Identified! KS – Unidentified Child Remains found buried in backyard in Rose Hill, Sept. 11, 2024 *Kennedy Jean Schroer, 6*

[Izzylizzy]

One of the statutes JS was charged with was
"21-5210. Liability for crimes of another"
Which crime(s) that CES was charged with?
Helping someone to commit fraud does not legally equate to helping them commit 1st degree murder.

statute:

Statute | Kansas State Legislature

www.kslegislature.gov

 

[Izzylizzy]

Only 10,000 for JS and 250,000 for CES.
Both amounts are insults to the memory of NMG and her sisters.
Both bonds are easily had and they could be back walking the streets, if they're not already.
The judge should hang his head in shame.

"Joseph Schroer entered a not guilty plea. A preliminary hearing is scheduled for February 18. His bond was set at $10,000 with GPS monitoring.
The judge entered a not guilty plea for Crystina Schroer. Her preliminary hearing is scheduled for March 12, and her bond was set at $250,000. Conditions of bond would include GPS monitoring and having no contact with minors. "

Adoptive parents charged in death of 6-year-old Rose Hill girl

Rose Hill police said the little girl, Natalie, was born in July 2014 and given the name Kennedy Jean when the Schroers adopted her in 2019. It is believed she

www.kake.com

 

[GreatAgain]

the initial details sound almost how the Avantae Deven murder of two adopted children case started out. A minor sibling was expressing suicidal thoughts. Wellness check, police involvement and the sibling began to talk about abused siblings who had been missing for years.

This case could well go a similar way. A person in extreme emotional distress finally working up the courage to tell outsiders about a horrible secret.

Child’s remains found in backyard of Rose Hill home

A police response to a disturbance in Rose Hill led to the discovery of human remains in a backyard, likely those of a child.

www.kwch.com

They are investigating people of interest.

The Butler County Sheriff’s Office confirmed they are assisting in the investigation.

https://fox4kc.com/news/police-childs-remains-found-buried-in-backyard-of-rose-hill-home/

Wow, that's crazy...

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Murder in the 1st degree Kidnapping, aggravated Child abuse, torture (x4) Theft, felony (value under $25,000) Forgery (x4) Medicaid fraud Desecration of a corpse Joseph Shane Schroer, a 53-year-old male from Rose Hill:

Child abuse, torture (x4) Liability for crimes of another Interference with Law Enforcement Theft, felony (value under $25,000) Medicaid fraud The department added that Natalie "has always been the focus of this investigation, and we believe we can now tell her story accurately."

Adoptive parents arrested for murder, torture in death of 6-year-old girl of Kansas

The adoptive parents of a 6-year-old girl found buried in a backyard have been arrested for murder, child abuse and torture.

abc7chicago.com

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[tlcya]

So, not an accident. As we speculated, abusive home. I am so glad Natalie's siblings are now out of there, alive. Just looking at Crystina's face and knowing that hateful mug was the last little Natalie saw makes me so angry. Why do people adopt children if they don't like children? Was it always about the money and benefits for Crystina? How do you go to all the trouble of adopting three siblings and then proceed "punish" them in such a manner? Punishment for what? Being children?

Natalie, your sisters are safe now sweetpea.

https://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article300409524.html
‘Please do not make us get in the boxes’: Court doc details death of adopted girl buried in Rose Hill

(I can't read it because it requires a subscription, if any of our members have a subscription can they paraphrase the contents? TIA)

Before relinquishing custody to the state, Helm says she remembers spending lots of time in parks in Salina with her daughters. She remembers that time fondly.
Biological mother of girl buried in Rose Hill speaks out

Rose Hill police say they were initially called to the home on Sept. 10, 2024, because Crystina was suicidal. She told police one of her daughters was a danger to others and claimed the child had choked another child, leading to her death.
[snip]
“Evidence obtained through testimony of family members, and corroborated through Crystina’s own text messages show a several year history of abuse. These abuses were mental, as well as physical, and manifested in the segregation of the children from outside world, each other, and other members of the home. Crystina admits to starving the children in order to gain their compliance, using food as a weapon. Handwritten notes, corroborated by testimony of social workers, show that Crystina was fabricating medical ailments against some or all of her foster children in order to prescribe medications to them and increase her per diem stipend per child.”
Arrest affidavit details alleged abuse of child buried in Rose Hill yard

I take small satisfaction that it was Crystina herself that led to her own undoing. It appears she was the adult in the home having a mental health crisis and when responders arrived she told them about Natalie and attempted to blame one of her siblings for Natalie's death. MOO, she knew her crime was about to be uncovered and only then did she become "suicidal". Not from guilt or any sense of wrongdoing, but because she saw the consequences of her own hideous actions coming at her like a freight train.

 

[tlcya]

Josephe Schroer is due in court today. Crystina won't be back in court until March 12th

 

[imstilla.grandma]

On Tuesday, DCF gave some new but minimal details. DCF said that on four dates from January through June 2018, there were allegations of sexual, physical or emotional abuse against a biological parent. DCF said all the allegations were determined to be unsubstantiated.

The DCF Prevention and Protective Services Policy and Procedure manual says that unsubstantiated means “The facts or circumstances do not provide clear and convincing evidence to meet the KSA definition of abuse, neglect, or financial exploitation.”

https://www.ksn.com/news/local/dcf-gives-limited-response-to-questions-about-rose-hill-childs-death/

 

[tlcya]

so DCF sidestepped the documents request from the news org and focused on the unsubstantiated claims they investigated about Natalie's bio parents years before her placement and subsequent adoption by the Schroers. Why an I surprised by this non response of theirs?
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On Tuesday, DCF gave some new but minimal details. DCF said that on four dates from January through June 2018, there were allegations of sexual, physical or emotional abuse against a biological parent. DCF said all the allegations were determined to be unsubstantiated.
[snip]
Christa Helm, Kennedy’s biological mother, told KSN that her children were taken from her in 2017 and that she relinquished custody of three of her daughters in late 2018.
https://www.ksn.com/news/local/dcf-gives-limited-response-to-questions-about-rose-hill-childs-death/

So my question is, if all of the allegations made against the bio parents in the time frame DCF provided records for, how then did the state take custody of the children and farm them out to the Schroers? Where are THOSE records? Because that is what the news station asked for and all are notably absent in DCF's response.

 

[Izzylizzy]

dbm

 

[Izzylizzy]

dbm
error about
parents.

 

[Cartie]

Affidavit details abuse allegations in death of child found buried at Rose Hill home, DCF responds to Open Records request

I really hope an investigation is made into how these monsters had care of any children. I'm sickened by how many vulnerable children are failed by so many.

 

[tlcya]

Affidavit details abuse allegations in death of child found buried at Rose Hill home, DCF responds to Open Records request

I really hope an investigation is made into how these monsters had care of any children. I'm sickened by how many vulnerable children are failed by so many.

the affidavit at this link is chilling, not just for what is shown in it but more so, IMO, based on how very much of the alleged abuse is redacted.

I feel horrible for the sister that Crystina thought she was going to lay blame upon. These poor children. I hope they are getting so much counseling to process what they were forced to live in that household with the monster mother and ineffectual father. Joseph seems to have allowed Crystina to do whatever she wanted without any pushback or challenge. This adoptive mother, I can't even describe how angry I am at what she's done, and what she's tried to do to Natalie's sibling, by making her out to be mentally unwell, a danger to everyone, that poor poor child my heart hurts for them. So many years of intense therapy will be needed for these kids but particularly that one, the scapegoat.

I started typing this post at 9 am. it has taken me this long to get through the affidavit. I have no words that can adequately describe how hurt I am for these kids.

 

[eemrsk]

the affidavit at this link is chilling, not just for what is shown in it but more so, IMO, based on how very much of the alleged abuse is redacted.

I feel horrible for the sister that Crystina thought she was going to lay blame upon. These poor children. I hope they are getting so much counseling to process what they were forced to live in that household with the monster mother and ineffectual father. Joseph seems to have allowed Crystina to do whatever she wanted without any pushback or challenge. This adoptive mother, I can't even describe how angry I am at what she's done, and what she's tried to do to Natalie's sibling, by making her out to be mentally unwell, a danger to everyone, that poor poor child my heart hurts for them. So many years of intense therapy will be needed for these kids but particularly that one, the scapegoat.

I started typing this post at 9 am. it has taken me this long to get through the affidavit. I have no words that can adequately describe how hurt I am for these kids.

I read the entire affidavit last night. It seems that she got more and more stressed as they took on more children, but also enjoyed being “the savior” in the eyes of her town.
They adopted 5 children on one day, 3 years after their license was issued. That’s a crazy amount of change in 3 years considering they had had other fosters come and go during that time.
Then Covid hit. Her older kids are gone and she’s at home with 5 kids that she doesn’t have the capacity to care for.
And even after Natalie’s death, her abuse continued.
I’m so pissed that social workers saw signs of her making up things about the children, calling them derogatory names and still she remained licensed and adopted.
I’m pissed at how many people saw abuse and refused to do anything.
And Joseph was a piddling coward.

The link is here for anyone who wants to read it

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25536501/bu-2025-cr-000053-order-on-request-for-disclosure-of-an-affidavit-or-sworn-testimony.pdf

 

[Izzylizzy]

Affidavit details abuse allegations in death of child found buried at Rose Hill home, DCF responds to Open Records request

I really hope an investigation is made into how these monsters had care of any children. I'm sickened by how many vulnerable children are failed by so many.

In the affidavit it says that the Schroers adopted 5 children all on the same day.
The 3 sisters plus 2.
imo:
Right there it tells you something about an incompetent state agency/social worker(s).



The sister that CS targeted as violent/psychotic/killing NMG was Black/mixed race so was the other living sister white or also a mixed race?

Bottom of page 4.

"On Tuesday, September 10'", 2024, -, black female, was placed in Police
Protective Custody (PFC) as a Child In Need of Care (CINC), due to the circumstances that
developed. It was believed at the time that - was a suspect in taking the life of her younger
sibling. The only other child in the home at this time was -.'

 

[Izzylizzy]

A prior foster child told LE that he heard that CS was being questioned (unconfirmed) which is what led her to the suicide attempt..

Affidavit details abuse allegations in death of child found buried at Rose Hill home, DCF responds to Open Records request

The child’s remains were found buried in the backyard of a Rose Hill home in September 2024.

www.kwch.com

 

[Melt71]

snip ...... I hope they are getting so much counseling to process what they were forced to live in that household with the monster mother and ineffectual father. Joseph seems to have allowed Crystina to do whatever she wanted without any pushback or challenge.... snip

If the behaviour of the mother towards the father was as outlined in the affidavit then it is straight up domestic violence. Let's call it what it is, not 'ineffectual'. She's engaged in DV, coercive control at the very least. Yes it may be rarer for a man than a woman to experience this, but it is very real. He was only allowed $200 per paycheck and they had an income of $9k per month! And if that's what he experienced then he is also a victim in many respects. She also appears to have extended her attempts at control to the adult son, fiancee and their infant baby by trying to direct their child-raising; hard to know from the affadavit if that was just overbearing grandma or something more sinister. But even with the social worker:

(From the affadavit linked in the post above this one).

 

[eemrsk]

If the behaviour of the mother towards the father was as outlined in the affidavit then it is straight up domestic violence. Let's call it what it is, not 'ineffectual'. She's engaged in DV, coercive control at the very least. Yes it may be rarer for a man than a woman to experience this, but it is very real. He was only allowed $200 per paycheck and they had an income of $9k per month! And if that's what he experienced then he is also a victim in many respects. She also appears to have extended her attempts at control to the adult son, fiancee and their infant baby by trying to direct their child-raising; hard to know from the affadavit if that was just overbearing grandma or something more sinister. But even with the social worker:
View attachment 565241
(From the affadavit linked in the post above this one).

Victim or not, it is a parent’s responsibility to protect the children. He knew what was going on was wrong. He allowed the children out when she wasn’t home. He stood by for over 5 years while they were abused.

 

[tlcya]

In the affidavit it says that the Schroers adopted 5 children all on the same day.
The 3 sisters plus 2.
imo:
Right there it tells you something about an incompetent state agency/social worker(s).



The sister that CS targeted as violent/psychotic/killing NMG was Black/mixed race so was the other living sister white or also a mixed race?

Bottom of page 4.

"On Tuesday, September 10'", 2024, -, black female, was placed in Police
Protective Custody (PFC) as a Child In Need of Care (CINC), due to the circumstances that
developed. It was believed at the time that - was a suspect in taking the life of her younger
sibling. The only other child in the home at this time was -.'

and that child, the one Crystina was trying to convince everyone was psychotic and dangerous was one of the children she saved her worst derogatory slurs for. I won't type it but how anyone can openly refer to a child they've adopted with that slur is beyond me.

 

[tlcya]

If the behaviour of the mother towards the father was as outlined in the affidavit then it is straight up domestic violence. Let's call it what it is, not 'ineffectual'. She's engaged in DV, coercive control at the very least. Yes it may be rarer for a man than a woman to experience this, but it is very real. He was only allowed $200 per paycheck and they had an income of $9k per month! And if that's what he experienced then he is also a victim in many respects. She also appears to have extended her attempts at control to the adult son, fiancee and their infant baby by trying to direct their child-raising; hard to know from the affadavit if that was just overbearing grandma or something more sinister. But even with the social worker:
View attachment 565241
(From the affadavit linked in the post above this one).

Joseph Schroer lost any semblance of a victim status with me the moment we learned that he knew of the abuse, knew one of the children he adopted had been disappeared (allegedly sent to a psych ward but actually murdered) and did nothing. He lived in that house. The messages back and forth about her hatred of the children. That man knew and did nothing to protect the children he TOO had adopted. Zero sympathy from me. nada. MOO