KY KY - Frances Byrd 72, ckd out of nursing fac by dau agnst med advise, dau says left her house & pu by white car, Cedar Run, 11 Jun 2024 *Golden Alert*

[cenazoic]

So much forest around that area.

And “hills and hollers”, looks like.

 

[Taffy550]

Nothing? Just bumping for this little lady.

 

[KentuckyMama]

I check every day as well. I'm not finding anything.

 

[SweetDreamsAreMadeOfCheez]

72-year-old still missing

CARTER CITY A detective with Carter County Sheriff’s Department confirmed a 72-year-old woman is still missing — marking more than two months since she reportedly disappeared from a Carter County residence earlier this summer. The sheriff’s department issued a release via social media on June 14...

www.yahoo.com

From this article I don't get the feeling they have been doing much to find her except looking for the white car. No info on why the daughter took her out of the facility in the first place. Why would she take her out? Was it suppose to be for a day out or a complete sign out? Why didn't the daughter report her missing? Are the brother and sister at odds over their Mom's care? The white car seems like a red herring to me. Is the Mom in a different medical facility? I would think if the daughter signed her out and killed her we would know that by now. I may be assuming that, but this case has so many unanswered questions. Some I feel should be answered by now.
JMO

 

[dalsglen]

Need to remember that when it's quiet and we feel frustrated, there is often a LOT going on behind the scenes. There will be resolution here.

 

[GraceG]

I'm wondering who was paying for her care. I know with my Dad's assisted living care, it wasn't covered by Medicaid as his retirement was slightly too high, and he wasn't considered "bedridden" so I paid for it ($6000 a month for 3 years - he died at age 101). I happily did so as he loved it there, but it was a burden at times from a budget standpoint which is why I'm still working full time at almost 67. Perhaps the daughter was worried about finances and checked her out with good intentions and just let the situation get out of hand.

 

[Judy Sleuth]

Just popping in to check on any developments in the past month. A quick Google search this morning doesn't show any news more recent than this summer, nor does the Carter County Sheriff's Facebook page (just a 1-day-old comment expressing puzzlement over how she could have gone missing).

 

[thelesis]

I have a gut feeling LE has an alert on Frances' SSI checks and who has access to them and that'll be the break in the case.

 

[KentuckyMama]

I have a gut feeling LE has an alert on Frances' SSI checks and who has access to them and that'll be the break in the case.

Those are made by direct deposit into a bank account. She would probably have a family member as an alternative on her account. To pay bills and make purchases for her. This is what my Mom did with my sister. Makes things much simpler when one person is less than mobile or is in long term care.

Then again, if she was in a long term care facility, there is likely no SS or SSI going anywhere except directly to the facility housing her. They will accept the Medicare or Medicaid as insurance and the total check to cover the rest.

 

[thelesis]

Those are made by direct deposit into a bank account. She would probably have a family member as an alternative on her account. To pay bills and make purchases for her. This is what my Mom did with my sister. Makes things much simpler when one person is less than mobile or is in long term care.

Anecdotal, but I've read online posts from medical staff that lament families who keep elderly loved ones in long-term care homes or hospitals to keep the SSI checks coming in. Lots of elderly people getting their ribs broken having chest compressions done when, if they were able to voice their wishes, would like to be DNR. A variation of Daughter from California Syndrome.

 

[mlhenn]

Bumping.
I was unable to find an update.

 

[Judy Sleuth]

Bumping.
I was unable to find an update.

I'm glad you checked. I've been concerned - and sad - about this poor lady since the case first appeared. Given her health conditions, it doesn't seem reasonable to believe she just got into someone's (unknown) car and rode off happily into the sunset, and that no one need be worried about lack of contact...

 

[NervousNellie]

Anecdotal, but I've read online posts from medical staff that lament families who keep elderly loved ones in long-term care homes or hospitals to keep the SSI checks coming in. Lots of elderly people getting their ribs broken having chest compressions done when, if they were able to voice their wishes, would like to be DNR. A variation of Daughter from California Syndrome.

Anecdotal also, but I promise you that the monthly fees at a long-term care home or hospital cost more than a social security check. Do I think someone had something to gain by this woman's death? Yes, but they were not keeping her social security check. I don't understand how the daughter hasn't been brought up on charges.

 

[GraceG]

Anecdotal also, but I promise you that the monthly fees at a long-term care home or hospital cost more than a social security check. Do I think someone had something to gain by this woman's death? Yes, but they were not keeping her social security check. I don't understand how the daughter hasn't been brought up on charges.

Good point indeed. Long term care, if not covered by medicare, FAR exceeds a SS check. My Dad went into assisted living after years of having a full time home health aide (his choice, he dind't want to live with us in Chicago.) was $6000+ a month amd medicare didn't cover it as he wasn't bedridden, he just could be left on his own for his own safety. He lived to be 102, spry with just minor dementia, but the cost out of pocket was in the six figures after his modest house sold. I happily paid it, he was safe and happy, but not every one can, and some just don't WANT to. BUT, given her health issues which seemed serious, I don't see why in her case medicare wouldn't cover her expenses.

 

[tlcya]

Good point indeed. Long term care, if not covered by medicare, FAR exceeds a SS check. My Dad went into assisted living after years of having a full time home health aide (his choice, he dind't want to live with us in Chicago.) was $6000+ a month amd medicare didn't cover it as he wasn't bedridden, he just could be left on his own for his own safety. He lived to be 102, spry with just minor dementia, but the cost out of pocket was in the six figures after his modest house sold. I happily paid it, he was safe and happy, but not every one can, and some just don't WANT to. BUT, given her health issues which seemed serious, I don't see why in her case medicare wouldn't cover her expenses.

In IL even if the long term care resident has been approved for LTC Medicaid to cover costs of care the social security and all other monthly income must be paid to the facility and then Medicaid kicks in to cover the remainder of the month's fees.

Generally you are correct, SS doesn't come close to covering those costs, but resident families are supposed to be turning the income over to the facility. So IMO, it is possible the daughter removed her mother from the facility so as to not have to pay that SS income to them. That would only work if that daughter was financial POA for her mother and was receiving and able to cash the SS checks in that capacity or was a joint checking owner to the account those funds were deposited to. I haven't seen it reported anywhere if she was/is her mother's POA for either finance or HC decisions. However, the fact the daughter was allowed to check her mother out strongly suggests she at least had POA for healthcare authority to do so. JMO

Also Medicare doesn't cover the costs of LTC in a nursing home. They will cover a temporary stay in a facility after a hospitalization for a period of no more than 100 days for the purposes of rehabilitation after that hospitalization.

This line of thought now has me questioning, if a senior disappears but has not been located or declared deceased, do their SS checks/deposits continue to come? For how long?