Identified! KY - Eddyville, Lake Barkley, WhtMale 35-50, UP75, wrapped in tire chains anchored by hydraulic jack, May’99 - Roger Dale Parham (Wanted by FBI)

  • #261
I am circling back to our UP being a trucker working in the region around Lake Barkley. If he was a driver for a troubled company, perhaps he wasn’t being paid. If that was the case, the company owners could have a role in this. The motive could be avoiding reports of labor violations, lawsuits, insurance issues, and FMCSA violations.

To investigate further, defunct or bankrupt entities with the Blue Star name may be key.
 
  • #262
The reconstruction on just the one pic looks remarkably like missing Earl Joggerst. Who I think, and so does his aunt, is the boy on the pic found in Henley's things; he was a helper of serial killer Corll.

Strange.
 
  • #263
I am a local Kentuckian. I do live in Western KY but I have only been to the Land Between the Lakes (LBL) area a handful of times. This case really interests me because I believe Macs murder has something to do with missing person Sonya Bradley who disappeared October 11th 2002. Her boyfriend at the time is a person of interest and he has a lengthy rap sheet, with violent offenses. I also want to look at the avenue of drugs playing a crucial role, during the 90s lots of meth was being dealt in this part of KY.
 
  • #264
I am a local Kentuckian. I do live in Western KY but I have only been to the Land Between the Lakes (LBL) area a handful of times. This case really interests me because I believe Macs murder has something to do with missing person Sonya Bradley who disappeared October 11th 2002. Her boyfriend at the time is a person of interest and he has a lengthy rap sheet, with violent offenses. I also want to look at the avenue of drugs playing a crucial role, during the 90s lots of meth was being dealt in this part of KY.
Welcome to Websleuths @Nosyrosy90!
 
  • #265
@Nosyrosy90 it doesn't look like Sonya Bradley has a thread here on Websleuths. We should fix that. I googled her and there is a lot of information out there and she is mentioned a couple of times in other WS threads.
 
  • #266
I am a local Kentuckian. I do live in Western KY but I have only been to the Land Between the Lakes (LBL) area a handful of times. This case really interests me because I believe Macs murder has something to do with missing person Sonya Bradley who disappeared October 11th 2002. Her boyfriend at the time is a person of interest and he has a lengthy rap sheet, with violent offenses. I also want to look at the avenue of drugs playing a crucial role, during the 90s lots of meth was being dealt in this part of KY.

Did Bradley or her POI boyfriend have ties to the Lake Barkley area? Were they living close to the area where Mac was found? Did the boyfriend spend time on Lake Barkley?
 
  • #267
Did Bradley or her POI boyfriend have ties to the Lake Barkley area? Were they living close to the area where Mac was found? Did the boyfriend spend time on Lake Barkley?
Sonya is from same county and city listed as where body was found. I had heard rumors her boyfriend killed her because she knew something that she should not have known...
 
  • #268
  • #269
Geez! I’ve gotten so far behind on this thread. :oops:

I pretty much ruled out Harold based on his gray hair. He was very predominantly gray headed whereas MAC wasn’t. I’m sure curious what happened to Harold though.

I’ll have to read up on Sonya Bradley when I get the time. Hadn’t thought much about this being anything other than an isolated incident really.

There’s not too much to go on with David’s disappearance. His photos aren’t the best for comparison, but I see a resemblance. I think he looks more like the clay bust than the newer recon. This was an interesting note on his NamUs profile: Transportation Notes - Has used Greyhound bus lines in the past. It’s not Blue Star, but still.
 
  • #270
You’re right! It does say “Made in China”! I agree, it’s a fastener, and uncommon...I can’t find anything remotely similar!

Whew! So, we’ve been looking at it upside down lol

I believe I’ve discovered the origin of the button. It is, as I originally suspected, a fastener for a pair of jeans. The jeans were from a chain of stores once called Brass Buckle, now known as the Buckle. The symbol on the button is “bb” in small letters, and appears identical to an old trademark shown on their website.

The company is a medium size chain, specializing in denim wear, and has stores mainly in the Midwest, although they do have stores in western Kentucky. I hadn’t heard of the store before, because they were not located in areas I’ve lived in... It is not an expensive store, and is found in a number of malls. Today, their jeans have a leather patch on the back that says BKE; jeans that are older would have the “bb.”

I noticed a photo in a magazine of someone wearing some nice jeans with the BKE patch, and I looked them up on the internet to find out where to buy them. ... When I read about the company history, I realized where the trademark came from. They started out in Nebraska.

I am not sure identifying the clothing chain gets us any closer to identifying Mac, though..
 
  • #271
Crossposted in the Project Kentucky thread, but I figured I should post here as well. I'm planning on paying Detective Silfies and Detective Dick a visit this week. Anyone have any specific questions you'd like to see addressed? I'm already going to be checking on the lack of autopsy/crime scene photos, the official coroner's report(s), the toxicology report, and a few time/date/informational inconsistencies. Anything I missed?

I've recently picked up Mac's case to make a video on, and I'm doing as much ground-zero research as possible. I've come up with some pretty intriguing stuff already that I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere.
 
  • #272
Crossposted in the Project Kentucky thread, but I figured I should post here as well. I'm planning on paying Detective Silfies and Detective Dick a visit this week. Anyone have any specific questions you'd like to see addressed? I'm already going to be checking on the lack of autopsy/crime scene photos, the official coroner's report(s), the toxicology report, and a few time/date/informational inconsistencies. Anything I missed?

I've recently picked up Mac's case to make a video on, and I'm doing as much ground-zero research as possible. I've come up with some pretty intriguing stuff already that I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere.
This is wonderful of you to do! And very exciting for Mac! Thank you for taking an interest and going above and beyond.

We did quite a bit of discussing on this thread awhile back. If you have the time, I’d consider reading through it. You touched on a lot of the main points. I know some of the main questions stemmed from his personal effects or actual physical evidence; clothing, chains, etc. I think any additional information they’d be willing to share with you will be helpful.

Thank you again and please do share your video with us here once you’ve completed it! Good luck!
 
  • #273
Update: I might have hit a dead end with the Kentucky State Police. The original investigating officer, Detective Silfies, who worked the cold case unit passed away in 2017. I'll post when I hear back from Detective Dick or the coroner's office.
 
  • #274
Update as of 12/18/2020: There is something majorly fishy about this case- I mean, we already guessed that, but it's worse now. I have been trying for over a month to contact anyone related to the case, even tangentially. I've called the Kentucky State Police Records Custodian (and submitted an official written request for open records, which has been ignored), called the Kentucky State Police local post, the original, now-retired coroner, the current Lyon Co. coroner who now holds the autopsy/tox reports, the detective in charge of the case, etc. I've called them all repeatedly and left messages. Every single person has avoided me and ignored my contact attempts. I finally got in touch with the detective, but I was hung up on and he now refuses to accept my calls. I'm at my wits' end here. This is beyond suspicious.

The NamUs information doesn't add up and the more research I do, the more things don't make sense. There's no indication of whether or not the UID drowned. Even in advances stages of decomposition, that should be discernable. There's also no indication of whether or not he had any physical trauma. The height doesn't add up. Some places it's given as a range, some places it's listed as "6'3, measured". The clothes aren't the actual clothes that the decedent was found in. There was no update on the toxicology report. His hair is listed as "possibly" brown, but his race is listed as definitely caucasian, despite the reconstruction appearing distinctly indigenous/Native American (high cheekbones, jaw, nose shape). Isotope analysis only narrowed things down to the United States?

The decomposition rate and est. time of death/time of discovery doesn't match up for the environment and temperatures in the area. Like, it's physiologically impossible for him to be intact and also have been in the water for upward of 5 months during the spring The COLDEST temperature on record from the lake water 1998-99 was 47F at the deepest point (only 68'), which is not enough to drastically slow decomposition, that begins at <40F. Plus, a corpse wouldn't survive that long because the TVA lake is stocked with bottom feeder fish that would have sped the decomposition process.

Worth noting that May 5, 1999, the Cumberland was at flood stage due to record storms in the area. This could have potentially dislodged the body and carried it to the location it was found. Note: The entire Land Between the Lakes area is a manmade reservoir. They flooded Golden Pond, Old Kuttawa, and Old Eddyville to construct it in 1966, which means that there are still very intact cars, fences, buildings, etc. at the bottom of the lake-- plenty of things to snag tire chains on. You can actually still see the old streets and railroad from a plane in the winter. My guess is that the perp dropped the body off of the old Lake Barkley Bridge in Canton, KY (Part of KY I-80, and near I-24 and W. KY Parkway which is a main route for long-haul truckers). Weighed down with an 8-ton jack and tire chains, together probably about 90-150 lbs.- enough to hold down a fresh body, but not necessarily enough to hold down buoyant gases during decomp. Sat there decomposing for a week or two, but as the river entered flood stage from the spring storms, it was transported north (downstream current, I checked) about 8.75 miles to Morley Bay (which is misspelled as Motley on ViCAP), where he was found later.

During the bloat stage, bodies can swell to twice their size. I don't think they actually took this into consideration, which would be why he's described as such a tank. He might have been much smaller. He also definitely didn't work on a barge. My ex worked the barges and you are not allowed to work without appropriate footwear. Barges are slick and dangerous. Cheap, treadless sneakers are not safe.

On the bright side, I did get somewhere with the button (finally). The uploaded photo is upside down, when reversed it reads as some combination of "bbR", "bpR", "bbpr" or "bbqR" and "made in China". Not much, but it's a start. It also looks like the type of snap that comes on ski jackets, for the record. I'm not 100% sold on it being from the jeans.

All I'm saying is that this case smells funny to me. I'm not giving up, but I am getting ticked off with these people. They seem to be entirely uninterested in this case at best, hiding shoddy investigative work at worst. For all the detective knows, I could be calling in with a tip or possible ID, since I never specifically stated *what* about the case I needed. No response whatsoever. Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. If anyone is interested I can add photos of the button and my rendition of the design, as well as the screenshots of the actual location where he was found. All I want is for Mac to have his name back.
 
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  • #276
All I'm saying is that this case smells funny to me. I'm not giving up, but I am getting ticked off with these people. They seem to be entirely uninterested in this case at best, hiding shoddy investigative work at worst. For all the detective knows, I could be calling in with a tip or possible ID, since I never specifically stated *what* about the case I needed. No response whatsoever. Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. If anyone is interested I can add photos of the button and my rendition of the design, as well as the screenshots of the actual location where he was found. All I want is for Mac to have his name back.
ugh...can't say I'm surprised. It seems like a lot of these cold cases UIDs are documented, then flung to the side and ignored. I don't think it's even nefarious or suspicious, just sometimes LE is in over their heads with current cases and doesn't want to "waste" their time with cold cases. I've contacted a few law enforcement agencies about a possible ID, been met with confusion by a bored-sounding receptionist and a promise to pass on the info, but then no calls back and no changes/new rule-outs to the NamUs profile.
For potential identifications, I've had more luck with contacting the NamUs Regional Program Specialist and informing them. I believe if they think it's also a possiblity, they send it to LE and, if possible, get an official rule-out. I've gotten a few rule-outs added that way, but have also got answers like "it's possible but there are no dentals/DNA so we can't be sure".
 
  • #277
Update as of 12/18/2020: There is something majorly fishy about this case- I mean, we already guessed that, but it's worse now. I have been trying for over a month to contact anyone related to the case, even tangentially. I've called the Kentucky State Police Records Custodian (and submitted an official written request for open records, which has been ignored), called the Kentucky State Police local post, the original, now-retired coroner, the current Lyon Co. coroner who now holds the autopsy/tox reports, the detective in charge of the case, etc. I've called them all repeatedly and left messages. Every single person has avoided me and ignored my contact attempts. I finally got in touch with the detective, but I was hung up on and he now refuses to accept my calls. I'm at my wits' end here. This is beyond suspicious.

The NamUs information doesn't add up and the more research I do, the more things don't make sense. There's no indication of whether or not the UID drowned. Even in advances stages of decomposition, that should be discernable. There's also no indication of whether or not he had any physical trauma. The height doesn't add up. Some places it's given as a range, some places it's listed as "6'3, measured". The clothes aren't the actual clothes that the decedent was found in. There was no update on the toxicology report. His hair is listed as "possibly" brown, but his race is listed as definitely caucasian, despite the reconstruction appearing distinctly indigenous/Native American (high cheekbones, jaw, nose shape). Isotope analysis only narrowed things down to the United States?

The decomposition rate and est. time of death/time of discovery doesn't match up for the environment and temperatures in the area. Like, it's physiologically impossible for him to be intact and also have been in the water for upward of 5 months during the spring The COLDEST temperature on record from the lake water 1998-99 was 47F at the deepest point (only 68'), which is not enough to drastically slow decomposition, that begins at <40F. Plus, a corpse wouldn't survive that long because the TVA lake is stocked with bottom feeder fish that would have sped the decomposition process.

Worth noting that May 5, 1999, the Cumberland was at flood stage due to record storms in the area. This could have potentially dislodged the body and carried it to the location it was found. Note: The entire Land Between the Lakes area is a manmade reservoir. They flooded Golden Pond, Old Kuttawa, and Old Eddyville to construct it in 1966, which means that there are still very intact cars, fences, buildings, etc. at the bottom of the lake-- plenty of things to snag tire chains on. You can actually still see the old streets and railroad from a plane in the winter. My guess is that the perp dropped the body off of the old Lake Barkley Bridge in Canton, KY (Part of KY I-80, and near I-24 and W. KY Parkway which is a main route for long-haul truckers). Weighed down with an 8-ton jack and tire chains, together probably about 90-150 lbs.- enough to hold down a fresh body, but not necessarily enough to hold down buoyant gases during decomp. Sat there decomposing for a week or two, but as the river entered flood stage from the spring storms, it was transported north (downstream current, I checked) about 8.75 miles to Morley Bay (which is misspelled as Motley on ViCAP), where he was found later.

During the bloat stage, bodies can swell to twice their size. I don't think they actually took this into consideration, which would be why he's described as such a tank. He might have been much smaller. He also definitely didn't work on a barge. My ex worked the barges and you are not allowed to work without appropriate footwear. Barges are slick and dangerous. Cheap, treadless sneakers are not safe.

On the bright side, I did get somewhere with the button (finally). The uploaded photo is upside down, when reversed it reads as some combination of "bbR", "bpR", "bbpr" or "bbqR" and "made in China". Not much, but it's a start. It also looks like the type of snap that comes on ski jackets, for the record. I'm not 100% sold on it being from the jeans.

All I'm saying is that this case smells funny to me. I'm not giving up, but I am getting ticked off with these people. They seem to be entirely uninterested in this case at best, hiding shoddy investigative work at worst. For all the detective knows, I could be calling in with a tip or possible ID, since I never specifically stated *what* about the case I needed. No response whatsoever. Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. If anyone is interested I can add photos of the button and my rendition of the design, as well as the screenshots of the actual location where he was found. All I want is for Mac to have his name back.

If you take a look at my earlier post, I identified the button. It is in post #272 of this thread. The “Made in China” marking was also previously discussed in earlier threads.
 
  • #278
Update as of 12/18/2020: There is something majorly fishy about this case- I mean, we already guessed that, but it's worse now. I have been trying for over a month to contact anyone related to the case, even tangentially. I've called the Kentucky State Police Records Custodian (and submitted an official written request for open records, which has been ignored), called the Kentucky State Police local post, the original, now-retired coroner, the current Lyon Co. coroner who now holds the autopsy/tox reports, the detective in charge of the case, etc. I've called them all repeatedly and left messages. Every single person has avoided me and ignored my contact attempts. I finally got in touch with the detective, but I was hung up on and he now refuses to accept my calls. I'm at my wits' end here. This is beyond suspicious.

The NamUs information doesn't add up and the more research I do, the more things don't make sense. There's no indication of whether or not the UID drowned. Even in advances stages of decomposition, that should be discernable. There's also no indication of whether or not he had any physical trauma. The height doesn't add up. Some places it's given as a range, some places it's listed as "6'3, measured". The clothes aren't the actual clothes that the decedent was found in. There was no update on the toxicology report. His hair is listed as "possibly" brown, but his race is listed as definitely caucasian, despite the reconstruction appearing distinctly indigenous/Native American (high cheekbones, jaw, nose shape). Isotope analysis only narrowed things down to the United States?

The decomposition rate and est. time of death/time of discovery doesn't match up for the environment and temperatures in the area. Like, it's physiologically impossible for him to be intact and also have been in the water for upward of 5 months during the spring The COLDEST temperature on record from the lake water 1998-99 was 47F at the deepest point (only 68'), which is not enough to drastically slow decomposition, that begins at <40F. Plus, a corpse wouldn't survive that long because the TVA lake is stocked with bottom feeder fish that would have sped the decomposition process.

Worth noting that May 5, 1999, the Cumberland was at flood stage due to record storms in the area. This could have potentially dislodged the body and carried it to the location it was found. Note: The entire Land Between the Lakes area is a manmade reservoir. They flooded Golden Pond, Old Kuttawa, and Old Eddyville to construct it in 1966, which means that there are still very intact cars, fences, buildings, etc. at the bottom of the lake-- plenty of things to snag tire chains on. You can actually still see the old streets and railroad from a plane in the winter. My guess is that the perp dropped the body off of the old Lake Barkley Bridge in Canton, KY (Part of KY I-80, and near I-24 and W. KY Parkway which is a main route for long-haul truckers). Weighed down with an 8-ton jack and tire chains, together probably about 90-150 lbs.- enough to hold down a fresh body, but not necessarily enough to hold down buoyant gases during decomp. Sat there decomposing for a week or two, but as the river entered flood stage from the spring storms, it was transported north (downstream current, I checked) about 8.75 miles to Morley Bay (which is misspelled as Motley on ViCAP), where he was found later.

During the bloat stage, bodies can swell to twice their size. I don't think they actually took this into consideration, which would be why he's described as such a tank. He might have been much smaller. He also definitely didn't work on a barge. My ex worked the barges and you are not allowed to work without appropriate footwear. Barges are slick and dangerous. Cheap, treadless sneakers are not safe.

On the bright side, I did get somewhere with the button (finally). The uploaded photo is upside down, when reversed it reads as some combination of "bbR", "bpR", "bbpr" or "bbqR" and "made in China". Not much, but it's a start. It also looks like the type of snap that comes on ski jackets, for the record. I'm not 100% sold on it being from the jeans.

All I'm saying is that this case smells funny to me. I'm not giving up, but I am getting ticked off with these people. They seem to be entirely uninterested in this case at best, hiding shoddy investigative work at worst. For all the detective knows, I could be calling in with a tip or possible ID, since I never specifically stated *what* about the case I needed. No response whatsoever. Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. If anyone is interested I can add photos of the button and my rendition of the design, as well as the screenshots of the actual location where he was found. All I want is for Mac to have his name back.
This is discouraging, but don’t give up! Your efforts are much appreciated.

Have you tried contacting the FBI ViCAP’s contacts? I don’t think I’ve personally ever went that route, but it might be worth a shot. And like Bombardier mentioned, sometimes I have better luck with NamUs or Doe Network. It really depends on the agency. I’ve had some amazing agencies who were receptive and appreciate of any info I gave them. Others...well...for whatever reasons just weren’t as interested.

ViCAP | Federal Bureau of Investigation
 
  • #279
Update as of 12/18/2020: There is something majorly fishy about this case- I mean, we already guessed that, but it's worse now. I have been trying for over a month to contact anyone related to the case, even tangentially. I've called the Kentucky State Police Records Custodian (and submitted an official written request for open records, which has been ignored), called the Kentucky State Police local post, the original, now-retired coroner, the current Lyon Co. coroner who now holds the autopsy/tox reports, the detective in charge of the case, etc. I've called them all repeatedly and left messages. Every single person has avoided me and ignored my contact attempts. I finally got in touch with the detective, but I was hung up on and he now refuses to accept my calls. I'm at my wits' end here. This is beyond suspicious.

The NamUs information doesn't add up and the more research I do, the more things don't make sense. There's no indication of whether or not the UID drowned. Even in advances stages of decomposition, that should be discernable. There's also no indication of whether or not he had any physical trauma. The height doesn't add up. Some places it's given as a range, some places it's listed as "6'3, measured". The clothes aren't the actual clothes that the decedent was found in. There was no update on the toxicology report. His hair is listed as "possibly" brown, but his race is listed as definitely caucasian, despite the reconstruction appearing distinctly indigenous/Native American (high cheekbones, jaw, nose shape). Isotope analysis only narrowed things down to the United States?

The decomposition rate and est. time of death/time of discovery doesn't match up for the environment and temperatures in the area. Like, it's physiologically impossible for him to be intact and also have been in the water for upward of 5 months during the spring The COLDEST temperature on record from the lake water 1998-99 was 47F at the deepest point (only 68'), which is not enough to drastically slow decomposition, that begins at <40F. Plus, a corpse wouldn't survive that long because the TVA lake is stocked with bottom feeder fish that would have sped the decomposition process.

Worth noting that May 5, 1999, the Cumberland was at flood stage due to record storms in the area. This could have potentially dislodged the body and carried it to the location it was found. Note: The entire Land Between the Lakes area is a manmade reservoir. They flooded Golden Pond, Old Kuttawa, and Old Eddyville to construct it in 1966, which means that there are still very intact cars, fences, buildings, etc. at the bottom of the lake-- plenty of things to snag tire chains on. You can actually still see the old streets and railroad from a plane in the winter. My guess is that the perp dropped the body off of the old Lake Barkley Bridge in Canton, KY (Part of KY I-80, and near I-24 and W. KY Parkway which is a main route for long-haul truckers). Weighed down with an 8-ton jack and tire chains, together probably about 90-150 lbs.- enough to hold down a fresh body, but not necessarily enough to hold down buoyant gases during decomp. Sat there decomposing for a week or two, but as the river entered flood stage from the spring storms, it was transported north (downstream current, I checked) about 8.75 miles to Morley Bay (which is misspelled as Motley on ViCAP), where he was found later.

During the bloat stage, bodies can swell to twice their size. I don't think they actually took this into consideration, which would be why he's described as such a tank. He might have been much smaller. He also definitely didn't work on a barge. My ex worked the barges and you are not allowed to work without appropriate footwear. Barges are slick and dangerous. Cheap, treadless sneakers are not safe.

On the bright side, I did get somewhere with the button (finally). The uploaded photo is upside down, when reversed it reads as some combination of "bbR", "bpR", "bbpr" or "bbqR" and "made in China". Not much, but it's a start. It also looks like the type of snap that comes on ski jackets, for the record. I'm not 100% sold on it being from the jeans.

All I'm saying is that this case smells funny to me. I'm not giving up, but I am getting ticked off with these people. They seem to be entirely uninterested in this case at best, hiding shoddy investigative work at worst. For all the detective knows, I could be calling in with a tip or possible ID, since I never specifically stated *what* about the case I needed. No response whatsoever. Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. If anyone is interested I can add photos of the button and my rendition of the design, as well as the screenshots of the actual location where he was found. All I want is for Mac to have his name back.


Thank you soo much for all this! Keep in mind that many people are working from home due to the pandemic and some files and info are physical form and in the buildings, some places do not have certain cold cases files in their computers and some people don’t wanna waste their time on cold cases when the rate of crimes has spiked since the pandemic. I personally would never consider a cold case or uid a waste and I’d be beyond irate if I was in a family members shoes waiting to know what happened to a loved one. I have been told “we can’t afford to waste our time right now on a dead end cold case when we have higher priorities right now.” When trying to get info and details of a local missing person from the 90s. My opinion is if you don’t wanna do the job let someone else who actually will do it. These cold cases need fresh eyes and determination. Please keep trying for Mac! We’ve all been scratching our brains here to give him his name back and hopefully some loved ones will get answers and closure.
 
  • #280
MAC! My old buddy. I’ve not forgotten about you!
 

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