KS - Patricia Kimmi, 58, Horton, 6 Nov 2009 - #2

[Daisy_May]

She was at work (cleaning job) I'm guessing approx. 9:00 am to 1:00 - 1:30 pm. That was a normal Friday schedule for her, but I haven't checked personally w/ the people she cleaned for. She called me that morning either on her way to work or while she was at work and left a message, which I listened to that afternoon and erased, so I don't know the exact time and I can't even remember what she said exactly, I think something along the lines of just checking in (she always said that - "just checking in") and asking about weekend plans. She called me again after she left the cleaning job to say that she was going to a late lunch w/ friends and would not be stopping by my house as she had planned, asked again about weekend plans.

She went directly from the cleaning job to the friend's house who she went to eat w/ - another friend met there also. They went to a restaurant in Holton to eat, shopped at a store there also and got back to the friend's house around 5:00 pm.

She left there around 5:30 pm and is on the video going by a local convenience store at 5:40 pm on the way to her house. No one saw her or heard from her after that to my knowledge, unless there are emails or online posts. Some of her online friends have contacted us though, and they couldn't find any posts from her after Wednesday of that week.

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I'm sure the police have thought of this and you have too, but now it crosses my mind that could she have come across some dangerous information while cleaning for someone? Drugs? Child abuse? Child ... or maybe she didn't come across it, but for some reason they thought she had come across it and would say something. Far-out, I know. Sounds like a bizarre plot to a crazy movie, but this whole thing is like the Twilight Zone, isn't it? I don't know any of you, but this just haunts me and I want so much for you all to find your mom asap. I really think about this every single day and know living it has to be worse. (hugs and prayers)

 

[LogicalMinds]

She's got some from family members, some from a guy who I don't know, although he'd never delivered to her new house before, and a close friend of our family. Can you pm me w/ your thoughts?

Hi Rita ...you posted this about where your Mom bought the straw or hay for Skittles...

"some from a guy who I don't know, although he'd never delivered to her new house before"???

who was THAT guy?? Just an idea to check him out too?

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I understand your pain in talking about your father....as I read over the things you have said, I wonder if HE would be out talking to some guy/s? Maybe complaining..."she is all set...she has it made"....complaining about women "taking men to the cleaners in a divorce"...etc..

could his talk have set off some "buddy" or drinking buddy?? Maybe a guy who had past divorce problems and resentments of his own??

I hope you take these ideas in the spirit they are meant...I am sure this is so frustrating and hard for you and your family

(((hugs to you all)))

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

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I'm sure the police have thought of this and you have too, but now it crosses my mind that could she have come across some dangerous information while cleaning for someone? Drugs? Child abuse? Child ... or maybe she didn't come across it, but for some reason they thought she had come across it and would say something. Far-out, I know. Sounds like a bizarre plot to a crazy movie, but this whole thing is like the Twilight Zone, isn't it? I don't know any of you, but this just haunts me and I want so much for you all to find your mom asap. I really think about this every single day and know living it has to be worse. (hugs and prayers)

No, again I know these people really well, there wouldn't be a connection there, but I still appreciate the ideas. Thank you so much for thinking of us.

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

Hi Rita ...you posted this about where your Mom bought the straw or hay for Skittles...

"some from a guy who I don't know, although he'd never delivered to her new house before"???

who was THAT guy?? Just an idea to check him out too?

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I understand your pain in talking about your father....as I read over the things you have said, I wonder if HE would be out talking to some guy/s? Maybe complaining..."she is all set...she has it made"....complaining about women "taking men to the cleaners in a divorce"...etc..

could his talk have set off some "buddy" or drinking buddy?? Maybe a guy who had past divorce problems and resentments of his own??

I hope you take these ideas in the spirit they are meant...I am sure this is so frustrating and hard for you and your family

(((hugs to you all)))

I have the name of the guy, I don't know him at all. I'll see if LE was given his name.

And yes, I think that is the most likely scenario if my "dad" is involved. But who...I just don't know.

Our family told LE from the very beginning, we just want to know the truth. No need to sugarcoat anything, just give us the bottom line. Let's bring her home as soon as we can. So, we're not offended or hurt by any ideas from anyone here - we've already imagined the worst, the best, and everything in between. We just want some answers.

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

Rita, in the pictures posted yesterday by the Topeka paper I noticed the one with the computer.

Has LE checked the computer? Maybe for contacts and so on?

Yes, they took the computer the first or second day and are going thru everything.

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

Could she possibly have been followed home by some at the cleaning job? Did she work alone that day? You NEED to seek out her clients for that day, I think. This makes more sense to me than anything else. (Other than the "obvious" suspect.)
Much love to you and your family. I cried my eyes out when I decorated the bronze horse today with her ribbon. I feel worse every day, and so helpless tro be so far away...it's SO frustrating. *Heavy Sigh*

At the cleaning job, she works alone. There's only the one family that she cleans for once a week and I know them personally and they go to our church.

Believe me, we are all in the same boat, feeling helpless and useless. It's awful and I don't know what else to do, except to keep praying. I want so badly to find some answers and I don't understand why nothing's turning up. I want to think that there's that small chance that someone is holding her somewhere and she's still alive, BUT WHERE IS SHE???? We're no closer to finding her today than we were on that very first day. I think about her wondering where we are and why we haven't found her yet. It's miserable.

I think I know the true meaning of the "Footprints" poem now, because I'm on a bad version of autopilot and I wouldn't even be functioning at that level without some divine intervention.

Lord God above, if she is still on this earth, hold her in Your arms and protect and comfort her. Give her strength and hope. Convict the person who did this through the Holy Spirit to let her go or give us information that will help us find her. Burden them so heavily with what they have done that they have to tell someone. Lord help us all to deal with what has happened, especially the unknown. Help us in the toughest times and at our weakest moments, to still be faithful to Your word. I pray this in Jesus' name, AMEN.

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

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I just have to say that I am glad that all of you had such a close relationship with your mom.
ot: Having said that,
I was very close with my mom. We talked every day and sometimes more often. We lived a mile apart. I was out there for Sunday dinners.
I still stopped in on my way to work to have a little toast and gravy with mom and dad.
After mom died, I would have sworn she had no secrets from me, my sister, brother or my dad.
But she did. And I am very close with my two daughters and son. I live next door to one of the girls.
We all talk all the time.

If I disappeared, they would say that I have no secrets.

But I do.
Not big secrets, not how I felt about something or someone,
but the small stuff.
like...if I ate breakfast out, 6:00am, alone, just me and my book, four of us there and the waitress said oh my gosh, I met the people who own your parents house now and they said they completely tore up the creek for this big garden project.
Now, I would comment on that.
Would I tell my daughters? Yes, when I saw them.
But I wouldn't come home and call them up.

To me, it is something your mom heard or saw or commented on while she was out that Friday.

I don't know what it would be from that day, from what her friends have told me. They are both close friends of hers, especially one of them. They've been friends for years and years and are great people. She and her husband are going thru exactly what we are going thru, spending so much time every day thinking of what the answer to this could be.

There's no one I know of who she came in contact with that day who even enters the realm of suspicion to me. I know all of those people so well.

We feel like we go around and round in the same circle. It makes me crazy.

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

Someone from her Church?

She probably would open the door to most, if not all, the people from our church. But who? It's not like we have a huge congregation but I don't know of anyone who would have motive or who fits the evidence we have.

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

This is such a hard case, even if we guess who she may have opened the door to, it will help us know what maybe they were dressed as or know what type of person she may have opened it for.
Yet the crime scenes tell us something.
There was nothing missing, no robbery, Robbery wasn't the motive.
It seems if it was a random attack, they would have attacked her and did whatever in her home and then left her there.
IMO, this wasn't random. Someone took her with the intention of bringing her somewhere. Otherwise they would have harmed her in her home if it was random.
It's almost as if whoever took her wanted to bring her to someone else
or
bring her to their own "turf" so that they would have even more "control" over her, they'd have the upper hand so to speak on their own property where they known who comes and goes, and Pat wouldn't have the security of being in her own house and knowing where everything is. In a strange environment to the victim, the abductor has more of an "advantage" in his own familiar surroundings, than that of the victim.

I guess the question remains that, who took her? Was the abductor taking her to someone else (i.e. hired for dirty work, or took the "duty" upon themselves)
or
Is the abductor one and the same and did the deed himself without having hired anyone else?

How long was he following her that day? Even if she did stop at a gas station, he could have stopped across the street out of the view of the gas station cameras..

Rita, my prayers for you and your family during this nightmare..

I'd give a million bucks to know the answer to just one of those questions.

 

[Whiskey Horse]

At the cleaning job, she works alone. There's only the one family that she cleans for once a week and I know them personally and they go to our church.

Believe me, we are all in the same boat, feeling helpless and useless. It's awful and I don't know what else to do, except to keep praying. I want so badly to find some answers and I don't understand why nothing's turning up. I want to think that there's that small chance that someone is holding her somewhere and she's still alive, BUT WHERE IS SHE???? We're no closer to finding her today than we were on that very first day. I think about her wondering where we are and why we haven't found her yet. It's miserable.

I think I know the true meaning of the "Footprints" poem now, because I'm on a bad version of autopilot and I wouldn't even be functioning at that level without some divine intervention.



Lord God above, if she is still on this earth, hold her in Your arms and protect and comfort her. Give her strength and hope. Convict the person who did this through the Holy Spirit to let her go or give us information that will help us find her. Burden them so heavily with what they have done that they have to tell someone. Lord help us all to deal with what has happened, especially the unknown. Help us in the toughest times and at our weakest moments, to still be faithful to Your word. I pray this in Jesus' name, AMEN.

And we're all praying with you, Rita. A beautiful prayer.

Amen

 

[LogicalMinds]

Hi Rita.....I do think it is a good idea to have them check out the one guy you don't seem to personally know, the guy who sold her straw/hay? for Skittles

how did she come to buy from him....does HE know your dad etc??

also....any vagrants in the area? troublesome drunks....people who are mentally ill...
ex cons....
????? general "bad news" types????

Bars where your dad hangs out at??? Any troublemakers there?

 

[LLady]

Rita, Gene, Tony, David

Just wanted to let you all know that we are keeping all of you in our thoughts and prayers every day.

I set here every night and try to think of who might have done something like this to your mom. I can't think of a single person in this town that would be involved in something like this. As I know all of you have. So then, I think, who would I open the door for if I were home alone? The mailman, we know them all. UPS I know him, FedEx, usually know who that person is. Also, none of them would be delivering at that time of night.

So, what I am thinking is she let the dog out. Heard the dog cry, like it may have been hurt and went running see what was wrong and they were there waiting for her to open the door. You did say the dog was acting skidish. That might explain why. Someone hurt the dog by kicking it enough to make it yelp to get your mom to the door quickly without grabbing her phone. It would be no different than if it were one of our kids or one of our pets when we think they are hurt, we go running. I don't think it was someone she knew. I think the dog ran in the house for safety as soon as she opened the door.

I could be totally wrong, but that is all I can think of that would make her go to the door quick enough to not grab her phone. The only problem I see with this is, how did they get up to her house without her hearing them? I have never been around a dually that was quiet in any manor. So did they try and knock her out and carry her down to the road? Thought she was out, but to their surprise wasn't?

Still doesn't help with who or why? But just something to think about.

 

[bowmancabin]

Rita, Gene, Tony, David

Just wanted to let you all know that we are keeping all of you in our thoughts and prayers every day.

I set here every night and try to think of who might have done something like this to your mom. I can't think of a single person in this town that would be involved in something like this. As I know all of you have. So then, I think, who would I open the door for if I were home alone? The mailman, we know them all. UPS I know him, FedEx, usually know who that person is. Also, none of them would be delivering at that time of night.

So, what I am thinking is she let the dog out. Heard the dog cry, like it may have been hurt and went running see what was wrong and they were there waiting for her to open the door. You did say the dog was acting skidish. That might explain why. Someone hurt the dog by kicking it enough to make it yelp to get your mom to the door quickly without grabbing her phone. It would be no different than if it were one of our kids or one of our pets when we think they are hurt, we go running. I don't think it was someone she knew. I think the dog ran in the house for safety as soon as she opened the door.

I could be totally wrong, but that is all I can think of that would make her go to the door quick enough to not grab her phone. The only problem I see with this is, how did they get up to her house without her hearing them? I have never been around a dually that was quiet in any manor. So did they try and knock her out and carry her down to the road? Thought she was out, but to their surprise wasn't?

Still doesn't help with who or why? But just something to think about.

Re: last paragraph..maybe Pat was in the bathroom or had gone to the basement..maybe that would explain why she did not see or hear the dually pu?...but this would have to coincide with the dog was also out & the door was open?...and that she was taken soon after she arrived home?

Assume LE can determine what time she was using the computer &/or if she made any phone calls after she got home....
wondered if the computer was located in a room with a view to the driveway...

Could the PU have been parked somewhere waiting for Pat to come home, see her drive in & see the lights come on in the house?

The Saylor hat from Sabetha - I just looked at a map - Sabetha is about 7 miles south of the Kansas/Nebraska state line - suggest or hope that flyers have been posted in the south Nebraska area + media coverage.

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

Hi Rita.....I do think it is a good idea to have them check out the one guy you don't seem to personally know, the guy who sold her straw/hay? for Skittles

how did she come to buy from him....does HE know your dad etc??

also....any vagrants in the area? troublesome drunks....people who are mentally ill...
ex cons....
????? general "bad news" types????

Bars where your dad hangs out at??? Any troublemakers there?

I'll check on the hay guy today - I'm not sure how she found him or knew of him.

There are a few of those such people whose names have been given to LE.

And I don't know bars where he hangs out - I'm sure there are troublemakers in every bar, but I don't know his places.

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

Rita, Gene, Tony, David

Just wanted to let you all know that we are keeping all of you in our thoughts and prayers every day.

I set here every night and try to think of who might have done something like this to your mom. I can't think of a single person in this town that would be involved in something like this. As I know all of you have. So then, I think, who would I open the door for if I were home alone? The mailman, we know them all. UPS I know him, FedEx, usually know who that person is. Also, none of them would be delivering at that time of night.

So, what I am thinking is she let the dog out. Heard the dog cry, like it may have been hurt and went running see what was wrong and they were there waiting for her to open the door. You did say the dog was acting skidish. That might explain why. Someone hurt the dog by kicking it enough to make it yelp to get your mom to the door quickly without grabbing her phone. It would be no different than if it were one of our kids or one of our pets when we think they are hurt, we go running. I don't think it was someone she knew. I think the dog ran in the house for safety as soon as she opened the door.

I could be totally wrong, but that is all I can think of that would make her go to the door quick enough to not grab her phone. The only problem I see with this is, how did they get up to her house without her hearing them? I have never been around a dually that was quiet in any manor. So did they try and knock her out and carry her down to the road? Thought she was out, but to their surprise wasn't?

Still doesn't help with who or why? But just something to think about.

That is a possibility but the catch is her not hearing the noise of the truck. Have you seen the driveway? That would be a long walk to struggle w/ someone and there's not really a good place to park a truck anywhere close that would not be seen. I still feel like it's only one guy we're looking for but there could have been 2 people - one goes to the door to get her and then the other drives up.

The dog did not appear to be injured and acted completely normal most of the first day. In thinking back, I wonder if she was mostly scared because of different people going in and out. LE were all men and she doesn't like men. the first day when I pulled up, she was looking out the window and just watched me and followed me around as I looked around the house. She was playing w/ a pair of Mom's socks.

I really don't know what to think. I wish I knew we were right on ANY of our assumptions.

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

Re: last paragraph..maybe Pat was in the bathroom or had gone to the basement..maybe that would explain why she did not see or hear the dually pu?...but this would have to coincide with the dog was also out & the door was open?...and that she was taken soon after she arrived home?

Assume LE can determine what time she was using the computer &/or if she made any phone calls after she got home....
wondered if the computer was located in a room with a view to the driveway...

Could the PU have been parked somewhere waiting for Pat to come home, see her drive in & see the lights come on in the house?

The Saylor hat from Sabetha - I just looked at a map - Sabetha is about 7 miles south of the Kansas/Nebraska state line - suggest or hope that flyers have been posted in the south Nebraska area + media coverage.

Thank you for the idea on Nebraska media - I've only contacted those in Kansas so I will work on that today.

We've thought about if she was in the bathroom and came out to find someone coming thru the door...IF she left the door unlocked. I rule it out because of this: if she was in another room, specifically the bathroom, and heard the door opening, she took the time to turn the light off before coming out of the bathroom, walking thru the bedroom, and out into the living room. And if she came out that way to confront someone opening her front door, there's no sign she tried to get to the phone or run AWAY from the front door - nothing is knocked over, broken, scattered - nothing.

LE does have her computer information and phone records.

Her office does face the driveway. If she heard something, she could have looked out the window and seen the entire driveway, all the way to the road. I still think she was not surprised by someone. Her house is so quiet. She would have heard any vehicle as they drove into the circle drive, no matter how quiet they were. There was no tv or radio on when I came in the next day. And if she took the time to turn them off, to answer the door, that makes me again think she knows this person, because she took the time to do that instead of reaching for the phone that was right beside her.

 

[Mima]

Was there any indication that the perp was inside the house at all? Or was the stir confined to the porch area?

Can you say why you think there was just one person? Is it because she escaped down the road and if there were two she wouldn't have gotten out?

I think there were two perps. One waiting down the road in the truck and the other was dropped off at the house to wait for her to come home.

I'm just trying to figure out how she got out of the truck down the road.

That would explain why she didn't hear anyone pull up.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

What if the dually was not a part of this at all?

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

Was there any indication that the perp was inside the house at all? Or was the stir confined to the porch area?

Can you say why you think there was just one person? Is it because she escaped down the road and if there were two she wouldn't have gotten out?

I think there were two perps. One waiting down the road in the truck and the other was dropped off at the house to wait for her to come home.

I'm just trying to figure out how she got out of the truck down the road.

That would explain why she didn't hear anyone pull up.

If the person was ever inside the house, there's no indication of it.

It's just my opinion that there was one person, and I'm mostly basing that on the fact that she was able to get out of the vehicle.

I don't know where the vehicle could have been hiding while the first person went to the house. Or, if they were just circling the area, I think there would have been reports of people seeing it since it was so early in the evening.

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

What if the dually was not a part of this at all?

It was.