GUILTY KY - Sarah Jones for child sexual abuse, Edgewood, 2012

[Cappuccino]

I am not surprised by all this. The law is gender neutral, but a lot of people seem to think that an older woman having sex with an underage male should get a pass (especially if she is attractive). Whereas an older male having sex with an underage female is called a pervert and such, and people are hoping he gets a harsh punishment. Clearly there is a double standard.

Really? I don't see anyone prosecuting that 51 year old guy who married a 16 year old girl.

 

[jjenny]

Really? I don't see anyone prosecuting that 51 year old guy who married a 16 year old girl.

He legally married her with parental permission. I think you know full well he can't be prosecuted for that.

 

[Cappuccino]

He legally married her with parental permission. I think you know full well he can't be prosecuted for that.

This relationship also has parental permission.

 

[jjenny]

This relationship also has parental permission.

Did you miss the "legally married" part? The parents can't just give permission for their 16 year old to have sex with an adult without the marriage.

 

[Cappuccino]

I must have missed the part where she legally married him. Oh, of course she couldn't, given that she already had a husband and all.

So that's what she's been prosecuted for - adultery? Sex outside of marriage? I thought the issue was supposed to be that the boy was underage.

I don't think its reasonable to accuse people here of some weird bias in favour of female sex offenders when this woman's actions are very similar to those of a man who apparently legally married a girl the same age as this boy. If she's old enough to get married, why is it illegal for him to have consensual sex, (with parental permission)?

 

[LadyL]

well, it's obvious where she learned not to respect boundaries ... her mother, who was a principal at a middle school, sent the boy a text message telling him to get rid of the phone

 

[LadyL]

It's been more than a month now, and there's been nothing added about this 'depraved
female authority figure that preyed on innocent youth' (that is me being extremely sarcastic). The only ones truly maligning this young lady's character are some anonymous sources at Nik Richie's website, Nik and his attorney. It's amazing to me the extent this guy is willing to go to, and I sure do hope when the truth is out, that Nik is going to be paying for destroying the reputation of a young lady that didn't deserve this.
As for the people that posted nasty comments about Sarah Jones here. Why did you stop? Did you run out of information? Because I can certainly see where apologies are in order.
Sarah, I pray that when the truth comes out, you'll be vindicated and people will be lining up to apologize to you.

maybe now Nik can sue her for slander because she said his 'lies' ruined her reputation

she ruined her reputation herself

 

[jjenny]

Very funny to read some of these original posts considering her plea deal.
Normally it's not what I've seen here when someone is accused of sex with a minor. That's why I said that the only reason for it I can come up with is that she is a female (reasonably attractive one at that).

 

[Cappuccino]

Very funny to read some of these original posts considering her plea deal.
Normally it's not what I've seen here when someone is accused of sex with a minor. That's why I said that the only reason for it I can come up with is that she is a female (reasonably attractive one at that).

Again, is that really the only reason you can see for people initially thinking she was innocent? You don't think maybe it was the fact that the "victim" and his parents were insisting that she was innocent?

 

[jjenny]

So in other words what she did wouldn't be a crime in many other states, and/or if they were married. Do you think maybe that's the reason some of us are saying this isn't in anything like the same league as someone who runs around molesting and raping children? Or is her being female the only difference you can see?

That's how it works, generally. What is a crime in one state might not be a crime in another. For instance, in TX, it's not legal for a teacher to have sex with a student who is over 18, while it might be legal in other states. <modsnip>.

 

[mikkismom]

We had a similar situation near us. Female teacher accused of 'sexting' 17yo male student. I think it is still working it's way through the courts. I interact with her in another setting. I have no problem working with her in this other setting, however, I do not think she should be working alone with youth, nor would I trust my children alone with her. IMO, boundaries were crossed that shouldn't have been, KWIM? The Courtney Stodden situation makes me ill. Look at some of the other cases where teens and children are sexualized... the whole concept takes away part of their 'being'.

This 'woman' is using this teen. Just like she has used others. She has sued people who talk bad about her and then thumbed her nose at the court when it went against her!

Self-control is out of style.

Sorry for the rant. Why can't we trust our teachers, preachers, ice cream truck drivers etc. around our children anymore?

JMVHO

 

[forthelost]

From what I understand, he was a student at her school, which put him under her authority. If they had just met somewhere it'd be one thing, but sex with someone you are in a position of authority towards is wrong. Even if he was eighteen, if he was a student at the school she taught at, it's off limits. It's the same reason bosses shouldn't be involved with their employees, or doctors or nurses with their patients, regardless of age.

And for the record, I think the fifty-one year old marrying the sixteen year old girl is disgusting, but I can't annul the marriage myself. I can only change the laws.

 

[EXIA15145]

Former Ben-Gal Pleads Guilty To Sex With Student

http://www.local12.com/news/local/s...-Sex-With-Student/CshQi6S5IU2CFfEJ9rj8xQ.cspx

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jmo etc.

I have to admit, I did not see this coming. I had seen her on one of the news type shows talking about theDirty.com, and I believed her. She said she was innocent, the kid's family said nothing had happened, and yes, I thought it was another case of persecution. But, I have to admit, I'm human, I make mistakes.

 

[EXIA15145]

Very funny to read some of these original posts considering her plea deal.
Normally it's not what I've seen here when someone is accused of sex with a minor. That's why I said that the only reason for it I can come up with is that she is a female (reasonably attractive one at that).

BBM
Well, let's see, original posts? I think that would include me, and if the only reason you can come up with is that she is a female, you're definitely wrong about me. I watched whatever the show was, Dateline, Primetime, 60 Minutes, Nightline, etc, I don't remember which one. There was a lot of information there and it's true I thought she was sincere in proclaiming her innocence, and at the time there were no criminal charges or allegations, and that made a difference in how I looked at the case.

 

[EXIA15145]

Really? I don't see anyone prosecuting that 51 year old guy who married a 16 year old girl.

I remember a case where the young couple were in the process of arranging a wedding. The young man had recently turned 18, and the girl, who was pregnant, was about to turn 16. The parents were giving permission for the marriage, but the prosecutor got him instead, and sent him to prison. They expected to marry when he got out of prison, but he was going to be labeled a pedophile for the rest of his life. That situation is so sad, given their ages were so close, and their birthdays off just enough for the prosecutor to go after him.

 

[Cappuccino]

I remember a case where the young couple were in the process of arranging a wedding. The young man had recently turned 18, and the girl, who was pregnant, was about to turn 16. The parents were giving permission for the marriage, but the prosecutor got him instead, and sent him to prison. They expected to marry when he got out of prison, but he was going to be labeled a pedophile for the rest of his life. That situation is so sad, given their ages were so close, and their birthdays off just enough for the prosecutor to go after him.

That's crazy. Sometimes the law is an , that's one example of it. Another is the 51 yr old with the 16 year old, sitting in interviews boasting about how he is going to "raise his wife" - and that doesn't become any less creepy just because the law in some parts allows old perverts to take child brides.

 

[jjenny]

So do I. There's plenty of times I give a male defendant the benefit of the doubt, for example right now on the April Jones thread. This woman looked innocent on the grounds of the information we had in front of us, nothing to do with her gender.

Didn't look innocent to me, and I sure thought she was playing "I am so innocent" act.

 

[EXIA15145]

maybe now Nik can sue her for slander because she said his 'lies' ruined her reputation

she ruined her reputation herself

He did lie. He posted information on his website that was from an anonymous source, and was unsubstantiated by criminal charges. IIRC, the criminal charges were filed at the instigation of NR's attorney, once the civil lawsuit was won. Among the lies, still unsubstaniated are that Sarah Jones slept with the entire Bengal team, she has/had more than one STD, she slept with one particular player that NR 'didn't like'. She didn't ruin her reputation herself. Her reputation was ruined online before there was a breath of a scandal anywhere else.

 

[EXIA15145]

So in other words what she did wouldn't be a crime in many other states, and/or if they were married. Do you think maybe that's the reason some of us are saying this isn't in anything like the same league as someone who runs around molesting and raping children? Or is her being female the only difference you can see?

That's the part that bothered me the most, referring to her as 'the female Sandusky'. That conclusion is just so wrong. There's no corollary there.

 

[Cappuccino]

<modsnip>

Jjenny - what did you make of the young man and his parents denying that any crime had taken place?