KY - Breonna Taylor, 26, unarmed, fatally shot multiple times by police, Louisville, 13 Mar 2020

[Kimmer]

Having a community that has full carry weapon laws, and also having stand your ground laws while also have NKW is setting up homeowners and LE, I am happy the NKW have been taken off the table because having those laws on the books in March of this year was a horrible set of State and City laws. I am for full carry gun laws (I myself have a gun) I am also for stand your ground laws, but when you add the NKW to the eqaution it is a dangerous combination for LE as well as the home owner who thinks they are being broken into.

 

[Alderyn]

Having a community that has full carry weapon laws, and also having stand your ground laws while also have NKW is setting up homeowners and LE, I am happy the NKW have been taken off the table because having those laws on the books in March of this year was a horrible set of State and City laws. I am for full carry gun laws (I myself have a gun) I am also for stand your ground laws, but when you add the NKW to the eqaution it is a dangerous combination for LE as well as the home owner who thinks they are being broken into.

The very fact that the US has a constitutional right to bear arms but police have unending leeway to shoot at the first suggestion, first mention or sight of a gun is setting a dangerous and actively violent environment for everyone, citizens and cops alike.

 

[IceIce9]

The very fact that the US has a constitutional right to bear arms but police have unending leeway to shoot at the first suggestion, first mention or sight of a gun is setting a dangerous and actively violent environment for everyone, citizens and cops alike.

In this particular case, the boyfriend fired the first shot. At that point the police can’t just turn around and leave. They are allowed to return fire.

 

[tresir2012]

So the results of Grand Juries are not going to be respected?

Whose gun actually killed Breonna or was it a ricochet? Or from several of the officers guns? How many shots did her boyfriend fire?

I haven't fully followed all the details.

 

[Alderyn]

In this particular case, the boyfriend fired the first shot. At that point the police can’t just turn around and leave. They are allowed to return fire.

Nothing I said referenced a specific opinion about what the cops did in this case so I’m not sure why you felt the need to quote and respond to my post with this opinion.


And the first shot was fired after a no knock raid which has been demonstrated by other posters to be an incredibly stupid dangerous and deadly approach used by law enforcement.

 

[JerseyGirl]

WHY WAS NO ONE CHARGED WITH SHOOTING BREONNA TAYLOR?
Cameron said the fatal bullet was fired by Cosgrove, but added that Cosgrove and Mattingly were justified in the use of force because they were shot at first. Cameron said state law “bars us from seeking charges in Breonna Taylor’s death.” Cameron also said there was no conclusive evidence that any of Hankison’s 10 gunshots hit Taylor inside her home. But Hankison was charged with three counts of wanton endangerment for firing shots that went into another home with people inside.

WHY WAS OFFICER BRETT HANKISON GIVEN A $15,000 BOND?
Hankison, who was fired from the Louisville department in June, was the only officer charged by the grand jury. The first-degree wanton endangerment charges are Class D, the lowest level felonies in Kentucky, which have a sentencing range of one to five years in prison upon conviction. When Hankison was fired, interim Police Chief Robert Schroeder said that Hankison showed “extreme indifference to the value of human life” when he fired “blindly” into Taylor’s home.

WILL THERE BE ANY OTHER CHARGES?
Cameron said it is unlikely there will be any further criminal charges. Lawyers for Taylor’s family had called for a minimum of manslaughter charges. Cameron said his team “walked the grand jury through every homicide offense and then the grand jury was the one that made the ultimate decision.”

Q&A: What were the results of Breonna Taylor investigation?

Federal officials are continuing to investigate whether the officers committed any civil rights violations, and that probe is also investigating a fourth officer, Joshua Jaynes, who sought the warrant for Taylor’s home.

Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer also said Louisville police are conducting a professional standards investigation to look into if any officers involved in the raid that night need further training or discipline.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Breonna Taylor’s neighbor relives morning of LMPD search warrant leading to Taylor’s death

Renee Pruitt said during the early morning hours on March 13, she woke up to gunshots.

Pruitt said she couldn’t tell if any bullets ended up inside her apartment until the next day, later discovering some of the bullets had traveled inside another neighboring apartment.

According to Pruitt, the woman who lived there was pregnant at the time, and her young son was asleep inside.

Pruitt said because of that, she believes former LMPD Detective Brett Hankison, who was charged with three counts of first-degree wanton endangerment, received “just a slap on the wrist.”

“You blindly shot into this (Breonna Taylor’s) apartment, and not to mention other people’s, and you get three counts of wanton endangerment?” Pruitt said.

“I’ve never been a part of anything like this, but for me actually living here and getting to see it firsthand, yeah, Breonna deserves justice,” Pruitt said. “Like I said, not all cops are bad. I’ve never been that way. I need the cops just as much as anyone else, but when you’re wrong, you’re wrong. Whether it’s a cop, doctor, lawyer, when you’re wrong you’re wrong.”

 

[tresir2012]

Breonna Taylor’s neighbor relives morning of LMPD search warrant leading to Taylor’s death

Renee Pruitt said during the early morning hours on March 13, she woke up to gunshots.

Pruitt said she couldn’t tell if any bullets ended up inside her apartment until the next day, later discovering some of the bullets had traveled inside another neighboring apartment.

According to Pruitt, the woman who lived there was pregnant at the time, and her young son was asleep inside.

Pruitt said because of that, she believes former LMPD Detective Brett Hankison, who was charged with three counts of first-degree wanton endangerment, received “just a slap on the wrist.”

“You blindly shot into this (Breonna Taylor’s) apartment, and not to mention other people’s, and you get three counts of wanton endangerment?” Pruitt said.

“I’ve never been a part of anything like this, but for me actually living here and getting to see it firsthand, yeah, Breonna deserves justice,” Pruitt said. “Like I said, not all cops are bad. I’ve never been that way. I need the cops just as much as anyone else, but when you’re wrong, you’re wrong. Whether it’s a cop, doctor, lawyer, when you’re wrong you’re wrong.”

The thread title states she was shot 8 times. So those shots only came from the two officers Cosgrove and Mattingly, with the fatal shot being from Cosgrove. Hankison's shots went into the wall and neighbouring apartment. Is that correct?

 

[IceIce9]

The thread title states she was shot 8 times. So those shots only came from the two officers Cosgrove and Mattingly, with the fatal shot being from Cosgrove. Hankison's shots went into the wall and neighbouring apartment. Is that correct?

Yes. And actually, according to the investigation she was shot 6 times.

Cosgrove fired the fatal shot but he was justified because her boyfriend fired at officers first.

Her boyfriend was allowed to shoot to protect his home. Officers were allowed to return fire after they were shot at. So her death was a tragic accident, but Cosgrove couldn’t be charged because he did nothing wrong.

The endangerment charges were because Hankison fired shots blindly, not at a specific target or threat, and endangered the lives of the people in the other apartment.

 

[Deleted member 267032]

I also completely agree with this post, where I think my main problem is the NKW was given with bad information so that is the first piece of this whole problem. the officer who applied for the warrant lied, he claimed he spoke to a postal inspector and drugs were being routed thru Breonna's house, the postal inspector has publicly stated that conversation never happened, he did tell LE that packages had been sent to Glover at Taylors address in Jan 2020 but there was no suspicion of drugs being involved at that point there should have never been an application for a NKW and even the when a warrant is applied for it is to be with up to date 48-72 hours before the raid not 2 months old.
This has been a sticking point in this whole process and the Officer who lied to get the warrant is still working for LMPD and has not been charged with even lying on the application.. So the officers who were sent on that raid were also with the original officer that applied for the warrant, they did terrible surveillance and thought she was home alone. There were so many mistakes made that we already know about
What may be being held back in documents that we have yet to see? and the AG admitted that the Grand Jury was not given the info that the warrant application had falsehoods in it, how can you expect a Grand Jury to make an informed decision without all of the facts?
This is where a lot of the anger not only in this community but nationwide is coming from.
And the Governor even admitted today that the AG said things in his presser that the Mayor as well as the Governor were not made aware of. So this whole case stinks to high heaven and I do NOT blame the Grand Jury they did what they did with the information supplied to them.
The Judge signed off on the NKW based on information provided to her it just was not truthful information.

I think the officer that obtained the warrant has been suspended. Also, I don't believe how the warrant was obtained has any relevance as to whether the officers were juustified in returning fire. Also, I see nothing sinister in the Governor & Mayor learning some new information at the same time as the public. I would agree there were many errors made in this case & you characterize it as stinks to high heaven. However, even though the GJ may not have been given everything you would like, they were charged with determing whether the officers should be charged with her death. The GJ was not investigating if this was a screwed up mess. jmo

 

[tresir2012]

Yes. And actually, according to the investigation she was shot 6 times.

Cosgrove fired the fatal shot but he was justified because her boyfriend fired at officers first.

Her boyfriend was allowed to shoot to protect his home. Officers were allowed to return fire after they were shot at. So her death was a tragic accident, but Cosgrove couldn’t be charged because he did nothing wrong.

The endangerment charges were because Hankison fired shots blindly, not at a specific target or threat, and endangered the lives of the people in the other apartment.

How many shots did the boyfriend fire?

 

[Dawookie]

Nothing I said referenced a specific opinion about what the cops did in this case so I’m not sure why you felt the need to quote and respond to my post with this opinion.


And the first shot was fired after a no knock raid which has been demonstrated by other posters to be an incredibly stupid dangerous and deadly approach used by law enforcement.

It wasnt exactly a no knock raid. They were banging on the door which is why the boyfriend got out of bed and grabbed his gun.

 

[IceIce9]

I think the title of this thread should be changed to “shot 6 times” instead of 8 times since the investigation determined she was shot 6 times.

Q&A: What were the results of Breonna Taylor investigation?

Cameron said that Taylor was shot six times on the night of her death, but only one of the gunshots was fatal. Sgt. John Mattingly had entered the home after the door was broken down, and he was shot once in the leg by Walker, Taylor’s boyfriend. Walker has said he didn’t know the police were at the door, and he fired a “warning shot,” thinking it was an intruder. After Walker fired, Mattingly, Hankison and a third officer, Myles Cosgrove, returned fire, for a total of 32 gunshots fired by police.

 

[kaen]

"Three officers fired a total of 32 shots, Mr. Cameron said. Rounds fired by Sgt. Jonathan Mattingly and Detective Myles Cosgrove struck Ms. Taylor, he said, while Mr. Hankison fired 10 rounds, none of which struck Ms. Taylor." 2 Officers Shot in Louisville Protests Over Breonna Taylor Charging Decision

Was the fatal shot to Ms. Taylor in the first volley or after the reload? That question has yet to be answered as far as I can tell.

It is inconclusive that Hankinson's 10 shots hit Ms. Taylor but somehow it is identified that the bullets in the neighboring apartment were his. How can we be sure that Hankinson's bullets didn't enter her home? Are all ten of his bullets accounted for and determined to be his but they never entered her apartment? He was at her door firing into her apartment.

Cosgrove fired 16 shots (IIRC). Was his first shot the "kill" shot or the last after a reload? Mattingly was shot by Walker but shot further into the apartment. It would have been good to know these details.

For forensics people out there, why is it not possible to determine which bullet came from which gun? And, if that is the case, how do we know it is Cosgrove's bullet that was the shot that killed her but don't know the origin of any other bullet?

I am confused. I hope the report is released so we can read what was said and get answers to these questions.

 

[tresir2012]

"Three officers fired a total of 32 shots, Mr. Cameron said. Rounds fired by Sgt. Jonathan Mattingly and Detective Myles Cosgrove struck Ms. Taylor, he said, while Mr. Hankison fired 10 rounds, none of which struck Ms. Taylor." 2 Officers Shot in Louisville Protests Over Breonna Taylor Charging Decision

Was the fatal shot to Ms. Taylor in the first volley or after the reload? That question has yet to be answered as far as I can tell.

It is inconclusive that Hankinson's 10 shots hit Ms. Taylor but somehow it is identified that the bullets in the neighboring apartment were his. How can we be sure that Hankinson's bullets didn't enter her home? Are all ten of his bullets accounted for and determined to be his but they never entered her apartment? He was at her door firing into her apartment.

Cosgrove fired 16 shots (IIRC). Was his first shot the "kill" shot or the last after a reload? Mattingly was shot by Walker but shot further into the apartment. It would have been good to know these details.

For forensics people out there, why is it not possible to determine which bullet came from which gun? And, if that is the case, how do we know it is Cosgrove's bullet that was the shot that killed her but don't know the origin of any other bullet?

I am confused. I hope the report is released so we can read what was said and get answers to these questions.

Why wasn't Walker hit by any of the 32 shots but Breonna got 6 of them? Has that been explained?

 

[IceIce9]

How many shots did the boyfriend fire?

I haven’t seen the number he fired, only the fact that he shot first, striking the officer.

 

[JerseyGirl]

How many shots did the boyfriend fire?

1 warning shot.

 

[kaen]

Why wasn't Walker hit by any of the 32 shots but Breonna got 6 of them? Has that been explained?

No, it hasn't. I believe the AG said that the focus was on the justifiable discharge of the weapons after the first shot by Walker. Walker fired. The police shot back. Ms. Taylor becomes collateral damage in this scenario. The question of why she was shot rather than Walker is moot, according to the AG. She was in the wrong place (her apartment hallway) at the wrong time (after midnight) as they entered her apartment.

 

[kaen]

1 warning shot.

It was indeed one shot, that hit the person he thought was intruding into his home. The shot was into his target's leg.

 

[Dawookie]

Why wasn't Walker hit by any of the 32 shots but Breonna got 6 of them? Has that been explained?

That's a very good question.