Found Deceased KY - Savannah Spurlock, 22, left 'The Other Bar' with 2 men, Richmond, 4 Jan 2019 #3

[ab01]

Thanks for sharing this about, you don't need links for things that have been accepted earlier in the thread. That's what made sense to me. I have moderated a vBulletin discussion forum so my experience does help me out when using this forum but this forum has a lot of rules and I'm still learning just how the moderators apply the rules on the forum.

If they have been linked in previous threads by MSM. Just don’t want people to be confused, and think just bc something has been discussed in earlier threads, doesn’t necessarily validate it unless it had an msm link at some point jmo

 

[BaileyC]

I think I misunderstood what the topic of your original statement was, Were you referring to your statement that the female friend of SS that was with her that night rode with her from Richmond? If so you got me bc I looked and looked and I was also unable to back it up through MSM.

Can't figure out why it was so hard to find but it was for me and also you. Bad luck I think.

I understand why posting links is very important but just wanted to point out my opinion. My opinion is when you come to the forum to discuss a case it's very helpful to read the thread or threads before you first post. Time consuming but very helpful to all participating in the discussion of that particular case. Also reading the rules of the forum should be a must.

I failed to do these two things when I started posting about this case. I had discussed Savannah in fB groups and came here thinking I understood the case well enough to just start posting without reading the threads, my mistake. Also didn't review the rules. Have read them before but needed a review of them.

You addressed this in many posts so I'll just say thank you here in this post. Much of what you shared was of help and some of what you said I am aware of.

I hope the Mods feel this post is helpful and don't consider this, off topic.

 

[BaileyC]

If they have been linked in previous threads by MSM. Just don’t want people to be confused, and think just bc something has been discussed in earlier threads, doesn’t necessarily validate it unless it had an msm link at some point jmo

I agree with your opinion, guess I didn't clarify what I said well enough.

 

[BaileyC]

They found SS's car at an apartment complex. They never named the complex in MSM so I don't want to put that out there. I had assumed it was at the apt complex that the male friend lived at but that's never been verified either. I do think at some point she would have needed to get a ride to her car, either something like uber or from someone else. Maybe she thought they were going to drive her back? Or maybe she was going to hang out for a little bit longer and then get a ride back to her car with them. She left her phone charger in the car which makes me think she hadn't planned on being gone for real long. Even her friend and mom are quoted saying that she would never let her phone just die. And you're welcome!

I have not read or heard she left her phone charger in the car. I was wondering about the phone charger.

 

[ab01]

Does anybody local know if or where they are still searching? local media kinda went silent after the big weekend searches. I know cajun coast goes home today, but hopefully they have eliminated enough to narrow her location. MOO

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

I don’t see anyone arguing with this. Not sure where you are finding this particular contention.

If I might add, we know little about what actually happened. We know a little about SS from media, Mom's interview (who is surely in shock), Dad, and a few pics LE released. We know nothing of the men. SS's friend and why they argued or why the friend left. We know nothing from witnesses in the bar or anywhere else. There has been no real evidence given by LE. We know she left with the men. Hung up on her mother. Called back using Facetime. Was at the house in Garrand CO. To make a statement as if it is fact, that SS left willingly with 3 men, made a phone call so wasn't coming back till morning and why don't people get that, you need to show actual proof not suppositions such as being drunk or irresponsible. Imagine the prosecutor in court if that were used in defense. How do you now she was drunk, did you see her drink? How much did she drink? What was she drinking. How do you know she she wasn't given a drug? Were you watching SS and never turned your head away? How do you know she went willingly? ETC ETC. As crazy as it may sound that is how some think when reading a statement by a poster. If it were opinion and backed up by reasoning it wouldn't get the same scrutiny because one understands it is based on a myriad of thoughts, personal and life experience, the little facts known and more. Predisposed thoughts are road blocks to truth. LE 101. Forming an opinion is fine. Making a statement without real proof, evidence, fact, is a disservice to self and others. Maybe I take things to seriously but I have seen first hand the damage it can cause. And it goes both ways; victim and anyone people are suspicious of but have not been named as a POI. Forgive this lengthly, stodgy opinion. When one has had "these are peoples LIVES" grilled into them for many years they tend to carry that with them in all facets of lives. JMO
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[BlinkOfAnI]

Regarding her hanging up on her mom, maybe the men encouraged her to call back and tell her mom she was okay, because they planned to harm her and wanted mom not to think anything was wrong or call police.

I have wondered that. I can see a scenario of SS automatically picking up her phone when it rang and one of the men panicking and grabbing it or telling her to hang up. Then realizing it could cause suspicion telling her to call back and threatening her to act natural. Funny because I have seen this played out many times in movies and tv. JMO

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

If savannah thought they were taking her to her car then why did she say 'il be back in a few hours'??? Surely doesnt take that long to get back to her car and drive home? Not hours? And why would she go straight back to her car and drive intoxicated when shes just had a DUI? Would she really do that again and risk getting caught?

She may have been hoping to sleep at the friends house where she left the car.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

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[BaileyC]

I have wondered that. I can see a scenario of SS automatically picking up her phone when it rang and one of the men panicking and grabbing it or telling her to hang up. Then realizing it could cause suspicion telling her to call back and threatening her to act natural. Funny because I have seen this played out many times in movies and tv. JMO

When I consider all we know about the phone call it tells me she wasn't forced to say what she said to her Mother and she wanted to spend more time with them before returning home. Here's why I feel this way

We know Savannah and two of the men left the bar a little after 2:30 a.m. because there's a clock in one of the pictures showing the time. Also we know Savannah was walking with one of the men separate from the other man and had her arm around his arm.

The Mother, Ellen, says she calls Savannah about 2:30 a.m. and in one of her statements she said around 2:45 she called Savannah. This tells me Savannah hadn't been traveling with the men for very long when she talked with her Mother.

The Mother explains that she started the conversation scolding Savannah for not being home and Savannah hangs up but then calls back. Mom explains to media she thinks she hung up because of Moms tone when asking her why she wasn't home.

Savannah tells her Mother she is with friends having fun and will be home later in the morning, I promise. Seems if Savannah was going out to eat or to her car she would have told her Mom that. She would have said, I'm going out to eat with friends and will be home soon. Or I'm being driven to my car and will be home soon. She didn't say these things and what she did say leaves a lot of hours before she may be home. Morning is until noon and it was around 3:a.m. when they talked.

The way the Mom worded what Savannah said to her was strange to me because it does leave so many questions as to just what time Savannah was saying she would be home. Mom does say that she thought Savannah would be home by 8 ish when the Mom woke up that morning.

We don't know what time her Mom needed the car and it's also has been said Savannah had a court date she had to be to that day. What time was this and is this report accurate? I can't recall if this was in video or a written in a media report.

All of the things I've mentioned above tells me Savannah left with the men and her intention was to do something with one of them or all of them for an undisclosed exact amount of time before returning home.

Also we have the conflicting reports by Mom saying Savannah sounded fine but then in another report saying Savannah was very intoxicated. Now we have Dad saying Savannah had been making very poor decisions for a while. Not his exact words and he did not explain so that we can understand just what he was telling us.

I have to consider the fact Savannah may have been very intoxicated and that leaves so many possibilities as to what she may have been thinking and why she did what she did. Was she feeling rebellious for some reason?

It makes no sense with what we do know that she would agree to travel that far with these men and leave her car in Lexington but if she was highly intoxicated it may have left her unable to make decisions that were in her best interest. From what I know, I do think she was thinking well enough to not go that far and when the Mom and her talked she had plans to do more with a man or the men but had no idea she would be going to a location over an hour a way. If these men kidnapped her, this most likely was premeditated. Have they done something like this before? Rape or gang rape and not murder but this time it all went way to far. Because it seems they've covered their tracks so well leaves me thinking even more so this isn't their first time covering up a crime.

Everything I've mentioned above is a combination of my opinions and facts and the facts have been discussed before and a link was provided. I'm hoping I worded this well enough that it shows when what I said is my opinion.

 

[sloane7777]

When I consider all we know about the phone call it tells me she wasn't forced to say what she said to her Mother and she wanted to spend more time with them before returning home. Here's why I feel this way

We know Savannah and two of the men left the bar a little after 2:30 a.m. because there's a clock in one of the pictures showing the time. Also we know Savannah was walking with one of the men separate from the other man and had her arm around his arm.

The Mother, Ellen, says she calls Savannah about 2:30 a.m. and in one of her statements she said around 2:45 she called Savannah. This tells me Savannah hadn't been traveling with the men for very long when she talked with her Mother.

The Mother explains that she started the conversation scolding Savannah for not being home and Savannah hangs up but then calls back. Mom explains to media she thinks she hung up because of Moms tone when asking her why she wasn't home.

Savannah tells her Mother she is with friends having fun and will be home later in the morning, I promise. Seems if Savannah was going out to eat or to her car she would have told her Mom that. She would have said, I'm going out to eat with friends and will be home soon. Or I'm being driven to my car and will be home soon. She didn't say these things and what she did say leaves a lot of hours before she may be home. Morning is until noon and it was around 3:a.m. when they talked.

The way the Mom worded what Savannah said to her was strange to me because it does leave so many questions as to just what time Savannah was saying she would be home. Mom does say that she thought Savannah would be home by 8 ish when the Mom woke up that morning.

We don't know what time her Mom needed the car and it's also has been said Savannah had a court date she had to be to that day. What time was this and is this report accurate? I can't recall if this was in video or a written in a media report.

All of the things I've mentioned above tells me Savannah left with the men and her intention was to do something with one of them or all of them for an undisclosed exact amount of time before returning home.

Also we have the conflicting reports by Mom saying Savannah sounded fine but then in another report saying Savannah was very intoxicated. Now we have Dad saying Savannah had been making very poor decisions for a while. Not his exact words and he did not explain so that we can understand just what he was telling us.

I have to consider the fact Savannah may have been very intoxicated and that leaves so many possibilities as to what she may have been thinking and why she did what she did. Was she feeling rebellious for some reason?

It makes no sense with what we do know that she would agree to travel that far with these men and leave her car in Lexington but if she was highly intoxicated it may have left her unable to make decisions that were in her best interest. From what I know, I do think she was thinking well enough to not go that far and when the Mom and her talked she had plans to do more with a man or the men but had no idea she would be going to a location over an hour a way. If these men kidnapped her, this most likely was premeditated. Have they done something like this before? Rape or gang rape and not murder but this time it all went way to far. Because it seems they've covered their tracks so well leaves me thinking even more so this isn't their first time covering up a crime.

Everything I've mentioned above is a combination of my opinions and facts and the facts have been discussed before and a link was provided. I'm hoping I worded this well enough that it shows when what I said is my opinion.

I don't know if this makes sense but weren't they co workers ? it seems like if they were serial predators they would have more of a bond ....it just seems like they were friendly to each other by the descriptions , that last article also makes it sound like they aren't even persons of interest! (which is weird)

 

[ly502]

She may or may not have been looking for a "hook up" I think her attire suggests she was. Nothing wrong with that. I think she knew what the guys were looking for. jmo

Seriously? Maybe she just wanted to look nice after giving birth and being pregnant forever! Someone can want to look nice and desirable without looking for a hook-up.

 

[BaileyC]

I don't know if this makes sense but weren't they co workers ? it seems like if they were serial predators they would have more of a bond ....it just seems like they were friendly to each other by the descriptions , that last article also makes it sound like they aren't even persons of interest! (which is weird)

The friend of Savannah that told media she would never had traveled that far with strangers said they were co workers. I know my opinion on the men is tainted because of what I've read in social media. Because of what I've read I'm not sure these three men are just coworkers, hard for me to believe. But even co workers can be close to each other. Could be just one is guilty of a crime and some of the men had left and were not involved. This was my latest theory about covering up the crime and had they done this before. I've been all over the place with what I think may have happened and as I review all the media reports my theory changes. Facts lead you to solve a crime and assumptions can get a person too much to think about and confused. With this case we don't have a lot of facts so I have several theories I've thought about.

Yes, I haven't heard the men have been named as suspects or if foul play took place. I guess this is telling us they don't have a lot of evidence but not sure how these law enforcement officers handle a case like this.

 

[sloane7777]

Seriously? Maybe she just wanted to look nice after giving birth and being pregnant forever! Someone can want to look nice and desirable without looking for a hook-up.

I have to chime in here ....do men actually think women want that because they have dressed up ? because in my experience when I dress up ( and I don't think that's very dressed up , it looks like my work attire ) I am doing it because I will be around other WOMEN! women who are dressed and I simply want to look just as good or better than the other women I am with , IT has NOTHING to do with hooking up at all .....I just cant see her going out for that with new twins NO WAY!!! ouch ouch ouch NO just NO

 

[bwt42]

I don't know if this makes sense but weren't they co workers ? it seems like if they were serial predators they would have more of a bond ....it just seems like they were friendly to each other by the descriptions , that last article also makes it sound like they aren't even persons of interest! (which is weird)

A friend of SS said they were co-workers. She didn't know them. So, how did she know they were co-workers. Told by LE? Social media? Supposition?

 

[BaileyC]

I have to chime in here ....do men actually think women want that because they have dressed up ? because in my experience when I dress up ( and I don't think that's very dressed up , it looks like my work attire ) I am doing it because I will be around other WOMEN! women who are dressed and I simply want to look just as good or better than the other women I am with , IT has NOTHING to do with hooking up at all .....I just cant see her going out for that with new twins NO WAY!!! ouch ouch ouch NO just NO

I'm a woman and this is my opinion on how Savannah was dressed and why.

If you look at earlier pictures of Savannah, she was thin and very attractive. When you're pregnant you gain weight and for some women that is very depressing. I would think Savannah wanted to go out and look appealing. She wore a very low cut top and her breasts were large because of weight gain and being pregnant. I think she may have felt that was an asset for her looking attractive. Also the heels and dressing in a skirt and not pants. There's no way for me to know why Savannah dressed the way she did or if she wanted to meet a man and really like him. I don't see the way she dressed as being overly sexy or her trying to attract a man just for having sex. I liked the way she looked and loved the heels. Thought she looked great for just having twins. Adorable babies.

 

[BaileyC]

A friend of SS said they were co-workers. She didn't know them. So, how did she know they were co-workers. Told by LE? Social media? Supposition?

I imagine the family and friends of Savannah have worked hard to know who these men are. Lots of ways for them to find out. Most likely from those who know them.

 

[Cardinal47]

They have searched high and low but no sign of her anywhere. That seems to be the way of many missing. They just disappear!
I wonder with the Cajuns gone has Texas Equasearch taken over or were they just there for a few days?
Another question. Many posters have said they are local. Have any police officers come to your homes asking if you have any video cameras on your property?
I hope so. I hope somebody will start a really big push to do just that!
that's how Mollie Tibbetts was found. That's how they found out what happened to Micki S.

 

[JenniferTx]

Have there not been any new updates on this case? I can't find anything new online.

 

[HayLouise]

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