KY KY - Crystal Rogers, 35, Bluegrass Parkway, 3 July 2015 #1

[Kapua]

What if ...she had a flat tire and called him to pick her up because she knew he was home and he picked her up, drove her back to the farm, did the deed, and then brought her belongings back to the car in the dead of night and staged them to make it look like an abduction. He could then have driven back in his own vehicle.

 

[Cardinal47]

So last night and tonight they featured this story on NG and said nothing new. That's kind of strange because they usually move right along to the next case.

So I am wondering if this one is bigger than we think and more is coming.

Some of these fellows think they are really slick when their wives suddenly go 'missing'.

Lets see. Drews locked up, Scotts locked up and Josh Powell is dead. As Dr. Phil would ask "How's that working out for you?"

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

When's the last time you walked 12 miles ? How about 12 miles in the darkness ? How many people would have seen you while you were doing it ?

Funny you should say that. I left out my own anecdotal experience of walking 10+ miles on rural KY highways because I thought it might be too boring or personal. But since you asked...

A friend and I did this very thing, in KY no less (though farther north than Bardstown; we were in a rural part of Campbell County, south of Alexandria). We were of merely average fitness level; I had already started having health issues, and neither of us had lots of endurance. And we did it in 2.5 to 3 hours, TTBOMM. We were tired by the end, sure, but by no means destroyed. Our pace varied from moderate to brisk. We never jogged or ran, either. Just walked.

Dark? No, it wasn't dark that time I was out walking; but from other times of walking, I'm not sure how much that matters on a paved road. The road is the road, it's clear and blank, visible even in the dark; it's smooth, not rocky; you follow it, that's that, what else?

There aren't grizzly bears or any deadly wildlife round here. It's not even like other parts of the US in that you'll go lots of miles between houses or towns. You couldn't even die of thirst between one rural KY town and another. You'd find a farmhouse first... in most parts of KY, anyway, and certainly on a road like the Bluegrass Parkway.

To address another question: How many people saw us walking? Damn few, actually, as I recall. And this was on a Sunday, in the daytime, in a place where country folks still go for a Sunday drive as a special treat.

How many people might have seen whoever drove Crystal's car on a Friday night (or whenever), including her? No idea. I'll leave that question to the truly local folks who know traffic patterns. But I believe someone already answered your question, to this effect: it's quite possible no one would have seen her car, or anyone walking away from it, at all.

No witnesses I know of have said they saw Houck walking, jogging, or running towards town, through town, or in his neighborhood the night this occurred. Nobody has come forward saying they picked him up hitchhiking alongside the road either.

I have no idea who left her car there, or when. My only protest is against the idea that the car was somehow left an unwalkable distance from anywhere.

In my common sense and personal experience, since you asked, no, I do not believe her car was so unwalkably far that it would necessitate an accomplice. Nor would hitchhiking need to play a role. Or a moped, or a bike, or anything. The distance from that car to any place of any significance was absolutely walkable.

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

There is a metro park near my house with an 8 mile walking/bike trail and I know people that walk it on a regular basis with no problem. I've done it, but yes it takes a while for me because I am so out of shape and need lots of breaks! When I was younger it was MUCH easier to do than now lol. But as Steelman says he would have to do it without being seen and at night it would be tough.

It would only be tough for a perp to avoid notice depending on where exactly he was, and how he acted while there. Maybe he just ducked into the trees or crouched down in the tall grass/weeds when he saw headlights coming? Unless I'm mistaken about the Bluegrass Parkway in that area, it would not have been very hard to escape notice for anyone on the roadside who wanted to go unseen.

And again the child has to fit in there somehow.

Well, not necessarily. If the BF was involved, or even if he wasn't, everything could have occurred while the child was sleeping at home. I really wonder what BH said about the child's location, attire, etc. when he awoke Saturday morning. Also wonder how many hours the child normally slept (since according to him it was up past midnight). Was the child still sleeping when he got up? If so, when did the child wake, exactly? It could be a possible indicator of what time the child went to sleep. Has anyone asked him this stuff?

Question: Why do people keep saying her boyfriend reported her missing? It's my understanding that her family reported her missing on Sunday (not sure if that was before or after the family found her car). Is that not a correct impression? I welcome all insight. This case is deeply troubling and I am concerned about the outcome.

 

[Hoosier952]

I think he could have easily walked the 12 miles, in the dark. He probably wouldn't have ever been seen. You can hear and see cars coming from a long distance at night when it's quiet. He could have easily hidden in a ditch or behind a tree if he heard a car coming. Or he could have just started walking through the woods, following the tree lines around fields. It would put him at a bit slower pace, but would have kept him better hidden. Not many people are out and about after midnight anyways. And with it being a holiday weekend, chances are anyone could have seen him in town and just assumed he was out partying like many others that night.

I also don't think it's weird to have a diaper bag in the car. My kids are all out of diapers now, but I still keep a bag with some extra clothes and toys in there in case something comes up. I'm guessing if Crystal was frequently dropping off children all over the place, she probably kept a diaper bag handy to leave with the little one if he was staying elsewhere.

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

Jean Casarez is such a nicer, friendlier person than Nancy, isn't she ?

She can actually make it through the entire show without calling a defense lawyer an idiot a single time.

Yes, it was an outright relief to see her on that show, lol. I was able to watch the whole thing for once.

 

[Cardinal47]

So the possibility exists that after BH went to bed Crystal could have put the little guy to bed and gone off and met up with the wrong person.

The car and the flat tire and the walking 12 miles with the baby home alone just doesn't seem like what happened.

Perhaps they were in all kinds of trouble with the relationship and perhaps her parents weren't aware of what was going on.

Adult children surely don't tell mom and dad what's going on in their lives. It's always a surprise. Perhaps they both had somebody else and it wasn't unusual for either of them to be gone two or three nights or days.

The sister said on NG they had trust issues with each other.

BH has not been named a person of interest and he has no attorney advising him. He took a poly right away. Yes he won't let 200 volunteers search his mothers property, farm but he will allow LE. He has opened his home and vehicles without a search warrant to LE. Makes sense to me.

The more I follow along the more I think we need to explore other possibilities of what could have happened that Friday night.

 

[karenky]

I think that some may be confused as to the size of the Bluegrass Parkway. It is no rural road. The size compares to an interstate. I am local and I travel this road quite a bit. It is illegal to walk along the roadside and in most places there would be no place to duck. It would not be a smart thing to do if one was trying to hide.

 

[Cardinal47]

Video of the Bluegrass Parkway. [video=youtube;m3a1cfu-JBU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3a1cfu-JBU[/video]

 

[karenky]

So the possibility exists that after BH went to bed Crystal could have put the little guy to bed and gone off and met up with the wrong person.

The car and the flat tire and the walking 12 miles with the baby home alone just doesn't seem like what happened.

Perhaps they were in all kinds of trouble with the relationship and perhaps her parents weren't aware of what was going on.

Adult children surely don't tell mom and dad what's going on in their lives. It's always a surprise. Perhaps they both had somebody else and it wasn't unusual for either of them to be gone two or three nights or days.

The sister said on NG they had trust issues with each other.

BH has not been named a person of interest and he has no attorney advising him. He took a poly right away. Yes he won't let 200 volunteers search his mothers property, farm but he will allow LE. He has opened his home and vehicles without a search warrant to LE. Makes sense to me.

The more I follow along the more I think we need to explore other possibilities of what could have happened that Friday night.

They did have to get a search warrant to search the family farm.

http://www.wlky.com/news/officials-issue-search-warrant-for-farm-of-crystal-rogers-boyfriend/34104362

 

[Cardinal47]

I donno but watching the video I posted makes me think this is a road for somebody going someplace. Not a road one leaves a car on to look like an abduction.

 

[Cardinal47]

They did have to get a search warrant to search the family farm.

http://www.wlky.com/news/officials-issue-search-warrant-for-farm-of-crystal-rogers-boyfriend/34104362

Yes I am aware of that but tonight on NG her father was asked if he was allowed to search on the farm and he said 'no only LE' which made me think they are free to come and go as needed.

 

[jULIA_bEE]

Funny you should say that. I left out my own anecdotal experience of walking 10+ miles on rural KY highways because I thought it might be too boring or personal. But since you asked...

A friend and I did this very thing, in KY no less (though farther north than Bardstown; we were in a rural part of Campbell County, south of Alexandria). We were of merely average fitness level; I had already started having health issues, and neither of us had lots of endurance. And we did it in 2.5 to 3 hours, TTBOMM. We were tired by the end, sure, but by no means destroyed. Our pace varied from moderate to brisk. We never jogged or ran, either. Just walked.

Dark? No, it wasn't dark that time I was out walking; but from other times of walking, I'm not sure how much that matters on a paved road. The road is the road, it's clear and blank, visible even in the dark; it's smooth, not rocky; you follow it, that's that, what else?

There aren't grizzly bears or any deadly wildlife round here. It's not even like other parts of the US in that you'll go lots of miles between houses or towns. You couldn't even die of thirst between one rural KY town and another. You'd find a farmhouse first... in most parts of KY, anyway, and certainly on a road like the Bluegrass Parkway.

To address another question: How many people saw us walking? Damn few, actually, as I recall. And this was on a Sunday, in the daytime, in a place where country folks still go for a Sunday drive as a special treat.

How many people might have seen whoever drove Crystal's car on a Friday night (or whenever), including her? No idea. I'll leave that question to the truly local folks who know traffic patterns. But I believe someone already answered your question, to this effect: it's quite possible no one would have seen her car, or anyone walking away from it, at all.


I have no idea who left her car there, or when. My only protest is against the idea that the car was somehow left an unwalkable distance from anywhere.

In my common sense and personal experience, since you asked, no, I do not believe her car was so unwalkably far that it would necessitate an accomplice. Nor would hitchhiking need to play a role. Or a moped, or a bike, or anything. The distance from that car to any place of any significance was absolutely walkable.

I don't think it would really be that difficult to go unseen at night walking along the parkway. The Offc. Ellis case kind of proves that. It's pretty flat for the most part so you can see cars, especially headlights from pretty far away. It'd be a little more risky on a holiday weekend just because there is a larger presence from KSP but they're usually parked in the medians or under the over passes. It's not a heavily travelled highway. I didn't even know it existed until a couple years ago. Especially late at night, it's pretty desolate and pretty dark. I hate driving on it.



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[jULIA_bEE]

Question: Why do people keep saying her boyfriend reported her missing? It's my understanding that her family reported her missing on Sunday (not sure if that was before or after the family found her car). Is that not a correct impression? I welcome all insight. This case is deeply troubling and I am concerned about the outcome.

You're correct. According to the articles, her mom suggested calling the cops on Sunday and BH said something a long the lines of "maybe you should..." They found the car after the call. I was driving back from my parents lake house around 730 Sunday evening and there were quite a few cop cars behind it walking up and down the parkway.


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[Inthedetails]

Yes I am aware of that but tonight on NG her father was asked if he was allowed to search on the farm and he said 'no only LE' which made me think they are free to come and go as needed.

I think he left off part of that thought....I think he meant, "LE is free to come and go as needed with a warrant that gives me no choice."

JMO.

 

[karenky]

Brother of missing Kentucky mom speaks out
Mystery and suspicion surrounds disapperance of Crystal Rogers, who was last seen July 3

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/index.html#/v/4354955210001

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

I think that some may be confused as to the size of the Bluegrass Parkway. It is no rural road. The size compares to an interstate. I am local and I travel this road quite a bit. It is illegal to walk along the roadside and in most places there would be no place to duck. It would not be a smart thing to do if one was trying to hide.

I understand, karenky. I've been on it before, but not that particular section. It looks like I expected it would though.

Also, it might be that people mean different things with the terms they use. There are many highways in KY and southern OH that I would still call "rural" if describing them to other people generally, even if the road has 2 lanes on each side with a divider between. It's not the size of the highway so much as the environs through which it travels. JuliaBee describing it as dark and desolate by night matches the impression I had.

I do have the feeling that whatever happened, the car was probably not intended to break down there, so whether it was a smart choice for hiding or not might be moot.

 

[jULIA_bEE]

Brother of missing Kentucky mom speaks out
Mystery and suspicion surrounds disapperance of Crystal Rogers, who was last seen July 3

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/index.html#/v/4354955210001

Those are some pretty serious allegations her brother made. Especially when you couple of with what her mom said about Crystal telling her if anything ever happens to her it would probably be because of BH. Her dad broke my heart. I hate to see people in so much pain.


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[krig101]

Brother of missing Kentucky mom speaks out
Mystery and suspicion surrounds disapperance of Crystal Rogers, who was last seen July 3

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/index.html#/v/4354955210001

Wow. If all of that is true about how he treated the kids........Speechless.
More and more keeps coming out to confirm my suspicions.

When on TV Crystal's poor family can hardly get any words out without crying and BH was all nonchalant talking about himself!

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[steelman]

DMacky

Thanks for finding that and posting that. I have a much better idea now who the accomplice may be.........you know, the accomplice that picked him up on the side of the road when the tire went flat. Blood is thicker than water. What better ally could you have that's both an insider and someone that knows how to cover up evidence in order to impede an investigation ?

If the Kentucky State Police haven't taken over this case yet, they need to, post haste. The "good old boy" network may be at play here, just like a few of the locals stated early on.