Komrik

[DeeDee249]

It's really interesting reading everyone's views, as I'm only just catching up here!



I don't know if anyone agrees or not, but it often feels that one of the big problems with this case, is that any theory developed by anyone tends to mix in a big dose of personal interpretation with the facts. This even applies to people like Steve Thomas, Singular, Wecht, etc. Inevitably, some of their own personal beliefs and experiences get mixed in, simply because many of the facts still don't tell us conclusively who did it, how, or why? So we all end up wondering about the possibility of different scenarios (suppositions), that might explain the facts?

Sorry for the long, rambling post!

It is only natural to put personal feelings into it. As for Steve Thomas, Kolar, Wecht - these people either were personally involved with the investigation or personally reviewed case files, such as the autopsy reports and photos (in the case of Wecht). A personal spin on the case for these people is unavoidable. I'd expect it- they were on the INSIDE.

 

[Anti-K]

BBM

I agree about the personal interpretation statement. I have read so many theories of this crime and can see points in favor of PDI, BDI and JDI, while
reading.

Yet whatever influences me I tend to always fall back on certain things that just don't feel right to me. I don't think John killed her. I also don't think he was sexually abusing her-and I know that beleif is very unpopular here.

I think Burke may well have been sexually abusing her and I can buy either he or Patsy as the killer.

So, are there personal influences in my own life that am not readily aware of, that have influenced me? Quite possible.

Just as I believe Lou Schmidt was influenced only by the fact that he bought the Ramsey's "we are such good Christians" act.

Still, I like reading different people's theories and often find interesting points I may not have considered even after all these years.

The only thing I have never been influenced by though is that not once, in 17 years, have I read a IDI theory that I have found even remotely plausable.
I am 100% convinced it was RDI.

And, in 17 years I have never encountered an RDI theory that I find to be even remotely plausible. So, does your Argument from Personal Incredulity cancel out my Argument from Personal Incredulity? Does this mean that no one committed this crime? Or, are Arguments from Personal Incredulity meaningless?
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AK

 

[Anti-K]

BBM According to LHP, this wasn't true. From the first chapter of her book:

"So you broke off one of your paint brushes, took the white nylon cord, and twisted it around her neck. She might have still been revived, but you didn't know it. You just pulled the cord tight around her neck until it was red.

I remember just such a cord wrapped in just such a way around a box in the basement next to where her body was found.

I remember a lot Patsy."

http://www.webbsleuths.com/cgi-bin/dcf/dcboard.cgi?az=read_count&om=2011&forum=DCForumID101

Of course, there are reasons to suspect LHP’s credibility as a witness. She seemed pro-Ramsey at the beginning, but anti-Ramsey at the end, etc. LHP was named a suspect by the Ramseys and LHP was subsequently investigated and harassed by media and such. Her life was detrimentally affected and it could be said that she was hurt and felt turned upon. To this day there are people theorizing about her involvement in this crime.

So, it could be argued that LHP had motive to implicate the Ramseys in some fashion or other.

Is there any evidence to support LHP’s contention? For example, a box that could have been wrapped with cord? A box of sufficient size to accommodate what is probably 4 or 5 feet of cord? Does the cord have any stress marks or such to indicate that it had been previously used in such a fashion?

Note: approximate and rough estimates: 15” between loops + 17” between handle and knot + 5 inch tails x 3 + size of loops 4” x2 + 8” and length hidden in knots and handle wrapping = I dunno, four or five or more feet.
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AK

 

[gramcracker]

It is only natural to put personal feelings into it. As for Steve Thomas, Kolar, Wecht - these people either were personally involved with the investigation or personally reviewed case files, such as the autopsy reports and photos (in the case of Wecht). A personal spin on the case for these people is unavoidable. I'd expect it- they were on the INSIDE.

Lawrence Shiller's Perfect Murder, Perfect Town/kindle location 3272

The investigation into Beth Ramsey was not the first trip to Georgia that Steve Thomas had made. In early January, he and Tom Trujillo had visited John and Patsy Ramsey's former home on Northridge Road in Dunwoody, Georgia, where the family had lived when JonBenet was a baby.

Late one afternoon, Thomas and Trujillo had knocked on the front door of the Northridge house. The detectives introduced themselves, and the current owners let them into the house to look around. They had just wanted to get a feel for the place. In the backyard, Thomas and Trujillo stopped short. There, embedded in the cement of the patio, were JonBenet's and Burke's infant footprints - tiny but perfect.

The next night, the detectives went back to the house. It was raining, and they didn't want to disturb the owner. They walked to the backyard and again looked down at the tiny imprints, which glistened in the chilly drizzle.

Thomas began to weep.

Trujillo remained silent, waiting for Thomas to regain his composure.

From there, the detectives went to visit JonBenet's grave.

Steve Thomas knew that no matter what lay ahead, he had to do the right thing. That was the credo his father had instilled in him ...

[snip]

Steve Berkowitz, who had worked narcotics with Thomas at the Wheat Ridge Police Department in 1988, knew that if anything were ever to happen to one of his children, he'd call Steve Thomas. "Find her" would be all he'd have to say.

By now, Thomas was totally consumed by the investigation. He'd seen death before, but he had never seen the senseless murder of a six-year-old. He spent weekends working at police headquarters. He tossed and turned at night, and when he couldn't sleep, he turned on his computer and worked on the case. As the weeks passed with no answers to all the open questions about JonBenet's murder, he became more and more tormented. Sometimes Steve Thomas felt completely alone in his hunt for her killer.

 

[Scandigirl]

It is only natural to put personal feelings into it. As for Steve Thomas, Kolar, Wecht - these people either were personally involved with the investigation or personally reviewed case files, such as the autopsy reports and photos (in the case of Wecht). A personal spin on the case for these people is unavoidable. I'd expect it- they were on the INSIDE.

You're absolutely right. Of course it would be pretty impossible not to bring personal feelings into it, if you're someone who has passionately tried to do everything they can, from the inside, to find answers. And also, such a terrible death of a small child is distressing in itself, for anyone. People working from inside the case have a much more close up and therefore valid perspective than someone like Komrik, who, as far as we know, has no direct links or involvement to the case.

Being human, no one can completely avoid adding a little bit of themselves into it when discussing or writing about theories, but those closest to the investigation are probably the most emotionally involved of all, and quite rightly.

 

[Nom de plume]

Of course, there are reasons to suspect LHP’s credibility as a witness. She seemed pro-Ramsey at the beginning, but anti-Ramsey at the end, etc. LHP was named a suspect by the Ramseys and LHP was subsequently investigated and harassed by media and such. Her life was detrimentally affected and it could be said that she was hurt and felt turned upon. To this day there are people theorizing about her involvement in this crime.

So, it could be argued that LHP had motive to implicate the Ramseys in some fashion or other.

Is there any evidence to support LHP’s contention? For example, a box that could have been wrapped with cord? A box of sufficient size to accommodate what is probably 4 or 5 feet of cord? Does the cord have any stress marks or such to indicate that it had been previously used in such a fashion?

Note: approximate and rough estimates: 15” between loops + 17” between handle and knot + 5 inch tails x 3 + size of loops 4” x2 + 8” and length hidden in knots and handle wrapping = I dunno, four or five or more feet.
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AK

Yeah, yeah....just add her to the list of all the other people that were/are "out to get" the Ramseys. It's just amazing that everyone lies about them.

 

[Venom]

Of course, there are reasons to suspect LHP’s credibility as a witness. She seemed pro-Ramsey at the beginning, but anti-Ramsey at the end, etc. LHP was named a suspect by the Ramseys and LHP was subsequently investigated and harassed by media and such. Her life was detrimentally affected and it could be said that she was hurt and felt turned upon. To this day there are people theorizing about her involvement in this crime.

So, it could be argued that LHP had motive to implicate the Ramseys in some fashion or other.

Is there any evidence to support LHP’s contention? For example, a box that could have been wrapped with cord? A box of sufficient size to accommodate what is probably 4 or 5 feet of cord? [//b]Does the cord have any stress marks or such to indicate that it had been previously used in such a fashion?

Note: approximate and rough estimates: 15” between loops + 17” between handle and knot + 5 inch tails x 3 + size of loops 4” x2 + 8” and length hidden in knots and handle wrapping = I dunno, four or five or more feet.
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AK

BBM- How would any of us know that? How would we have access to the R's basement?

 

[Mama2JML]

RSBM

Is there any evidence to support LHP’s contention? For example, a box that could have been wrapped with cord? A box of sufficient size to accommodate what is probably 4 or 5 feet of cord? Does the cord have any stress marks or such to indicate that it had been previously used in such a fashion?

BBM- How would any of us know that? How would we have access to the R's basement?

We'd need to research. We have access to some photos, SWs, LE interviews, & depositions. LE collected fibers, debris, etc.; vacuuming the wine cellar, her bedroom, closets, and other areas of the house. If there was any indication the cord had been wrapped around a box in the wine cellar, LE would probably have determined so. The cord hasn't been sourced, according to every investigative account I've come across.

 

[DeDee]

I dismiss the rambling Komrik document as being too unconventional for me to even take seriously, but I still hold open the possibility that the murder was premeditated. With a family like the Ramsey's, anything is possible IMO.

Another one of Komrik's suppositions is that the box of facial tissues on the table was placed there for JonBenet's convenience; thereby, indicating, to him, that she had a cold.

I always assumed Patsy used the facial tissues from the box at the table as she composed the Ransom Note. Patsy, ever pushing the IDI, claimed she did not purchase facial tissues in the rectangular shaped boxes like the one sitting atop her dining table in this picture.


It states: Breakfast room, #415 and #417

A) Pineapple Bowl: PATRICIA AND BURKE'S FINGERPRINTS

B) Glass on table in north dining room: BURKE RAMSEY'S FINGERPRINTS.

 

[Scandigirl]

Receipt from McGuckins
“Among the items on Patsy’s December 9 receipt was an item from the builder’s hardware department. The price was $1.99. On the December 2 slip, there was an item from the garden department. It was $1.99. Duct tape also sold for $1.99. We had no way of knowing what she had bought.” ~ Thomas; p. 120
BBM
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AK

Just thinking, if it's true that John Ramsey later rang the store owner personally, asking if the purchases on his card could be itemised and obviously therefore identified, then maybe this in itself shows that he was concerned about them, and indicates something guilty? Although it still didn't show for sure who bought them or why, as the owner couldn't itemise what had been bought.

If those things had been bought for entirely innocent purposes, would he necessarily have been concerned enough to check if they could be traced?

Only a thought...

 

[Mama2JML]

Just thinking, if it's true that John Ramsey later rang the store owner personally, asking if the purchases on his card could be itemised and obviously therefore identified, then maybe this in itself shows that he was concerned about them, and indicates something guilty? Although it still didn't show for sure who bought them or why, as the owner couldn't itemise what had been bought.

If those things had been bought for entirely innocent purposes, would he necessarily have been concerned enough to check if they could be traced?

Only a thought...

BBM
On January 20th of 1997, Thomas & Gosage were present at McGuckin's and recorded three telephone calls from a man claiming to be John Ramsey. Their investigation revealed the caller was not Mr. Ramsey, but an impersonator connected to tabloid media outlets. (IRMI, p. 135)

More information is revealed in a RMN article from 07.05.99, by Charlie Brennan:

"A far more serious case is that of James and Regana Rapp, an Aurora couple indicted by a Jefferson County grand jury June 24 on two counts of racketeering.

Employees of the Rapps' firm, Touch Tone Inc., impersonated JonBenet's father, John Ramsey, in an effort to obtain receipts for purchases by Patsy Ramsey at McGuckin Hardware in Boulder the month before the killing, the indictment charges."​

Link to Article in Full: http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ramsey/0705ram1.shtml

 

[Scandigirl]

BBM
On January 20th of 1997, Thomas & Gosage were present at McGuckin's and recorded three telephone calls from a man claiming to be John Ramsey. Their investigation revealed the caller was not Mr. Ramsey, but an impersonator connected to tabloid media outlets. (IRMI, p. 135)

More information is revealed in a RMN article from 07.05.99, by Charlie Brennan:

"A far more serious case is that of James and Regana Rapp, an Aurora couple indicted by a Jefferson County grand jury June 24 on two counts of racketeering.

Employees of the Rapps' firm, Touch Tone Inc., impersonated JonBenet's father, John Ramsey, in an effort to obtain receipts for purchases by Patsy Ramsey at McGuckin Hardware in Boulder the month before the killing, the indictment charges."​

Link to Article in Full: http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ramsey/0705ram1.shtml

Thanks for clarifying that- I wasn't sure if it was true or not that John Ramsey had really called the store himself, and so that can be ruled out!