KY KY - Crystal Rogers, 35, Bluegrass Parkway, 3 July 2015 #1

[krig101]

Oh, meaning the child must have been with him if he is the person who staged the vehicle?

Well... I have no idea why the assumption would be that he took the child with him after disposing of mother and staging her car, instead of leaving child at home. (Again, assuming that's what happened.) For all we know, the little one slept soundly for 9+ hours in his own bed. Nothing really addresses this.

This wasn't in an apartment building where people might hear unusual child crying throughout a night. It was a standalone house. And assuming the child did somehow wake up to find all grownups gone, who would have ever known?! No one would have heard the crying. And he was too little to use the phone, etc. :-(

If the guy is capable of murder then can be capable of leaving a child home alone. IMO

I wonder if the poor child would have seen the whole thing happen


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[SchoolgirlShamus]

The oh-so-helpful "that's a great question and I'm glad you asked it, Nancy!" [wth?] boyfriend never did answer the extremely simple question of dinner that night. Why not? It's easy enough. I do see some marks in the ice that look like "skating" around the question. Why?

Just when NG is on my last nerve, I sort of see a method in her madness... lol

Anyway. At least at this point, the question of the events of Crystal's last night at home, and the way the boyfriend answered (or didn't answer) them is what the experts call "sensitive" I believe.

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

Another blonde, Paige Johnson, went missing in Kentucky in 2010. She also had a 2 yo.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?116134-KY-Paige-Johnson-17-Florence-23-Sept-2010

Yes, I remember that. At the time I lived about a half mile from where she (supposedly) disappeared from. The poor young woman has still never been found.

Bardstown is over 2 hours/over 100 miles from where Paige disappeared, though. Or more, if you count the late-night pings in neighboring Ohio from the phone of the guy who saw Paige last, but also denied ever having left his home in KY that night...hm.

There is some PI somewhere (Florida?) who tried, on his blog, to lump Paige, Lauren Spierer, Katelyn Markham, some other folks together as evidence of a serial killer. He'll probably add Crystal now. I would weigh his notions against common sense, though.

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

The boyfriend talked about a timeline when he was on Nancy Grace. Was this timeline ever posted online, or...?

I'm wondering in what order, exactly, she did all those numerous tasks... pick kids up, go to Walmart, drop kids off, pick other kids up, go show a rental house, go home to eat [??BoyfriendConfusion!] for dinner, go hang out with his relatives at a farm nearby, then a gap of time for 3+ hours... then him mentioning seeing her "around midnight" on her phone. At which point he checked out by going to sleep. ... ?

(Reminds me of another case, Katelyn Markham, and gives me the creeps... she was just fine "around midnight"...only that boyfriend checked out by leaving, not sleeping. But pretty similar in other ways. In both cases, uncertain statements as to what the night was like -- except that it was "normal" -- though statement analysis later showed deception.)

 

[jULIA_bEE]

Yes, I remember that. At the time I lived about a half mile from where she (supposedly) disappeared from. The poor young woman has still never been found.

Bardstown is over 2 hours/over 100 miles from where Paige disappeared, though. Or more, if you count the late-night pings in neighboring Ohio from the phone of the guy who saw Paige last, but also denied ever having left his home in KY that night...hm.

There is some PI somewhere (Florida?) who tried, on his blog, to lump Paige, Lauren Spierer, Katelyn Markham, some other folks together as evidence of a serial killer. He'll probably add Crystal now. I would weigh his notions against common sense, though.

He recently added Brooklyn Farthing to that list too. She went missing about 2 years ago from Berea. Young, blond hair...

I still don't quite understand the interview BH did on NG. I need to listen to it instead of read the transcript because some it is hard to follow. I don't like how he answers simple questions with so much information that isn't needed. I know he stated that he hadn't sought any legal advice but when I read it, it seemed very scripted and rehearsed. I think he came across sounding the opposite of what he intended. Honestly, maybe he should've sat and had a conversation with an attorney because he just didn't come off as very genuine. I hope they find her soon.


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[SchoolgirlShamus]

He recently added Brooklyn Farthing to that list too. She went missing about 2 years ago from Berea. Young, blond hair...

I still don't quite understand the interview BH did on NG. I need to listen to it instead of read the transcript because some it is hard to follow. I don't like how he answers simple questions with so much information that isn't needed.

Yes indeed. I was trying to cut him all possible slack, but got brought up short over and over saying, "Aw, what the hell, now." :-( I don't want it to be that way.

I know he stated that he hadn't sought any legal advice but when I read it, it seemed very scripted and rehearsed. I think he came across sounding the opposite of what he intended. Honestly, maybe he should've sat and had a conversation with an attorney because he just didn't come off as very genuine. I hope they find her soon.

I think he said he hadn't "lawyered up." I assumed that meant he had not paid a retainer, thus retained counsel. That doesn't mean he didn't get legal advice, though.

 

[steelman]

I don't understand this notion that the boyfriend (or, whoever) couldn't have walked 12 to 10 to whatever miles to a town from the broken-down vehicle. Not only would it not take all night to walk it, it wouldn't even take half the night! It would take 3 hours maybe, at normal walking pace. And if you've got a highly-motivated person who is jogging some of the way, it'd take even less time.

A flat tire would suck for a perp staging the vehicle, sure. But the location of the breakdown is in NO way PROOF that the perp had to have an accomplice following him to get home and/or get anywhere! That's nonsense. Are people truly this unfamiliar with how long it takes to walk X number of miles?

I think it'd be helpful going forward with this case to eliminate the supposed unlikelihood of someone leaving the car on foot. It's entirely feasible that someone could have done so.

When's the last time you walked 12 miles ? How about 12 miles in the darkness ? How many people would have seen you while you were doing it ?

No witnesses I know of have said they saw Houck walking, jogging, or running towards town, through town, or in his neighborhood the night this occurred. Nobody has come forward saying they picked him up hitchhiking alongside the road either.

 

[concernedmother]

I wonder if they could have had a fight, she left and he followed. She was trying to get away and had the flat? Someone pulling up immediately right behind her could have forced her into a car before she had time to make a call to try to get help. jmo

 

[Ros]

Based on my experience and observations, if one has been training for a half-marathon, walking 10 miles would not be that bad. If one has not been training, one is likely to get cramps and have a lot of muscle pain the next day, but it can be done. It would take 3-5 hours, depending on terrain and training.

 

[SleuthMc]

So many things about this case don't make sense. If she was going to visit BH family on the evening of July 3 and later using her phone, why wasn't she communicating with her daughter and mother? If she was expected to be at a family gathering on July 4, did anybody try finding her then, and where did they look? Why wasn't she reported missing until Sunday?


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She was only going to see BH on July 3, at BH family farm. I'm unclear at this point if anyone lives in the 'family farm' home. So far that I've gathered, she was supposedly alone at the home with BH and baby. The family gathering was BH's family.

BH mentioned she was showing a rental property before she arrived and BH family farm and they 'went out and came back'.

On NG, he didn't state 'what' they had for dinner.

I think there are holes in the story from the time she left wal-mart and dropped other children off.

Showed rental property...
Daughter and mother sent texts looking for her...
Went to BH family farm...
Went out and came back...
Stayed up playing games on phone...(with unanswered texts)

 

[2Hope4]

On hln now

 

[krig101]

Based on my experience and observations, if one has been training for a half-marathon, walking 10 miles would not be that bad. If one has not been training, one is likely to get cramps and have a lot of muscle pain the next day, but it can be done. It would take 3-5 hours, depending on terrain and training.

There is a metro park near my house with an 8 mile walking/bike trail and I know people that walk it on a regular basis with no problem. I've done it, but yes it takes a while for me because I am so out of shape and need lots of breaks! When I was younger it was MUCH easier to do than now lol. But as Steelman says he would have to do it without being seen and at night it would be tough. And again the child has to fit in there somehow. Could there have been an off the main road path that was hidden he could have walked? Also if he were trying to ditch the vehicle at a specific location, how was he planning to get home? Or was he returning from where Crystal is and planned on placing the car closer to home and then walk only to get a flat? My mind keeps going back and forth to if there was a helper or not.

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[Inthedetails]

Based on my experience and observations, if one has been training for a half-marathon, walking 10 miles would not be that bad. If one has not been training, one is likely to get cramps and have a lot of muscle pain the next day, but it can be done. It would take 3-5 hours, depending on terrain and training.

I think a grown man in reasonable shape would be perfectly capable of walking 12 miles home. But, I seriously doubt that happened in this case.

JMO

 

[steelman]

It's on Nancy Grace again right now

 

[concernedmother]

My heart breaks for her parents.

 

[steelman]

Jean Casarez is such a nicer, friendlier person than Nancy, isn't she ?

She can actually make it through the entire show without calling a defense lawyer an idiot a single time.

 

[concernedmother]

Jean Casarez is such a nicer, friendlier person than Nancy, isn't she ?

She can actually make it through the entire show without calling a defense lawyer an idiot a single time.

lol She asks questions, lets them answer and leaves out the drama. jmo

 

[krig101]

My heart breaks for her parents.

I can't imagine their pain

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[concernedmother]

BH might not be guilty of Crystals disappearance but he should be arrested for being an to these parents for not letting them see that baby. jmo

 

[steelman]

This entire case is starting to give me Drew Peterson flashbacks. There are a lot of similarities between the two cases, especially in regards to the personality of the men involved. Drew Peterson actually did commit the perfect crime, but it came back to bite him after he decided to kill again. His second wife is still missing. This is starting to feel as though Houck decided to pattern himself after Peterson. He's smug, slick, chatty, arrogant and declares his innocence every chance he gets. I guess you can be that way if you feel as though you can make someone vanish well enough that they will never be found.

I was willing to give Houck the benefit of the doubt in the beginning, but the more details I hear, the more interviews he gives, and the more the timeline has gaping holes in it where no one was around but him and Crystal, the more reasonable it seems that he had a hand in this. Peterson wasn't arrested when his second wife went missing, he just claimed she ran off with another dude, and that was that. It almost worked.