KY - Rowan County clerk Kim Davis Jailed for Contempt, 2015

[Woodland]

Kim Davis thinks she has a solution to her problem.

The Kentucky county clerk, jailed for failing to follow a judge’s orders to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, wants her name removed from the marriage certificates, her attorney Matthew Staver told ABC News.

“She has a very strong conscience and she’s just asking for a simple remedy, and that is, remove her name from the certificate and all will be well,” Staver said. “That simple remedy has simply been ignored by the court and by the governor and that’s what should have been done.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jailed-kentucky-clerk-kim-davis-offers-remedy-sex/story?id=33532686

Backpedaling imo. Can't find where she or her lawyer brought that 'solution' up yesterday in court.

Ms Davis was under the impression she could impose her thoughts/beliefs/personal preferences etc on others and tell people what they could and could not do (as far as marriages between any two people went) - now she will be told, while behind bars, what she can and cannot do. No favorite PJ's to wear at night, no favorite snacks to indulge in when she wishes, no favorite TV programs to watch when she pleases, no enjoyment of her home or favorite activities outside of her job.

Now might be a good time to ask Ms Davis to forgive me for judging her - she's a mixed bag of nuts imo.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Most working people cannot pick and choose what duties/responsibilities they will perform or not. They're hired to do a job, and if they don't do the job they were hired to do, they'll be shown the door. I'm glad the Judge put this arrogant woman behind bars. The folks in Rowan County, KY deserve better. :moo:

 

[lonetraveler]

It's a political thing - they lean neither to the left nor to the right.

Just kidding. IDK.

:laughing:That was rich!

 

[lonetraveler]

This situation totally explains why church and state are kept separate. It can become a very slippery slope when a religious conviction is allowed to dictate whether or not other American citizens can have their rights infringed upon. There was a time when people at the voting places denied the rights of women to vote although the 19th Amendment had been ratified simply because they interpreted the Bible as saying that women should not have these rights and that only men could vote. Some do not realize how difficult and how brave these women were who fought for our rights to vote. Anyway, no one especially an elected government official has the right to deny an American citizen their rights because of their own religious convictions. If they are allowed to do this, then other rights will be infringed upon as well.

She doesn't have to like that gay couples have the right to marriage license, she just needs to do the job she was elected and was sworn in to do. If you can't do the job then you should be fired or impeached. She needs to resign.

 

[Donjeta]

Her lawyers are speaking out of both sides of their mouth.

“She has a very strong conscience and she’s just asking for a simple remedy, and that is, remove her name from the certificate and all will be well,” Staver said. “That simple remedy has simply been ignored by the court and by the governor and that’s what should have been done.

vs

Kim Davis' lawyers also called into question whether any licenses issued in her absence would be legal.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-court-clerk-marriage-licenses-gays/71635794/

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...refuses-issue-marriage-license-gays/71505008/

Video of her denying a marriage licence to a couple.

 

[bluesneakers]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...refuses-issue-marriage-license-gays/71505008/

Video of her denying a marriage licence to a couple.

I think she's in over her head.

A big THANK YOU to the men who refused to leave.

 

[Inthedetails]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...refuses-issue-marriage-license-gays/71505008/

Video of her denying a marriage licence to a couple.

That was worth watching. At the end, she suggests the men to go to another county. "There is a remedy," she explains and tells them to go elsewhere.

So....one remedy is that she expects people legally requesting a license to go to another county to get one so she doesn't have to issue one. And another remedy she expects the job requirements to change so she doesn't have to sign the license.

Why does she expect these "remedies" but not the simple and respectable remedy of stepping down from a job she cannot, in faith, do.

 

[Donjeta]

So, prior to the Supreme Court ruling, has she been refusing to issue marriage licences to straight, divorced people? Divorced people remarrying is against the Bible too...

I think not... So why would her conscience not disallow straight sins?

Anyway, I never thought that the person issuing a marriage licence has to confirm that it's a good thing that these two people are getting married. Isn't the clerk just basically giving them a paper to prove that their personal details on the licence are correct and they don't appear to be currently married to somebody else, as far as she knows?

 

[Woodland]

There is another thing 'bugging' me about this righteous journey by Ms Davis - she has only been on this righteous journey for 4 years, according to her. Yet her son is on the same band wagon as far as no marriage license to anyone she deems unfit. So how old is he? If he is old enough to have a job as one of her deputies (another problem in itself imo) he wasn't raised by this righteous belief. Mr Davis, as far as I can tell, did not raise this particular son - so how did the influence for him become so strong?

That makes this mess about the cameras/newsprint imo.

 

[bluesneakers]

There is another thing 'bugging' me about this righteous journey by Ms Davis - she has only been on this righteous journey for 4 years, according to her. Yet her son is on the same band wagon as far as no marriage license to anyone she deems unfit. So how old is he? If he is old enough to have a job as one of her deputies (another problem in itself imo) he wasn't raised by this righteous belief. Mr Davis, as far as I can tell, did not raise this particular son - so how did the influence for him become so strong?

That makes this mess about the cameras/newsprint imo.

I just went through this with a friend. She got religion and when she did so did her kids. I thought it was weird because she'd been an atheist as long as I'd known her and her kids were raised as atheists. Then one day she gets saved (she's in her 40s) and two of her three children (in their 20s) follow along.

 

[Inthedetails]

There is another thing 'bugging' me about this righteous journey by Ms Davis - she has only been on this righteous journey for 4 years, according to her. Yet her son is on the same band wagon as far as no marriage license to anyone she deems unfit. So how old is he? If he is old enough to have a job as one of her deputies (another problem in itself imo) he wasn't raised by this righteous belief. Mr Davis, as far as I can tell, did not raise this particular son - so how did the influence for him become so strong?

That makes this mess about the cameras/newsprint imo.

Nothing more zealous than a recent convert. It's quite common. She needs to relax.
JMO

 

[Woodland]

I just went through this with a friend. She got religion and when she did so did her kids. I thought it was weird because she'd been an atheist as long as I'd known her and her kids were raised as atheists. Then one day she gets saved (she's in her 40s) and two of her three children (in their 20s) follow along.

This case makes atheism look like the safest place imo - so I'm thankful to Mr and Mrs Davis et al.

 

[Donjeta]

“Bunning cannot bully me, my wife or my son,” Joe Davis said on Friday of the judge, via Louisville television station WDRB. “I taught my son how to stand up for what’s right and what he believes in at any cost. Bunning doesn’t know how to pick on somebody that can handle him. The only thing he knows how to do is to pick up on the weak people.”

http://roygbiv.jezebel.com/kim-davis-husband-calls-judge-a-butt-says-kentucky-gov-1728724770

Of course, refusing to give people their lawful marriage licences isn't a form of bullying...

I would like to see the ruckus this guy would cause if he was refused a marriage licence because he's an idiot.

And now back to Mr. Davis, who on Friday morning held a sign outside the Rowan County Courthouse that read, “Welcome to Sodom and Gomorrah”:

“Tell Judge Bunning he’s a butt.”

Calling someone a butt isn't a form of bullying...?

 

[sorrell skye]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...refuses-issue-marriage-license-gays/71505008/

Video of her denying a marriage licence to a couple.

In the above-linked video, she was asked "Under whose authority are you not issuing marriage licenses today?"

Her response: "Under god's authority."

This chick is apparently under a delusion of grandeur that God has granted her powers beyond those of her elected office. No doubt she views herself as a 'martyr' for the 'cause'.

If she believes she's called by her higher power and wants to preach to a flock of sheeple, she can resign her political office and start a church somewhere.

 

[bwt42]

This is not addressed to anyone in particular. I always find it interesting when atheists tell Christians how to act. FWIW I'm neither.

 

[TorisMom003]

In the above-linked video, she was asked "Under whose authority are you not issuing marriage licenses today?"

Her response: "Under god's authority."

This chick is apparently under a delusion of grandeur that God has granted her powers beyond those of her elected office. No doubt she views herself as a 'martyr' for the 'cause'.

If she believes she's called by her higher power and wants to preach to a flock of sheeple, she can resign her political office and start a church somewhere.

She isn't the only one that considers her a "martyr" for the "cause". On Facebook today a friend of a friend posted a meme about her and it said she was standing up for Jesus. Problem is, IMO, Jesus isn't going to pay her bills or open the jail doors for her to walk out. She doesn't have a legal leg to stand on in this case.

MOO

 

[sorrell skye]

Another gay man (who had been denied a marriage license in this clerk's office) who stepped forward to the desk said: "You have another option. You can step down. If your beliefs mean that much to you - resign. But does $80,000 a year mean more to you than your beliefs?"

Kim Davis: "I'm willing to face my consequences and you all will face your consequences when it comes time for judgment..."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...refuses-issue-marriage-license-gays/71505008/

This is a perfect example of a why a Dominionistic government is a verrry baaaad idea.

Thank Goodness our Constitution prohibits such a government from being formed. Let us fervently strive keep it that way.

 

[TorisMom003]

This is not addressed to anyone in particular. I always find it interesting when atheists tell Christians how to act. FWIW I'm neither.

Where is an atheist telling a Christian how to act? This case has nothing to do with telling a Christian how to act when it comes to their personal choices with their religion and beliefs. This case has to do with a Christian telling others that they can not obtain a legal marriage license in "her" county because she doesn't approve of their choice in a life partner. If she wants to preach to "sinners" that they are wrong and doomed for hell, she can do so on her own time. However, she can not legally do so when it comes to her job.

MOO

 

[Donjeta]

http://media.graytvinc.com/images/Kim+Davis+Marriage+License.JPG

A picture of a Rowan county marriage licence.

The clerk has to certify that the DOB, parentage and previous marriages info is correct and that the wedding seems to be legal according to the laws of Kentucky. The clerk is not required to have to state any opinion about whether the people are fornicators and sinners or whether they will get to heaven or what God thinks about the advisability of the marriage.

JMO I can't remember any passage in the Bible where it says, "thou shalt not write the names of gay people's parents on a piece of papyrus and swear that the information is correct"