KY - Rowan County clerk Kim Davis Jailed for Contempt, 2015

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  • #321
While Kim Davis thanks her god and her supporters, she seems to forget that the Constitution of the United States protects her from the punishment she would have suffered under the tyranny of a Dominionist government.

How many times has she been divorced? Wasn't she reputedly pregnant with another man's child while still married to someone else? According to Old Testament Biblical Law, she should be stoned to death in the town square.

Yet, she wants to condemn those who she believes are sinning against her god.

Does she not realize that, according to the Old Testament, she would be considered a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 and an adulterer by the Pharisees and the Sadducees?

The blatant hypocrisy of this woman and her self-righteous supporters disgusts me. They demand clemency while hatefully denying compassion to others.

Kim Davis's actions are the exact opposite of what the Gospels teach: Love.
 
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  • #323
Ugh, I am so sick of this woman and her followers. A bunch of brainless bigots. Also, really? Four different men proposed to this woman at one time or another, lol?
 
  • #324
cluciano63 said:
Ugh, I am so sick of this woman and her followers. A bunch of brainless bigots. Also, really? Four different men proposed to this woman at one time or another, lol?
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BBM. Yes, she's a REALLY good catch! She's had a VERY secure and fairly lucrative job in the clerk's office for the past 28 years or so (working for mama for 27 years first), considering her lack of post secondary education. A job with benefits, and perks, too! Lots of men value that in their prospective wives.

Nepotism is a family value in KY! And it's even legal there!

She's had her 15 minutes. I'll be glad when she's gone from the news. There is nothing admirable, IMO, about her failing to do her job, and contempt of court. She's a deplorable role model, IMO, and I'm disgusted that politicians are using her the way they are.

What if she believed polygamy was commanded by her god? What if she believed arranged marriages with child brides were something her god wanted her to promote? Would people stand up and celebrate that? Would they?
 
  • #325
K_Z said:
She's a deplorable role model, IMO, and I'm disgusted that politicians are using her the way they are.
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rsbm

Well, only <modsnip> like Huckabee, who was also a hearty defender of the Duggars.
 
  • #326
cluciano63 said:
Ugh, I am so sick of this woman and her followers. A bunch of brainless bigots. Also, really? Four different men proposed to this woman at one time or another, lol?
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I'm having trouble linking but, yes, there's all kinds of dirty laundry with this woman. Just another hypocrite.
 
  • #327
Not too long ago, Huckabee was standing by & defending Josh Duggar, until it wasn't politically expedient to do so. Now he's defending Kim Davis. I wonder how long he'll consider that to be beneficial to his campaign?

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
 
  • #328
cluciano63 said:
Ugh, I am so sick of this woman and her followers. A bunch of brainless bigots. Also, really? Four different men proposed to this woman at one time or another, lol?
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It's actually worse than that. Three men total, but one of them married her twice!
 
  • #329
sorrell skye said:
While Kim Davis thanks her god and her supporters, she seems to forget that the Constitution of the United States protects her from the punishment she would have suffered under the tyranny of a Dominionist government.

How many times has she been divorced? Wasn't she reputedly pregnant with another man's child while still married to someone else? According to Old Testament Biblical Law, she should be stoned to death in the town square.

Yet, she wants to condemn those who she believes are sinning against her god.

Does she not realize that, according to the Old Testament, she would be considered a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 and an adulterer by the Pharisees and the Sadducees?

The blatant hypocrisy of this woman and her self-righteous supporters disgusts me. They demand clemency while hatefully denying compassion to others.

Kim Davis's actions are the exact opposite of what the Gospels teach: Love.
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So true. I wish bible studies taught critical thinking skills. I don't mean to bring Australia into it again, but I just think this is relevant to religious hypocrisy. Some ministers think Australia should prioritise Christian refugees from Syria, and yesterday one MP, George Christensen (who spoke at an anti-islam rally just btw) tweeted "Reports of Islamic State terrorists posing as refugees is more reason to prioritise Syrian Christians". And the part I love, that I think is relevant here, is the reply from another MP, Graeme Perret, "If you have a look at yourself in the mirror you'll realise how easy it is for people to pose as Christians." Snap :)
 
  • #330
Montjoy said:
rsbm

Well, only <modsnip> like Huckabee, who was also a hearty defender of the Duggars.
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Not only a defender of the Duggars, but also of Maurice Clemmons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Clemmons

SNIP: " Maurice Clemmons (February 6, 1972 &#8211; December 1, 2009) was an American who was responsible for the November 29, 2009, murder of four police officers in Parkland, Washington.[1] After evading police for two days following the shooting, Clemmons was shot and killed by a police officer in Seattle.

Prior to his involvement in the shooting, Clemmons had at least five felony convictions in Arkansas and at least eight felony charges in Washington.[2] His first incarceration began in 1989, at age 17. Facing sentences totaling 108 years in prison, the burglary sentences were reduced in 2000 by Governor of Arkansas Mike Huckabee to 47 years, which made him immediately eligible for parole. The Arkansas Parole Board unanimously moved to release him in 2000. Clemmons was subsequently arrested on other charges and was jailed several times. In the months prior to the Parkland shooting, he was in jail on charges of assaulting a police officer and raping a child. One week prior to the Parkland shooting, he was released from jail after posting a $150,000 bail bond.

Clemmons' murder of four police officers represents the largest number of law enforcement officers killed by one man in a single incident in U.S. history."

And from Salon http://www.salon.com/2009/12/01/mike_huckabee/

SNIP:" Huckabee has proudly declared on many occasions that he disdains the separation of church and state, insisting that his strict Baptist piety should serve as the bedrock of public policy. Nowhere in his record as governor was the influence of religious zeal felt more heavily than in the distribution of pardons and commutations, as his own explanations have indicated. During those years he granted more commutations and pardons than any governor during the previous four decades, many of them surely justified as a response to excessive penalties under the state&#8217;s draconian narcotics laws. But others were deeply controversial, especially because so many of his acts of mercy appeared to depend on interventions by fellow Baptist preachers and by inmate professions of renewed Christian faith.

No doubt word spread among the prison population that the affable governor was vulnerable to appeals from convicts who claimed to be born again. Clemmons too was among those who benefited from Huckabee&#8217;s tendency to believe such pious testimonials. &#8220;I come from a very good Christian family and I was raised much better than my actions speak,&#8221; he explained in his clemency application in 2000. &#8220;I&#8217;m still ashamed to this day for the shame my stupid involvement in these crimes brought upon my family&#8217;s name &#8230; I have never done anything good for God, but I&#8217;ve prayed for him to grant me in his compassion the grace to make a start. Now, I&#8217;m humbly appealing to you for a brand new start.&#8221;
 
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  • #333
ScarlettScarpetta said:
I don't believe she should have to sign them if she is against it in according to her faith, However her Faith has nothing to do with the job. I would not take a job that made me have an issue with my faith. She should quit and get a new job or ask to be moved to a new position.
It is fine not to agree with it. It is fine to not want to put your name on it but but but.. It is not fine to break the law and not fulfill the duties for which you were hired.

It is not my job to tell others how to live their lives. It is my job to live my life in according to my faith. Not to force that on others. It certainly does not make people want part of your faith if you are obnoxious with it and use it as a sword.
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BBM

Her "faith" is completely irrelevant to her elected position as County Clerk, which is a secular job. She can't be "moved" to a new position. She was elected - not hired.

She swore an oath of office, swearing that she will: faithfully execute the duties of my office without favor, affection or partiality.

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/statutes/statute.aspx?id=21176

By refusing to issue marriage licenses to those who have the legal right to marriage, she has not only broken her oath of office, she has violated the civil rights of those who have the legal right to marriage.

To claim on one hand that she shouldn't have to sign marriage licenses if doing so conflicts with her "faith" (which is an apparent defense of her actions) does not reconcile with the claim that her faith has nothing to do with her job. These two statements totally contradict one another.

You stated: "It is fine not to agree with it. It is fine to not want to put your name on it"

No - it's NOT fine. It's anything BUT fine. She violated federal law and she infringed upon the civil rights of those who have the legal right to marry.

Straddling a fence in civil rights issues does nothing to promote civil rights.

If interracial couples had been denied marriage licenses in her office, would anyone claim that it's "fine not to agree with it. It's fine to not want to put your name on it"?

I seriously doubt it.

So why is it allegedly "fine" to deny (based on so-called "faith") to deny a marriage license to a same-sex couple because it allegedly conflicts with a County Clerk's so-called "faith"?

Civil rights are not a grey area.
 
  • #334
Sulamith said:
Not only a defender of the Duggars, but also of Maurice Clemmons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Clemmons

SNIP: " Maurice Clemmons (February 6, 1972 – December 1, 2009) was an American who was responsible for the November 29, 2009, murder of four police officers in Parkland, Washington.[1] After evading police for two days following the shooting, Clemmons was shot and killed by a police officer in Seattle.

Prior to his involvement in the shooting, Clemmons had at least five felony convictions in Arkansas and at least eight felony charges in Washington.[2] His first incarceration began in 1989, at age 17. Facing sentences totaling 108 years in prison, the burglary sentences were reduced in 2000 by Governor of Arkansas Mike Huckabee to 47 years, which made him immediately eligible for parole. The Arkansas Parole Board unanimously moved to release him in 2000. Clemmons was subsequently arrested on other charges and was jailed several times. In the months prior to the Parkland shooting, he was in jail on charges of assaulting a police officer and raping a child. One week prior to the Parkland shooting, he was released from jail after posting a $150,000 bail bond.

Clemmons' murder of four police officers represents the largest number of law enforcement officers killed by one man in a single incident in U.S. history."

And from Salon http://www.salon.com/2009/12/01/mike_huckabee/

SNIP:" Huckabee has proudly declared on many occasions that he disdains the separation of church and state, insisting that his strict Baptist piety should serve as the bedrock of public policy. Nowhere in his record as governor was the influence of religious zeal felt more heavily than in the distribution of pardons and commutations, as his own explanations have indicated. During those years he granted more commutations and pardons than any governor during the previous four decades, many of them surely justified as a response to excessive penalties under the state’s draconian narcotics laws. But others were deeply controversial, especially because so many of his acts of mercy appeared to depend on interventions by fellow Baptist preachers and by inmate professions of renewed Christian faith.

No doubt word spread among the prison population that the affable governor was vulnerable to appeals from convicts who claimed to be born again. Clemmons too was among those who benefited from Huckabee’s tendency to believe such pious testimonials. “I come from a very good Christian family and I was raised much better than my actions speak,” he explained in his clemency application in 2000. “I’m still ashamed to this day for the shame my stupid involvement in these crimes brought upon my family’s name … I have never done anything good for God, but I’ve prayed for him to grant me in his compassion the grace to make a start. Now, I’m humbly appealing to you for a brand new start.”
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Thanks in part to Huckabee, Clemmons destroyed the lives of 4 police officers and their families.

This dude's track record of endorsements leaves a lot to be desired.
 
  • #335
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OT...IMO Clemmons was mentally ill. I'm sure during the time he was in prison in Arkansas they have reports that will back that up. Our mental health system is a joke this is just one of the many examples. I think Huckabee was fine taking the chance on releasing him knowing he was going to Washington. I agree with all you said.
 
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  • #337
Most of the hate, vitriol, and judgmentalism seems to be coming from those who disagree with Ms. Davis. Ugly, ugly stuff.
 
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  • #339
sumzero said:
Most of the hate, vitriol, and judgmentalism seems to be coming from those who disagree with Ms. Davis. Ugly, ugly stuff.
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:thud:
 
  • #340
sumzero said:
Most of the hate, vitriol, and judgmentalism seems to be coming from those who disagree with Ms. Davis. Ugly, ugly stuff.
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Such a darn shame that someone would not treat another human being with respect regardless if you have a difference in opinion.

Why would such a religious person judge someone so much? Why would they not want them to be happy? Strange!!!
 
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