GUILTY KS - Dr. George Tiller, 67, shot to death at his Wichita church, 31 May 2009

[DeeMarie]

I agree with you fae! And it gives the legislators and courts a great responsibility. They dropped the ball on Tiller's case by playing stupid political games in Kansas. Because they gave Tiller a nonsense trial a lunatic took matters into his own hands. People were so upset by that absurd trial...something crazy was bound to happen.

The trial did not create the murderer. A Psychopath used "religion" as the go ahead for assuming his actions were right. --He can just confess and being a killer will be forgiven, -- He did it for God because its the right thing to do because of his interpretation of the bible..etc etc.
True pro-lifers respect ALL forms of life. For anyone justifying any actions of the murderer because of not agreeing with what the Doctor did for a living is wrong. Its blaming the victim as if you would blame a woman who wore a short dress that was raped and killed. SHE should have been more careful-the doctor should have chosen a DIFFERENT profession - etc. Would opinions be different if he killed a person going into a clinic for birth control? This killers mind would condone this as well because his warped religious beliefs is that birth control is murder - ..The murder deserves no understanding or 2nd thought for what he did - because what lies underneath is a crazy belief system that is very scary and that many more than we know share. If there is no lawful action taken by the U.S. for what happened to stop it common citizens are next on the hit list.

 

[LinasK]

The trial did not create the murderer. A Psychopath used "religion" as the go ahead for assuming his actions were right. --He can just confess and being a killer will be forgiven, -- He did it for God because its the right thing to do because of his interpretation of the bible..etc etc.
True pro-lifers respect ALL forms of life. For anyone justifying any actions of the murderer because of not agreeing with what the Doctor did for a living is wrong. Its blaming the victim as if you would blame a woman who wore a short dress that was raped and killed. SHE should have been more careful-the doctor should have chosen a DIFFERENT profession - etc. Would opinions be different if he killed a person going into a clinic for birth control? This killers mind would condone this as well because his warped religious beliefs is that birth control is murder - ..The murder deserves no understanding or 2nd thought for what he did - because what lies underneath is a crazy belief system that is very scary and that many more than we know share. If there is no lawful action taken by the U.S. for what happened to stop it common citizens are next on the hit list.

I read something equally as crazy logic on the Daily KOS blog that made me chuckle: the woman poster stated that since periods cause eggs to die, then basically every woman who's ever had a period is a serial killer!

 

[Kat]

I said that I see this murder as domestic terrorism because I think that it may very well be likely revealed that this man arrested was a member of an extremist pro-life group.

The vast majority of pro-life supporters are not violent, and they do not condone violence as way of sharing and putting forth their viewpoints.

So if this man's beliefs were what compelled him to shoot a man in an act of cold blooded murder in his place of worship, in front of a congregation that also included children then yes...I see him as a domestic terrorist. Using terror and violence to try to effect changes stemming from his belief system.

Regardless of this Doctor's profession and how many view his practice. The fact remains he was shot to death in front of his family...in front of his brothers and sisters in worship...and in front of their children. That is horrifying.

I won't discuss my own beliefs here on this thread about what his practice involved, I have shared it on other threads.

I will share this, I am sorry for his family. I am sorry for those that were in that church when the gun shot was heard and they didn't know for a few minutes if they were next. Pure terror such as that can lay us asunder.

Prayers for this victim's family.

 

[kikid]

Im not sorry this guy is not with us anymore because of what he was doing. Abortion is one thing but the whole late term abortion is just disgusting. That being said I dont think someone should have taken it into their own hands to murder the guy. So they just did the exact thing to him that they were fighting to stop.

no they didn't do the "Exact thing" to him, he murdered the doctor.

In the United States of America, where we live, abortion is legal - even late term abortion if it endangers the life of the mother.

You can say this doctor was a murderer if that is what you think, but according to the RULE OF LAW, what he did was completely LEGAL, he was not LEGALLY a murderer. In fact, most late term abortions are done solely to save the life of the mother - so he was in fact the opposite of what you are saying he was!!

People cannot terrorize and murder others who hold different religious beliefs, in some egoic attempt to pressure/force others through FEAR to live according to THEIR beliefs !!! That is terrorism folks - and we've all seen where that type of holier than thou hate leads??

The law is the law, and it doesn't matter if you agree with it or not - Women have the legal right to control what happens to their own bodies!! According to that law, abortion is not murder.

 

[AmandaBrown23]

no they didn't do the "Exact thing" to him, he murdered the doctor.

In the United States of America, where we live, abortion is legal - even late term abortion if it endangers the life of the mother.

You can say this doctor was a murderer if that is what you think, but according to the RULE OF LAW, what he did was completely LEGAL, he was not LEGALLY a murderer. In fact, most late term abortions are done solely to save the life of the mother - so he was in fact the opposite of what you are saying he was!!

People cannot terrorize and murder others who hold different religious beliefs, in some egoic attempt to pressure/force others through FEAR to live according to THEIR beliefs !!! That is terrorism folks - and we've all seen where that type of holier than thou hate leads??

The law is the law, and it doesn't matter if you agree with it or not - Women have the legal right to control what happens to their own bodies!! According to that law, abortion is not murder.

Im not gonna debate abortion with anyone here. Murder is murder either way and is unacceptable. He should not have been killed and especially not in his church, that much I will agree on.

 

[imamaze]

Tiller Received Death Threat Weeks Before His Murder

Fifty-one-year-old Scott Roeder was formally charged in Sedgwick County court today with Dr. Tiller’s murder. There is also suspicion that he could be connected with several clinic vandalisms in the Kansas City area. More...

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Roeder charged with murder in the death of abortion provider Tiller

KTKA 49 News

Prosecutors charged Scott Roeder with first-degree murder in the death of late-term abortion provider George Tiller.

Roeder was charged Tuesday and made a brief court appearance.

The 51-year-old appeared via video from the Sedgwick County jail. More...

 

[imamaze]

New details on Roeder's ties to militia group

KTKA

When Scott Roeder lived in Topeka he was a member of a group who called themselves the Freemen, also known as the Freemen Militia.

The Freemen did not recognize official government authority, so they created their own government, which they called One Supreme Court, and lived by their own laws. More...

 

[imamaze]

Tiller's funeral Saturday morning in Wichita

KTKA

The funeral service for slain abortion provider George Tiller has been scheduled for 10 a.m. Saturday at College Hill United Methodist Church in Wichita.

Tiller's lawyers announced the schedule Tuesday at the request of his family. MOre...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree with you in part and I don't justify this murder. However, the facts of the case as presented in court would include the state of mind and belief of the accused and that would include his views on abortion. It can't be separated in that sense.

To apply a strict reasoning as you do is fine, but there are defenses that allow for taking mitigating circumstances into consideration, hence the different charges that can be made against a person who takes another's life.

What are the mitigating circumstances in this case?

imo

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Seriously- Just hoping you'll clarify the bold (by me). Are you referring to being pro-life as his "radical beliefs"?

No. This man took what is a civil issue and turned it into a vicious stalking of another person which ended in murder to promote his cause. To me, it means he went far beyond the boundaries of the law and I do consider him as having "radical beliefs" which are not reflective of most people who support the Pro-Life movement.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

What are the mitigating circumstances in this case?

imo

Yes, I would love an answer to this one, too!

 

[Fairy1]

I understand this fellow does not represent the vast majority of pro-life advocates. However, I cannot begin to understand how taking the life of a human being furthers the pro-life cause.

And not for nothin', but this guy has certainly never been, nor ever will be, pregnant under any circumstances. It would be interesting to find out exactly how he came to have such a fanatical position on this particular subject.

JMO....

 

[imamaze]

I don't think this particular article has been posted yet.

The Topeka Capital-Journal

Family Shares accused killer's history

As his marriage disintegrated in the early 1990s, Scott Roeder’s views on abortion grew so extreme that his then-wife wouldn’t bring up the issue.

“It scared me,” Lindsey Roeder said Monday from her Overland Park home. The picture emerging Monday of Roeder, accused in the shooting death of abortionist George Tiller on Sunday, is one of a man ardently anti-government and fervently anti-abortion.

He was a “heck of a nice guy” and a “loving son” to some, a “very scary” man to others. Family members said Roeder had struggled with mental health issues throughout his life, though he never thought so. Now, Wichita police are saying Roeder walked into the Reformation Lutheran Church shortly after 10 a.m. Sunday and shot to death Tiller, the lightning rod for Kansas’ ever-churning abortion debate. More...



I did read another article that said Operation Rescue released a statement saying Roeder wasn't a member nor had any ties to them.

 

[imamaze]

Tiller supporters sit in on suspect’s court appearance

The man accused of killing abortion provider Dr. George Tiller is formally charged with first degree murder and two counts of aggravated assault. Tiller was gunned down Sunday as he was serving as an usher in church. Police say the aggravated assault charges stem from threats made to other people in the church.
Cameras lined up outside the Sedgwick County Courthouse as the man accused of killing George Tiller appeared before a judge.
Scott Roeder appeared restless and asked the judge questions about his court-appointed attorney.
"What would the name of the attorney be, please?" Roeder asked. More…



DA:Former Topekan won’t face death penalty

WICHITA — An activist abortion opponent was charged Tuesday with first-degree murder in the death of late-term abortion provider George Tiller, and the prosecutor said the evidence in the case ruled out the death penalty.
Former Topekan Scott Roeder, 51, was shown via a video link from the Sedgwick County Jail. He fiddled with the charging documents on a podium in front of him, and said “OK” three times as Judge Ben Burgess read the charges and explained the court process.

 

[StealthTheory]

I cried so hard when I read the news. I cried so hard it shocked me.
I can't help but feel that every time someone called this man a murderer they made it that much less hard for someone to murder him.
Every woman in the USA, whether they feel they would need his services or want them, has lost something with his death. They lost an advocate of woman's health and choice.
Even his opponents lost something. They lost a bit of credibility in the media. This murderer also smeared them.

 

[mysterygirl]

Read some out takes of Luhra Tivis on her experiences in the abortion business working for Dr. Tiller. She was pro-choice and has reversed that view because of what she saw. But I warn you, I felt absolutely sick after reading one paragraph from an article.

Prayers for Dr. Tillers family.

 

[imamaze]

Affidavit: Roeder had $10.00

Roeder was required to sign a sworn affidavit in order to get a court-appointed attorney. In the document filed Tuesday, Roeder stated he had $10 in his bank account and no other property except his 1993 Ford Taurus.

The affidavit says he made $1,100 a month working at Quicksilver Airport Delivery — his fourth job in the past six months.

His monthly bills totaled nearly $470, most of which went to pay rent...More...

CJ Online


Pastor: Church begins healing

The church where late-term abortion provider George Tiller was killed is bringing in counselors to help members, the senior pastor said.

The Rev. Lowell Michelson of Reformation Lutheran Church said Tuesday that crisis intervention experts will help people work through their emotions. They will be available for group and individual counseling, he said...More...

CJ Online (Associated Press)



Security Concerns heightened

Four layers of bulletproof glass serve as windows at the clinic where Dr. Warren Hern performs abortions, a testament to the small fortune he's spent to protect himself and his staff against threats in the two decades since someone fired five shots into the building.

But the killing of longtime friend and colleague Dr. George Tiller in Kansas, and new threats received by Hern since Sunday's shooting, remind the Boulder, Colo. doctor and abortion providers nationwide only so much can be done to discourage violent opponents...More...

Associated Press





Phsician willing to succeed Tiller

Carhart, 67, is one of a handful of doctors in the United States who perform third-trimester abortions, and it is uncertain if a new generation of providers will take over the cause. Schools and universities don’t offer many programs to train physicians on how to perform the procedure, and Carhart said younger doctors who might be interested in stepping forward are afraid they or their families will be harmed...More...

Associated Press

 

[imamaze]

Bond sought for Roeder

Associated Press

The 51-year-old man charged with killing Kansas abortion provider George Tiller wants a judge to set bond... More...

 

[imamaze]

Roeder speaks from jail

CJ Online (Associated Press)

WICHITA — The man charged in the slaying of late-term abortion provider George Tiller says he's "being treated as a criminal" even though he hasn't been convicted of anything.

Scott Roeder called The Associated Press on Thursday from the Sedgwick County Jail and disputed what he called "broad brush" characterizations of him as being anti-government.

"I want people to stop and think: It is not anti-government, it is anti-corrupt government," Roeder said... More...

 

[imamaze]

Former marshall helped provide protection for George Tiller

The Wichita Eagle

Richard Schroeder helped protect Dr. George Tiller - first as a U.S. marshal and later as a private detective. Schroeder also got to know Tiller on a personal level and thought of him as a friend...More...