Found Deceased KY - Savannah Spurlock, 22, left 'The Other Bar' with 2 men, Richmond, 4 Jan 2019 #6 *Arrest*

[ardean]

I think I did the right thing by deleting them. The rules say if another member posts something that's upsetting to you to report it and not make comments that could lead to more conflict. The two posts I deleted were made because I didn't appreciate a post that was made to me so I made the decision to delete the two unnecessary posts I had made when I was a bit ticked off.

It is good to see all the differences of opinions, devil's advocates, etc. There are two sides to a coin. I will believe DS refrigerated her body with plans to get rid of it for good. The heat stayed on and getting rid of her body got harder to do. Maybe a power outage or something else no longer allowed him to store the body and he had to make a quick decision. Luckily the dad did the right thing and this case will be solved. I don't have an ego, however, if I am wrong and you are right. It is what it is either way. No matter what, poor poor Savannah. Such a sad situation even in the best outcome we can have from this point on.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

One way or the other we should know soon when the GJ meets on August 14th.

I did read in one of the news articles they expect any or all indictments to come down by August 16th. So next week is not far off.

It made me wonder if the DA asked for a special GJ to be empaneled to specifically hear this case only.

I've seen other DAs do that in the past. Two full days of testimony about a serious case such as this one sounds about the right amount of time. Imo.

Jmho

 

[BaileyC]

It is good to see all the differences of opinions, devil's advocates, etc. There are two sides to a coin. I will believe DS refrigerated her body with plans to get rid of it for good. The heat stayed on and getting rid of her body got harder to do. Maybe a power outage or something else no longer allowed him to store the body and he had to make a quick decision. Luckily the dad did the right thing and this case will be solved. I don't have an ego, however, if I am wrong and you are right. It is what it is either way. No matter what, poor poor Savannah. Such a sad situation even in the best outcome we can have from this point on.

I also have considered he refrigerated the body for a while and ended up putting her on his folks property. I researched a lot on decomposition but there are too many things involved for me to know for sure if he moved her or if she has been there the entire time.

I also don't have to be right or wrong. I agree this is tragic and so sad Savannah, a young woman, mother of four beautiful young children lost her life and it didn't have to happen. She should have had many more years to enjoy her life.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I've even wondered if one of the three slipped a date rape drug in her drink before even leaving the bar.

Imo, all three were up to no good when they saw Savannah. She probably hadn't eaten much either.

She was such a beautiful young woman with her entire life ahead of her. No matter her struggles from what her family has said she loved all of her children.

I wish she had encountered a nice young man who would have seen she got home safely instead of these three who were hunting for any woman they thought was weak, and vulnerable. And yes, nice young men also goes to bars with no bad intentions in mind.

No matter what they treated her like a doormat. No one deserves to be taken advantage of no matter who they are. Even more so if they all knew she was highly intoxicated, and even worse if they intentionally gave her drugs with the purpose of degrading her doing things she may not do if sober.

No matter if the other 2 arent charged they are predators, and so many are just like them in bars when hunting for vulnerable women.

Jmho

 

[molly1255]

What it really shows when he buried her bound, and naked dead body on his own parents property is how he only cares about himself, and no one else.

He didn't care how it would affect his family or the trauma, and pain of knowing he put his victim there. Imo, he didn't care who may be victimized for all that mattered to him was covering his own worthless azz.

Imo, he is a self centered despicable human being. He sounds very much like a narcissist who only cares about himself.

Imoo

I think you have summed up what it would take in a person's character to do these things. JMO, there is no empathy for anyone and the proof of that is in his actions with the burial alone. We'll find out what went on before that and I expect it to be hideous.

JMO

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

I've even wondered if one of the three slipped a date rape drug in her drink before even leaving the bar...

I also wondered if she was slipped a date rape drug.

How well did these three guys know each others? I was getting the impression that it wasn't like they were more than acquaintenance type of friends.

Guys in their 20's hanging at bars are looking to score, IMO. SS was drunk. She was a perfect target. I hate to say it, but I am sure that they zeroed in on her. She was young and still naive.

The guys wanted sex, period. They were not interested in her as a person. Hate to say it, but that's how I see it.

 

[MsBetsy]

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[MimosaMornings]

DBM

 

[Heaven Leigh]

I also believe this was not an accident.
40 mins is a long ride after leaving a bar. We don't know what condition she was in after the phone call with her Mom. Heck, she could have been carried in his house that night.
I think Savannah was out of it from being drugged . She was unable to leave, raped and murdered out of rage.

 

[bwt42]

One way or the other we should know soon when the GJ meets on August 14th.

I did read in one of the news articles they expect any or all indictments to come down by August 16th. So next week is not far off.

It made me wonder if the DA asked for a special GJ to be empaneled to specifically hear this case only.

I've seen other DAs do that in the past. Two full days of testimony about a serious case such as this one sounds about the right amount of time. Imo.

Jmho

I don't think there will be 2 full days of testimony. My understanding is that many different cases will be heard one day & 2 days later results will be announced.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think there will be 2 full days of testimony. My understanding is that many different cases will be heard one day & 2 days later results will be announced.

Morning bwt. Thank you for the info.

Would you please link the article you read that this GJ will be hearing many cases in this two day period? Tia

The reason I ask is most GJs I've seen tend to meet at the first of the month instead of in the middle.

Jmho

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I gotta be careful here. I think it is wishful thinking that SS could have met a nice young man that would have seen her safely to her car. I picture this nice young man sitting at the bar. She would have no interest in him. I have no reason to believe that SS behavior that night would have been any different if she wasn't drinking. jmo

What do you base it on that her behavior wouldn't have been any different whatsoever had she been completely sober?

That is a very judgemental opinion so surely you have some personal knowledge of facts about Savannah that supports it, right? Surely you must for this is a very disparaging opinion about someone who is dead now unable to defend or speak for herself.

Do you know Savannah personally, and have seen her behavior when she is completely sober vs.when she is highly intoxicated?

Tia

Jmho

 

[MsBetsy]

I gotta be careful here. I think it is wishful thinking that SS could have met a nice young man that would have seen her safely to her car. I picture this nice young man sitting at the bar. She would have no interest in him. I have no reason to believe that SS behavior that night would have been any different if she wasn't drinking. jmo

Well, one reason her behavior may have been different is since alcohol can cause people to become more social, open, and uninhibited it may have affected her judgement.

In large amounts it can cause people to become disoriented and they say and do things they would not normally do.

People have been known to take advantage of that. Women have been assaulted and raped in that condition.

Apparently that was the first time Savannah had gone out to party in a month since having her babies. Alcohol may have affected her more than usual if she had been used to drinking before. Imo

 

[bwt42]

Morning bwt. Thank you for the info.

Would you please link the article you read that this GJ will be hearing many cases in this two day period? Tia

The reason I ask is most GJs I've seen tend to meet at the first of the month instead of in the middle.

Jmho

When I say I think, I'm saying its my understanding. I don't know about Kentucky specifically but in many true crime books I've read the grand jury meets periodically & hears many cases in a session. Imo if this GJ meeting was to only consider DS charges it would take about 30 minutes. jmo

 

[bwt42]

What do you base it on that her behavior wouldn't have been any different whatsoever had she been completely sober?

That is a very judgemental opinion so surely you have some personal knowledge of facts about Savannah that supports it, right? Surely you must for this is a very disparaging opinion about someone who is dead now unable to defend or speak for herself.

Do you know Savannah personally, and have seen her behavior when she is completely sober vs.when she is highly intoxicated?

Tia

Jmho

I said I have no reason to believe she would not have acted the same. Its an opinion. I little off the subject but sheds a little light on her state of intoxication in my opinion is the fact she called her mom back from the car. I think she was sober enough to realize it was a bad idea to hang up on her mom so she called her back. jmo

 

[kc1023]

I said I have no reason to believe she would not have acted the same. Its an opinion. I little off the subject but sheds a little light on her state of intoxication in my opinion is the fact she called her mom back from the car. I think she was sober enough to realize it was a bad idea to hang up on her mom so she called her back. jmo

It's always a bad idea to hang up on your Mom lol

 

[oceanblueeyes]

When I say I think, I'm saying its my understanding. I don't know about Kentucky specifically but in many true crime books I've read the grand jury meets periodically & hears many cases in a session. Imo if this GJ meeting was to only consider DS charges it would take about 30 minutes. jmo

What do you base it on it would only take 30 minutes? Do you have a case, and link about a serious death such as this one when the victim was found dead, bound, naked, and buried only taking 30 minutes?

The reason I asked when my husband was on a GJ last year one of the cases involved a murder case, and that one alone lasted almost two days. The GJ he was on met for 2 weeks because there were several type of cases involved including the one about murder I mentioned. Then in the 6 months period he was recalled two more times.

How do we know they are only presenting evidence for only one indictment? They very likely could present evidence where the GJ will either true bill or no bill more than one offense against DS.

I have also been on a GJ although my service was several years back, but I dont recall any testimony lasting only 30 minutes for any particular case even those of a much lesser degree of severity.

All GJurors are also allowed to tell the prosecutor they want other witnesses called after hearing from the witnesses initially called before rendering a determination. They are also allowed to ask as many questions themselves they may have of any witnesss who has testified. That is why GJ can be useful in 2 different ways. 1. To bring indictments. 2. Use as an investigative tool.

DAs can also ask for a special GJ to hear only one particular case.

Imo, so only 30 minutes for such a serious case just isn't logical or feasible.

Probable cause has already been met in his preliminary hearing by the presiding judge on his initial offenses.

Imo, the GJ will decide if other more serious additional offenses are warranted based on the evidence/testimonies submitted to them that has been uncovered since he was first intially arrested, and charged.

We are seeing LE use this same smart tactic quite often now where they will arrest the suspect on other less severe charges intially ..while giving them time to collect the evidence needed for them to be indicted on the charge of murder or more severe charges.

I asked this question the other day, but never saw it answered, but could have missed it.

In several states only a GJ can hand down an indictment for the top charge of first degree murder. Do we know if KY is one of those states? Tia

Jmho

 

[MsBetsy]

I said I have no reason to believe she would not have acted the same. Its an opinion. I little off the subject but sheds a little light on her state of intoxication in my opinion is the fact she called her mom back from the car. I think she was sober enough to realize it was a bad idea to hang up on her mom so she called her back. jmo

True, but we don't know how much more she had to drink after she called her mom back.
If they left the bar to continue partying elsewhere, chances are the bar wasn't the only place they were drinking. Imo

 

[?mysterian?]

I said I have no reason to believe she would not have acted the same. Its an opinion. I little off the subject but sheds a little light on her state of intoxication in my opinion is the fact she called her mom back from the car. I think she was sober enough to realize it was a bad idea to hang up on her mom so she called her back. jmo

IIRC, her mother was able to understand what SS was saying during that call. IF there's a video out there (reported in Daily Mail and linked previously upthread), and IF that article is true about SS's condition in the video(reportedly unable to speak), it seems to indicate her level of consciousness changed and she became more impaired somehow, IMO. IF this video exists and the investigators find it, it could bring KY consent laws (as discussed previously upthread) into the case.

She may have been less impaired when she spoke to her mother than she was later, IMO.

 

[bwt42]

What do you base it on it would only take 30 minutes? Do you have a case, and link about a serious death such as this one when the victim was found dead, bound, naked, and buried only taking 30 minutes?

The reason I asked when my husband was on a GJ last year one of the cases involved a murder case, and that one alone lasted almost two days. The GJ he was on met for 2 weeks because there were several type of cases involved including the one about murder I mentioned. Then in the 6 months period he was recalled two more times.

How do we know they are only presenting evidence for only one indictment? They very likely could present evidence where the GJ will either true bill or no bill more than one offense against DS.

I have also been on a GJ although my service was several years back, but I dont recall any testimony lasting only 30 minutes for any particular case even those of a much lesser degree of severity.

All GJurors are also allowed to tell the prosecutor they want other witnesses called after hearing from the witnesses initially called before rendering a determination. They are also allowed to ask as many questions themselves they may have of any witnesss who has testified. That is why GJ can be useful in 2 different ways. 1. To bring indictments. 2. Use as an investigative tool.

DAs can also ask for a special GJ to hear only one particular case.

Imo, so only 30 minutes for such a serious case just isn't logical or feasible.

Probable cause has already been met in his preliminary hearing by the presiding judge on his initial offenses.

Imo, the GJ will decide if other more serious additional offenses are warranted based on the evidence/testimonies submitted to them that has been uncovered since he was first intially arrested, and charged.

We are seeing LE use this same smart tactic quite often now where they will arrest the suspect on other less severe charges intially ..while giving them time to collect the evidence needed for them to be indicted on the charge of murder or more severe charges.

I asked this question the other day, but never saw it answered, but could have missed it.

In several states only a GJ can hand down an indictment for the top charge of first degree murder. Do we know if KY is one of those states? Tia

Jmho

There is an old saying that a prosecutor can get a GJ to indict a ham sandwich. The defense doesn't present any evidence. All the prosecutor would have to show is a crime was committed & the perp likely did it. She was found dead on his parents property & he was last to see her. Heck, might not take even thirty minutes. jmo