX sources should be viewed as left by her killers.

And that's just bologna.

 

[FrayedKnot]

Yes well it was a SMALL (6 people) foreign faction!
All six creeped in, hid in the house for hours and to pass the time, wrote a three page ransom note! Strange group too! At least one was a pedophile, A few were kidnappers, one was even a murderer! But when the time came, no one could remember exactly why they were there.

Maybe they just dropped by for tea and pineapple?