Korean woman, 63, Missing from Mediterranean Norwegian Cruise Ship, 8 Jun 2019

[ilovechili]

@indicolite22 I would add that most articles place her on their balcony, otherwise she was out and about on the ship in her pajamas which I guess is possible but I think more unlikely. One article yesterday left one wondering as it referred to her leaving the cabin for air or something like that. I still think that could have meant the interior cabin for the balcony.

 

[MuddyTires]

First reports were that it was an American teenager, so maybe we don't yet know what the husband's story is.

 

[ilovechili]

First reports were that it was an American teenager, so maybe we don't yet know what the husband's story is.

Yes, based on that major mistake, not sure anything we still even know is fact.

 

[indicolite22]

First reports were that it was an American teenager, so maybe we don't yet know what the husband's story is.

The American teenager part came from passengers, not officials. There were a few thousand people on board the ship. Rumors spread very quickly. Later info came from the cruise line and a source who was briefed on the search (as per the ABC article).

 

[ilovechili]

Norwegian Cruise Line says female passenger missing

 

[doyoulovemepfg]

The American teenager part came from passengers, not officials. There were a few thousand people on board the ship. Rumors spread very quickly. Later info came from the cruise line and a source who was briefed on the search (as per the ABC article).

FWIW the missing woman could be of smaller stature and had been mistaken for a teen if seen from behind.

 

[Momof4RN]

The American teenager part came from passengers, not officials. There were a few thousand people on board the ship. Rumors spread very quickly. Later info came from the cruise line and a source who was briefed on the search (as per the ABC article).

Agree but all the major news networks ran with the rumor rather than verifying the information from a reliable source. Poor and unacceptable reporting. MOO

 

[lonetraveler]

When I lived in Key West I saw many people fall overboard from boats or from a dock/pier. I also saw a number of people wind up driving their car completely into the water while trying to launch/recover their boat... Nearly all of these were due to the subject being intoxicated - either from alcohol, drugs, or both. Anyone who's taken a cruise knows how crazy they can be: The last one I went on it seemed like 98% of everyone aboard was drunk - very, very dunk. People were vomiting everywhere, people were passed out in the hallways, casino, on the deck, etc.. I saw more people leaning far over the rails, just begging to go overboard. Anyway, are there murders on-board cruise ships? Sure - but not that many. Most who go overboard are suicides or else accidental.

Your room key is used for every purchase and a record of any alcohol purchases can be given to investigators to see if she may have been intoxicated.

 

[Momof4RN]

@indicolite22 I would add that most articles place her on their balcony, otherwise she was out and about on the ship in her pajamas which I guess is possible but I think more unlikely. One article yesterday left one wondering as it referred to her leaving the cabin for air or something like that. I still think that could have meant the interior cabin for the balcony.

Except that the story went from pink pj’s to a pink night gown so for all we know she was in a pink evening gown

 

[ilovechili]

Except that the story went from pink pj’s to a pink night gown so for all we know she was in a pink evening gown

Good point when it comes to the reporting/known facts which are few. Pink evening gown indeed Next it will be a bathing suit or flamenco outfit

I read an account yesterday of another incident on this same cruise line and in that case they also had video of the woman going overboard. Of interest is that no one saw it and could not say either if it showed enough to know she went over on her own. One person actually referred to it like just being an infrared moving blip on camera, so I took that to mean a falling body mid air maybe?

I was going to link it but did not. There was an in depth story on it on Fox and a ton of questions not answered. I was going to look further to see if the facts ever came out but did not get the chance. Perhaps today I can do that. I will point out the passengers said it was kept pretty quiet and they had little clue what had occurred. One person actually was on the treadmill on the ship and heard it on the news, the ship never let the passengers know.

I think in this case they had to only because they were required to turn back to search or the same would have occurred.

It seems like most passengers confirm and were told here it was pink pajamas. To me that means pajamas or nightgown I guess. As a child, I was just told "go get your pajamas on" and that could mean actually pair of pajamas or a nightgown, either was meant by the phrase. I wonder if translation plays into it.

If it was nightwear, and she was in her 60s and Korean, I guess I do not see her wandering the decks outside the cabin in them, nor most people doing that for that matter. However, that is just an assumption and who knows? Nowadays many shop in their "pajamas"

Just an early morning post, and check to see if any news...

 

[ilovechili]

From another overboard incident on Norwegian, with similarities. This woman was also in her bathrobe/night wear. From what I can tell it was being looked into and never a word since... This one too the said they had video of her going overboard. Here is a remark on that video...

"KELLY: And Lieutenant, were you told -- I mean, I assume that the cruise ship discussed with you whether she was seen in that video wearing any sort of a lifejacket or any sort of a flotation device, whether they were able to discern that?

MOORLAG: I don't -- I don't -- I haven't seen the video, but -- and what we got from the ship was that it was an image that went across the screen. And it was infrared video, so it was white. And based on that, though, we were be able to come up with what we believe is a good starting point to begin the search, and that's very helpful to us because if we can get that starting point, then at that point, we can go in and we can start to drift (ph) it and come up with a great search area."

From: Missing Cruise Passenger Mystery: Was There a Crime or Suicide?

The rest of it is an interesting read as well... The passengers were never told, it was heard of in other ways, like on TV while they were on the ship...

 

[indicolite22]

On March 7th 2018 there was another incident on the same ship. Luckily on that occasion they managed to rescue the person that fell overboard:

Crew Center reports a passenger on board the ship was rescued after going overboard on Tuesday night, as the vessel sailed near the Bahamas. NCL has confirmed the incident saying that a female guest went over the rail and into the ocean. Crew rescue teams immediately responded to the emergency and lowered a life boat to search for the missing passenger around the ship. Passengers onboard were reporting the teen was on the top deck with her family when she leaned over the railing to take a selfie and fell overboard.

Cruise Passengers Overboard
Miraculous Rescue by Norwegian Epic Crew | Crew Center

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

the pic on @Gardener1850's post #73 shows this ship I believe. Are those railings really 48" high? Then that guy in the center in the grey shirt (next the red shirt person) must be 8 feet tall. He looks just as tall above the railing as below. I'm not arguing that falling over these railings is not impossible. But I just don't think those railing are 48" tall.

That photo also reminds me why cruising has zero appeal to me. z.e.r.o.

I hope this story turns out to not have any nefarious underpinnings and her family and those who love her will get the answers they want.

 

[Trident]

Agree but all the major news networks ran with the rumor rather than verifying the information from a reliable source. Poor and unacceptable reporting. MOO

IMO that's all we've got any more.

 

[ilovechili]

‘Selfless act’ before couple’s cruise death

Not much different in this article but it goes on to give some interesting accounts of other incidents on cruise ships and the answers received in each, or determination, if any.

 

[missingm]

the pic on @Gardener1850's post #73 shows this ship I believe. Are those railings really 48" high? Then that guy in the center in the grey shirt (next the red shirt person) must be 8 feet tall. He looks just as tall above the railing as below. I'm not arguing that falling over these railings is not impossible. But I just don't think those railing are 48" tall.

That photo also reminds me why cruising has zero appeal to me. z.e.r.o.

I hope this story turns out to not have any nefarious underpinnings and her family and those who love her will get the answers they want.

Minimum height is 42" for any balcony. So they could be a little shorter. But in bad weather I don't see why she would be out there until 5 am.

I don't know why this would turn you off to cruising. I usually get an inside cabin since it is much easier to sleep and I don't really want to spend a ton of time in the room. I personally enjoy watching the waves through the porthole windows in those cabins that have them, but my family doesn't agree.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

I don't know why this would turn you off to cruising. I usually get an inside cabin since it is much easier to sleep and I don't really want to spend a ton of time in the room. I personally enjoy watching the waves through the porthole windows in those cabins that have them, but my family doesn't agree.

O/T - it was not this "accident" that has 'turned me off' of cruising - it simply does not interest me because I am an introvert and being among all those people is just not my thing - I am not into crowds. Also, I prefer off-the-beaten-path type vacations, where there are not myriad of "sheeple" all doing the same thing. I prefer flexibility, and I like quiet. Different strokes. You do you and I'll do me. =)

 

[SeesSeas]

Norwegian Cruise Line passenger presumed dead after falling overboard — how common are these incidents?
Published: June 12, 2019 11:38 a.m. ET
A 63-year-old Korean woman is presumed dead after she went overboard from a Norwegian Cruise Line ship in the Mediterranean Sea this weekend.

The unnamed woman went missing Saturday morning as the Norwegian Epic traveled from Cannes, Frances, to Palma de Mallorca, Spain, the company told MarketWatch.
[...]
King added that current safety regulations, including minimum heights for railings and structural barriers, would prevent passengers from falling off a cruise ship if they were acting responsibly.

Despite the small number of people who have gone overboard, some argue that lawmakers and the cruise industry could do more to protect passengers. Advocates for families whose loved ones have died or gone missing after going overboard are pushing for more stringent requirements regarding search and rescue procedures and the adoption of improved radar technology that could notify ship crew when someone goes overboard more quickly.

The cruise industry has been testing different systems to improve detection and response times when people go overboard from ships, King said.
[...]

 

[Laughing]

Wonder if she had some sort of recent medical diagnosis -- and chose her own time instead?

JMHO YMMV

 

[Roxie Rosa]

I am actually impressed the ship turned around to look for her.

I too wonder how they know when and where in the ocean she went overboard. It would have to be an eyewitness, either human or camera, or a very narrowed down time frame from someone seeing her one moment and no longer there minutes later.

I actually hope they have camera footage just so no questions result about foul play which other cruise ship incidents have left lingering concerns about.

Where to look I imagine is done by the system based on time and where the ship would have been at that time.

I wonder what happened. I have never been on a ship, are the balconies safe and fairly unlikely for one to fall off or overboard? I wonder if they connect (continuous) or are separate balconies for each cabin?

Balconies are separate and railings are safe...at least on the cruises I have been on. Sometimes, if not always, there are exterior cameras too. I have seen videos of peeps jumping over at night.