GUILTY KY - Sarah Jones for child sexual abuse, Edgewood, 2012

[Salem]

Knock it off in here. Stop making all the posts personal. You have different opinions - big deal. Nothing to fight about - so STOP. AND responding to a post, makes you part of the problem and subject to the same consequences.

Salem

 

[EXIA15145]

The thing here is, Sarah Jones has apparently pled guilty to charges. As far as I can tell, there's nothing there regarding her having sex with one Bengal player, her having two STDs, her having sex with the entire Bengals team, etc. and a main point in this discussion:
Anything she is charged with/pleaded guilty to is in regards to one young man. This may affect her character but in no way does it make her eligible for the equivalent of a 'female Jerry Sandusky'. It doesn't mean several other accusations made at thedirty.com are true. This disturbs me because all that it takes is someone to submit some unsubstantiated anonymous claims and watch the internet light up. I sure wouldn't want to be a child in this day and age. Before, it was the whole school, the whole town would hear these rumors, now it's the whole world. And the members here should have a pretty good idea of what kind of people there are online and in the world and looking for a victim, regardless of age, sex or stability.
One thirteen year old commited suicide over a fictitious boy. Another 11 yr old, pretending to be 16, got into a sordid mess that also involved adults exhibiting malicious behavior. You can't tell the children from the teenagers or the adults. One thirteen year old ended up chained to a bed in some 38 yr old male's house and was rescued by the FBI. I can't believe the girl got in the car with the guy. It was a miracle she was found alive and relatively safe.
I don't know what's going on between the defendant and the young man, and that wasn't what drew me to this thread nor is it the reason I posted. I posted because allegations of an extreme nature were made and some people started bashing the young woman's reputation before the preliminary reports were concluded. All I had hoped for was the truth and that she would get a fair trial.

 

[CCmakes3]

I am just sad that the young man's parents didn't see fit to give him any guidance in this situation during the waning days of his childhood. I have a son who just turned 18 a few days ago. He is applying to universities, has a job and a serious girlfriend of over a year, and is so excited to vote in the upcoming election that he makes me feel guilty, but it still feels weird to call him a MAN, and he still doesn't have his mama's life experience in dealing with immature adults with poor coping mechanisms who seek out vulnerable or inexperienced individuals to fill their empty self-esteem buckets. I still call 'em like I see 'em, especially when I see 'em coming for my son, and oftentimes he actually listens! Sometimes he even says thanks!

Did his parents honestly think that a divorced NFL cheerleader and teacher was a good relationship for their son to be involved in during his last years of high school (arguably the best years of many kids' lives), or did they just get tired of parenting and figure he was "close enough" to being "fully cooked?" How any educated parent wouldn't foresee the potential of scandal in the relationship is beyond me. Maybe that wa$ the appeal.

I'll never understand parents who are in such a hurry for their teens to grow up. It's your last chance to guide and influence your children before they leave you -- don't just give it away!!

 

[CCmakes3]

I thought Sarah gave a telling clue to her personality in her Dateline interview. She said that the boys at the school where she taught liked her, but the girls were jealous of their boyfriends being in her class. This seems like a bit of projecting to me. Teenage girls are just as starstruck by the glamour and celebrity surrounding professional cheerleadering as teenage boys. If she were truly innocent and behaving appropriately and professionally, there would be just as many girls as boys trying to curry her favor and hitch their wagon to her star. Cheerleading is huge business and major status for teenage girls.

I can't help but wonder if her feeling of being victimized and persecuted at the hands of her female students was in fact the defense mechanism of a guilty conscience. Also (though I hate to read too much into a person's appearance, particularly if they can't help it), I wonder if not being "conventionally pretty" (facially, at least) affected her confidence level among her cheerleading peers and impacted her relationships with other women. She really hasn't had many people speak out and sing her praises outside of her family and her teenage boyfriend.

 

[CocoChanel]

It is clear to me that there is some sort if dysfunction/mental heath issue in play here.
An emotionally healthy young woman in her position would not have allowed herself to get involved in a relationship with a student at her school knowing that it violated the code of conduct expected of a teacher, not to mention the law. It seems to me there are deep personality issues that resulted in this behavior. I hope she has sought counseling and treatment for whatever drove her to engage in such actions. I cannot see her finding happiness without it.

 

[CCmakes3]

Anything she is charged with/pleaded guilty to is in regards to one young man. This may affect her character but in no way does it make her eligible for the equivalent of a 'female Jerry Sandusky'.

True, but part of what prevented her from going down that path may have been the "receptiveness" of her first chosen victim. If "victim #1" in the Sandusky case would have pursued Jerry as ardently as Jerry was pursuing him, Jerry might have been slower to take on new victims. I wonder about this in many cases where females are the perpetrators...do they tend to have a lower victim count simply because their adolescent male victims are seemingly more receptive and available to them, making it less necessary for them to troll for the next victim?

 

[iluvmua]

I could understand if he was in his early 20s and a former student of hers and not someone who had just graduated or was still a student.

That's the problem he was still a student.

 

[EXIA15145]

True, but part of what prevented her from going down that path may have been the "receptiveness" of her first chosen victim. If "victim #1" in the Sandusky case would have pursued Jerry as ardently as Jerry was pursuing him, Jerry might have been slower to take on new victims. I wonder about this in many cases where females are the perpetrators...do they tend to have a lower victim count simply because their adolescent male victims are seemingly more receptive and available to them, making it less necessary for them to troll for the next victim?

Please explain how what you quoted from me pertains to these comments of yours.

 

[LinasK]

Please explain how what you quoted from me pertains to these comments of yours.

She's still a female molester and child predator. She just picked an older victim, and hasn't had as many as Jerry Sandusky.

 

[CCmakes3]

She's still a female molester and child predator. She just picked an older victim, and hasn't had as many as Jerry Sandusky.

Thank you, LinasK, that pretty much puts it in a nutshell.

EXIA15145, I apologize if I offended you or took your quote out of context. I thought you were saying that Sarah differed from Sandusky because she only had one victim and because the victim voluntarily consented.

I do agree that these are valid and important distinctions; it just brought up an interesting question for me regarding female offenders and a potential reason for why they might tend to be less prolific than male pedophiles (generally speaking, of course). Of course there are many different "types," even among male pedophiles alone, but given that a certain type of pedophile (like Sandusky, I believe) wants to believe that children welcome and enjoy sexual advances, said pedophile might be inclined to keep "trying" new children until he found one that seemed to be receptive to the acts. I'm guessing that (in general) an attractive, 20-something female targeting teenage males would find a receptive target sooner than a elderly male targeting tweens, and thus avoid or delay branching out to additional victims.

 

[EXIA15145]

Thank you, LinasK, that pretty much puts it in a nutshell.

EXIA15145, I apologize if I offended you or took your quote out of context. I thought you were saying that Sarah differed from Sandusky because she only had one victim and because the victim voluntarily consented.

I do agree that these are valid and important distinctions; it just brought up an interesting question for me regarding female offenders and a potential reason for why they might tend to be less prolific than male pedophiles (generally speaking, of course). Of course there are many different "types," even among male pedophiles alone, but given that a certain type of pedophile (like Sandusky, I believe) wants to believe that children welcome and enjoy sexual advances, said pedophile might be inclined to keep "trying" new children until he found one that seemed to be receptive to the acts. I'm guessing that (in general) an attractive, 20-something female targeting teenage males would find a receptive target sooner than a elderly male targeting tweens, and thus avoid or delay branching out to additional victims.

<modsnip> about child molesters, there is a difference between male and female ones, and believe it or not, in most states the victims have to be less than a certain age for the predator to be considered a pedophile . The age of consent varies from 16 to 18 in all U.S. states. In Canada the age is 16. Central America ranges from 15 to 18.

Ages of consent in North America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

other links are available if you do a search for 'ages of consent'.


A pedophile is defined as 'someone over the age of 16 whose primary or exclusive sexual interest is in prepubescent or early pubescent children.'

That definition doesn't fit the knowledge we have available on Sarah Jones, does it? He was older, 15? 16?

You can do a search of your own, I know wikipedia isn't considered an extremely reliable source, but I found other sources by searching online and you may prefer to choose your own sources rather than depend on mine.

Oh, and the supposition that she didn't have more victims because her first was willing doesn't work. She did not have other victims (that we know of) and you can't charge, well, they do, but you supposedly can't convict someone of a crime they didn't do. Even if you add the word 'yet'.
Example: John and Bo Derek.

 

[EXIA15145]

She's still a female molester and child predator. She just picked an older victim, and hasn't had as many as Jerry Sandusky.

No, by definition she is not a child predator. <modsnip>. See the post I made just prior to this.

 

[EXIA15145]

I was reading up to see if Mary Kay Letourneau was considered a pedophile, but I didn't have any luck as far as seeing those exact words in print. Anyone else know?

 

[CCmakes3]

<modsnip> about child molesters, there is a difference between male and female ones, and believe it or not, in most states the victims have to be less than a certain age for the predator to be considered a pedophile . The age of consent varies from 16 to 18 in all U.S. states. In Canada the age is 16. Central America ranges from 15 to 18.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America

other links are available if you do a search for 'ages of consent'.


A pedophile is defined as 'someone over the age of 16 whose primary or exclusive sexual interest is in prepubescent or early pubescent children.'

That definition doesn't fit the knowledge we have available on Sarah Jones, does it? He was older, 15? 16?

You can do a search of your own, I know wikipedia isn't considered an extremely reliable source, but I found other sources by searching online and you may prefer to choose your own sources rather than depend on mine.

Oh, and the supposition that she didn't have more victims because her first was willing doesn't work. She did not have other victims (that we know of) and you can't charge, well, they do, but you supposedly can't convict someone of a crime they didn't do. Even if you add the word 'yet'.
Example: John and Bo Derek.

You are correct, I am not an expert on "child molesters." I apologize if I somehow insinuated that I was. I'm nothing more than a mother of two boys who is curious as to what attracts a woman in a position of authority to a teenager. Unlike Sarah's boyfriend's parents (I'll stop referring to the young man as "the victim"), I'm interested in doing what I can to keep my sons OUT of such a situation. None of what I said about pedophiles, male or female, was insinuated as fact. I thought I made it clear that I was merely speculating. Sorry about that!

I probably shouldn't have started posting so late into this thread. I have been following the case but didn't feel compelled to post until the recent Dateline episode where the relationship between Sarah and the young man was presented as just a typical romance. Something about it rubbed me the wrong way. Before you look back at my previous posts and feel compelled to inform me that my own son has reached the age of consent and therefore would be fair game for Sarah Jones, let me state for the record that frankly I DO tend to view 16-17-year-old male victims of attractive female perpetrators a bit differently than other victims, under certain circumstances. I fully concede that if they voluntarily take part in the encounter then they are probably less likely to be SEVERELY emotionally scarred for life, but if the law calls it a crime then I feel that these young men are still victims in a sense, and as such should still be afforded victim's rights and society's compassion.

Ultimately though, you are right, EXIA15145-- I DON'T know Sarah Jones and I probably don't "know anything about child molesters" either, lol. Sorry to offend and sorry if I misled anyone with my analytical but misguided speculation.

 

[CCmakes3]

I was reading up to see if Mary Kay Letourneau was considered a pedophile, but I didn't have any luck as far as seeing those exact words in print. Anyone else know?

A pedophile is defined as 'someone over the age of 16 whose primary or exclusive sexual interest is in prepubescent or early pubescent children.

I don't know but according to your definition above, I guess it would depend on whether Vili Fualaau had reached puberty by the age of 12, when they had their first sexual encounter. But she was probably still having sex with her husband, too, so I don't know if you could even say that Vili was her "primary or exclusive sexual interest." In that case, I'm not sure how ANYONE can legitimately be called a pedophile. Many of them are sexually active with their wives or girlfriends at the same time, aren't they? Does this preclude them from being pedophiles? (I'm not being snarky, I'm genuinely asking!) Perhaps the label isn't as meaningful as we at WS think it is.

 

[Salem]

You are correct, I am not an expert on "child molesters." I apologize if I somehow insinuated that I was. I'm nothing more than a mother of two boys who is curious as to what attracts a woman in a position of authority to a teenager. Unlike Sarah's boyfriend's parents (I'll stop referring to the young man as "the victim"), I'm interested in doing what I can to keep my sons OUT of such a situation. None of what I said about pedophiles, male or female, was insinuated as fact. I thought I made it clear that I was merely speculating. Sorry about that!

I probably shouldn't have started posting so late into this thread. I have been following the case but didn't feel compelled to post until the recent Dateline episode where the relationship between Sarah and the young man was presented as just a typical romance. Something about it rubbed me the wrong way. Before you look back at my previous posts and feel compelled to inform me that my own son has reached the age of consent and therefore would be fair game for Sarah Jones, let me state for the record that frankly I DO tend to view 16-17-year-old male victims of attractive female perpetrators a bit differently than other victims, under certain circumstances. I fully concede that if they voluntarily take part in the encounter then they are probably less likely to be SEVERELY emotionally scarred for life, but if the law calls it a crime then I feel that these young men are still victims in a sense, and as such should still be afforded victim's rights and society's compassion.

Ultimately though, you are right, EXIA15145-- I DON'T know Sarah Jones and I probably don't "know anything about child molesters" either, lol. Sorry to offend and sorry if I misled anyone with my analytical but misguided speculation.

CCmakes3 - you didn't offend anyone. No worries. You are not the only poster that feels Sarah Jones broke the law and the young man is a victim. And you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

Our seasoned posters sometimes forget what it is like to be a newby, unfamiliar with our threads or their individual posting styles. So let me apologize for them. I'm sure they meant to be much more welcoming here.

Right guys? It doesn't matter which side of the fence you are on, everybody's opinion is welcome.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[LinasK]

No, by definition she is not a child predator. <modsnip>. See the post I made just prior to this.

Legally she may not be, but morally she is, at least in my book! A 17 year old is still immature, and not of legal age to vote, drink, or enlist in the military. Recently here, a 17 year old boy ran over and killed a father and his daughter, He just got sentenced to 8 years,and will only serve 3 years in Juvie then be released!!:jail:

 

[HMSHood]

I have noticed some things these female teachers who have sex with students have in common.
-Late 20s to 30s
-Often married
-Immature, act like overgrown adolescent

I suspect immaturity is a huge factor.

 

[CCmakes3]

I have noticed some things these female teachers who have sex with students have in common.
-Late 20s to 30s
-Often married
-Immature, act like overgrown adolescent

I suspect immaturity is a huge factor.

Agreed. It's almost as if they see themselves as immune from adulthood and adult responsibility. I think nearly all of them truly don't see what the big deal is, even when they claim to accept that they did something wrong. There is always an underlying mood of being persecuted that comes out when they are interviewed by the media.

I wonder if some of them decide to become teachers because they feel they have "unfinished business" pertaining to highschool and want to revisit that environment. Perhaps they were never as popular as they wanted to be or never got to date the popular boys or simply felt that no one understood them or appreciated their talents. Once back in that environment, perhaps they fall back into that unfinished student/adolescent role, only this time with the ability to command attention and just a bit more confidence due to life experience.

 

[hellinor]

Agreed. It's almost as if they see themselves as immune from adulthood and adult responsibility. I think nearly all of them truly don't see what the big deal is, even when they claim to accept that they did something wrong. There is always an underlying mood of being persecuted that comes out when they are interviewed by the media.

I wonder if some of them decide to become teachers because they feel they have "unfinished business" pertaining to highschool and want to revisit that environment. Perhaps they were never as popular as they wanted to be or never got to date the popular boys or simply felt that no one understood them or appreciated their talents. Once back in that environment, perhaps they fall back into that unfinished student/adolescent role, only this time with the ability to command attention and just a bit more confidence due to life experience.

Did you see Dateline last week? Something about ehr when she spoke seemed very young, reminded me very much of a teenager. Perhaps being surrounded by them causes/contributes to this? It is one of those "nature/nurture" things: are they there because those personalities are drawn there? Does being there cause them to become like this? Or a bit of both?