Found Deceased KY - Savannah Spurlock, 22, left 'The Other Bar' with 2 men, Richmond, 4 Jan 2019 #6 *Arrest*

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  • #861
I agree that could cause someone to act in that manner. It’s hard to know what happened not knowing the people involved and their character.
Thank you for your comment kbpirate and I appreciate your honesty.
 
  • #862
This guy was 23 years old and let’s be honest, most 23 year olds don’t make the best decisions, even when they haven’t been drinking. I didn’t. Oh it is a miracle I’m not one of these cases on here with the stupid stuff I did. I don’t know if this was cold blooded murder, or something that just went real bad and DS panicked. A lot of lives ruined either way.
 
  • #863
Just for the record, there really hasn’t been any indication that DS was anywhere near black out drunk. He was sober enough to drive the 45ish minutes back to his house from Lexington. There are Good Samaritan laws in the state that specifically protect people from getting in trouble due to those types of circumstances. Statistically, most deaths attributed to some type of substance, whether it’s alcohol consumption or otherwise, is reported to authorities. I don’t think the overwhelming response would be concealment. When I was younger, I dated a guy whose mom was a mess. I watched her overdose twice, once in my car, and I never hesitated to call 911. I was 19 years old. The last thing on my mind was getting in trouble. Medical and legal professionals have campaigned pretty hard the last few years, especially in this state, about the Good Samaritan law keeping people from legal recourse if they report to authorities.
 
  • #864
I agree that could cause someone to act in that manner. It’s hard to know what happened not knowing the people involved and their character.
I just have to disagree, I am sorry. Blacking our and sleeping or being sick is one thing. I do not think that anyone other than a homicidal maniac would kill anyone , even if “black out drunk”. In my opinion, this is a cowardly and ridiculous excuse.
 
  • #865
Just for the record, there really hasn’t been any indication that DS was anywhere near black out drunk. He was sober enough to drive the 45ish minutes back to his house from Lexington. There are Good Samaritan laws in the state that specifically protect people from getting in trouble due to those types of circumstances. Statistically, most deaths attributed to some type of substance, whether it’s alcohol consumption or otherwise, is reported to authorities. I don’t think the overwhelming response would be concealment. When I was younger, I dated a guy whose mom was a mess. I watched her overdose twice, once in my car, and I never hesitated to call 911. I was 19 years old. The last thing on my mind was getting in trouble. Medical and legal professionals have campaigned pretty hard the last few years, especially in this state, about the Good Samaritan law keeping people from legal recourse if they report to authorities.
I had missed that he was driving. I have only recently started following this case. I don’t have enough evidence to say either way. I’m sure the police are keeping a lot quiet
 
  • #866
I had missed that he was driving. I have only recently started following this case. I don’t have enough evidence to say either way. I’m sure the police are keeping a lot quiet

I agree. I think they’re definitely keeping a lot quiet right now. Which is pretty standard, especially since it happened in a smaller county. if it does end up going to trial, they’ll need the best chances at finding impartial jurors. I think there’s probably a lot that we don’t know, and won’t know for quite a while. Ky, specifically, doesn’t have the friendliest laws when it comes to open records, compared to other states. It kind of makes cases like these feel like they take forever bc so little information is available in the beginning.
 
  • #867
It goes against every normal gut instinct to bind and dispose of a naked, young mother if her death was truly an accidental overdose. Could it happen? Yes, but those odds are extremely low and DS is still guilty of horrible actions. He is not innocent here in any way, that's already been proven when they found her remains buried at his parents home.

MOO
 
  • #868
I just have to disagree, I am sorry. Blacking our and sleeping or being sick is one thing. I do not think that anyone other than a homicidal maniac would kill anyone , even if “black out drunk”. In my opinion, this is a cowardly and ridiculous excuse.
@scruffydog You may have missed the point. There was no excuse being given.

The question was do you agree someone is more likely to try and cover up a murder if that person didn't know if they were responsible for that murder. In other word if someone woke up and found a dead body in their house and couldn't remember if they were involved in that persons death because they blacked out, do you think they would be more likely to conceal the body.
 
  • #869
Just for the record, there really hasn’t been any indication that DS was anywhere near black out drunk. He was sober enough to drive the 45ish minutes back to his house from Lexington. There are Good Samaritan laws in the state that specifically protect people from getting in trouble due to those types of circumstances. Statistically, most deaths attributed to some type of substance, whether it’s alcohol consumption or otherwise, is reported to authorities. I don’t think the overwhelming response would be concealment. When I was younger, I dated a guy whose mom was a mess. I watched her overdose twice, once in my car, and I never hesitated to call 911. I was 19 years old. The last thing on my mind was getting in trouble. Medical and legal professionals have campaigned pretty hard the last few years, especially in this state, about the Good Samaritan law keeping people from legal recourse if they report to authorities.

When a person is experiencing a blackout from drinking alcohol they can function, example: drive a vehicle and still be in a state where they can't remember things that took place during the blackout. This is my experience, I am a recovering alcoholic and drug dependent individual. I have experienced many a black out when I was using. Even as long as a two day blackout.

The Good Samaritan Law does not cover for a person who would be reporting the death of the person who overdosed. http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-
justice/drug-overdose-immunity-good-samaritan-laws.aspx


David and two other men were alone with Savannah and if David or the other two men found her not breathing and already knew what all took place that evening and morning may bring them criminal charges, there is a huge chance they or one of them would decide to run from their responsibilities of calling 911 and hide Savannah. Especially if illegal drugs were used.

Will you show the info you found showing statistics on overdose victims being reported verses not being reported, thanks.
 
  • #870
I want to correct a mistake I've made when discussing her being bound. My memory told me her ankles were taped together. I listened to the testimony again and it was said her feet were bound. He doesn't say bound together. Now that I know what was said I have a lot of questions as to how she was bound and why. I still think it could have been to get her body into the trash bags. I even questioned would you put tape on your toes and around the balls of your feet not to get blisters wearing high heels if you were not wearing hosiery. I know I've put tape on my toes and also heels before.

 
  • #871
I want to correct a mistake I've made when discussing her being bound. My memory told me her ankles were taped together. I listened to the testimony again and it was said her feet were bound. He doesn't say bound together. Now that I know what was said I have a lot of questions as to how she was bound and why. I still think it could have been to get her body into the trash bags. I even questioned would you put tape on your toes and around the balls of your feet not to get blisters wearing high heels if you were not wearing hosiery. I know I've put tape on my toes and also heels before.

I do not believe for a moment that LE would consider the type of taping a woman might do on her feet to avoid blisters worth mentioning, and I think it’s ludicrous to think they might mistake something like this for “being bound.” LE means something very specific when they mention the binding of a victim, and it’s not about blister prevention. It is seriously reaching to question if they could have meant such a thing, IMO.
 
  • #872
I want to correct a mistake I've made when discussing her being bound. My memory told me her ankles were taped together. I listened to the testimony again and it was said her feet were bound. He doesn't say bound together. Now that I know what was said I have a lot of questions as to how she was bound and why. I still think it could have been to get her body into the trash bags. I even questioned would you put tape on your toes and around the balls of your feet not to get blisters wearing high heels if you were not wearing hosiery. I know I've put tape on my toes and also heels before.

Hosiery isn’t very common to wear on a night out, unless it’s visible & for fashion purposes IMO. That said, I highly doubt SS used DS shipping tape herself to prevent blisters. Why would she apply it after the bar?

Bound means tied, chained, shackled, fettered, secured, tied up.
 
  • #873
I do not believe for a moment that LE would consider the type of taping a woman might do on her feet to avoid blisters worth mentioning, and I think it’s ludicrous to think they might mistake something like this for “being bound.” LE means something very specific when they mention the binding of a victim, and it’s not about blister prevention. It is seriously reaching to question if they could have meant such a thing, IMO.

I agree the tape being used for preventing blisters is far fetched (seriously reaching) but the detective just used the word bound to describe the way the tape was on her feet. I would have thought he would say bound together. Also seems strange to me someone would bind your feet if they were restraining you. Seems tape would have been on ankles taped together, wrists taped together and mouth taped shut if he was restraining her. Because of just using the word bound I was trying to think of reasons each foot would have tape. Couldn't come up with much.
 
  • #874
Hosiery isn’t very common to wear on a night out, unless it’s visible & for fashion purposes IMO. That said, I highly doubt SS used DS shipping tape herself to prevent blisters. Why would she apply it after the bar?

Bound means tied, chained, shackled, fettered, secured, tied up.
I couldn't find that particular definition when I looked but I would think he would have said her feet were bound together. Each foot could have been bound with tape, he didn't say bound together.
I just was looking to see if they found the same kind of tape used on Savannah's feet in David's home and couldn't find the tape being one of the items found in his home. Because of this I don't know when the tape was placed on her feet. It could be Savannah would have the same kind of tape as David would have if they both had shipping tape but I can't find David had that kind of tape at his home or anything saying when they thought the tape was applied. Another member mentioned the tape could have been off of the bags. I assume he taped the bags shut but they didn't mention it if he did. I'm just trying to get an accurate description of how her feet were bound and also why they were bound. I had thought the detective said ankles were taped together and I've found I was mistaken.
 
  • #875
Just for the record, there really hasn’t been any indication that DS was anywhere near black out drunk. He was sober enough to drive the 45ish minutes back to his house from Lexington. There are Good Samaritan laws in the state that specifically protect people from getting in trouble due to those types of circumstances. Statistically, most deaths attributed to some type of substance, whether it’s alcohol consumption or otherwise, is reported to authorities. I don’t think the overwhelming response would be concealment. When I was younger, I dated a guy whose mom was a mess. I watched her overdose twice, once in my car, and I never hesitated to call 911. I was 19 years old. The last thing on my mind was getting in trouble. Medical and legal professionals have campaigned pretty hard the last few years, especially in this state, about the Good Samaritan law keeping people from legal recourse if they report to authorities.
Could you please provide a link to the Good Samaritan laws for Kentucky that protect people who have found a dead body? I can't seem to find them. TIA
 
  • #876
I couldn't find that particular definition when I looked but I would think he would have said her feet were bound together. Each foot could have been bound with tape, he didn't say bound together.
I just was looking to see if they found the same kind of tape used on Savannah's feet in David's home and couldn't find the tape being one of the items found in his home. Because of this I don't know when the tape was placed on her feet. It could be Savannah would have the same kind of tape as David would have if they both had shipping tape but I can't find David had that kind of tape at his home or anything saying when they thought the tape was applied. Another member mentioned the tape could have been off of the bags. I assume he taped the bags shut but they didn't mention it if he did. I'm just trying to get an accurate description of how her feet were bound and also why they were bound. I had thought the detective said ankles were taped together and I've found I was mistaken.

I have found that when one must bend over backwards, parse words and nitpick semantics to try to find someone innocent of every single circumstance that appears sinister, we are perhaps reaching way too far. Savannah was found with tape indicating her feet were bound - they might not have been bound to each other - perhaps her legs were spread apart and feet bound to bedposts? Sometimes it makes sense to take a step back and look at the forest, not every individual tree. Savannah ended up dead and buried in his parents' backyard, the likelihood that she placed the tape on herself...really, I can't even.

However, since we are all awaiting any murder charges or autopsy results, everyone is entitled to their own opinion in defense of DS, I suppose. I just prefer to use common sense to draw some inferences.
 
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  • #877
Here are other examples of murder victims with their “feet bound.” I think the average person understands that when your ankles are bound, your feet are also bound together by proximity. It is fairly common to state that the feet, not the ankles, were bound. I assume none of these women had bound their own feet to prevent blisters.

Likewise, when they state they were bound by the hands, they most likely mean they were bound at the wrists.

Court documents reveal woman's body found with hands and feet bound following Thief River Falls fire | Grand Forks Herald

Murdered woman found bound in suitcase identified

Calif. Woman's Mansion Death Was Ruled a Suicide 8 Years Ago — But Family Believes It Was Murder
 
  • #878
I do not believe for a moment that LE would consider the type of taping a woman might do on her feet to avoid blisters worth mentioning, and I think it’s ludicrous to think they might mistake something like this for “being bound.” LE means something very specific when they mention the binding of a victim, and it’s not about blister prevention. It is seriously reaching to question if they could have meant such a thing, IMO.

And shipping tape was used.
 
  • #879
Here are other examples of murder victims with their “feet bound.” I think the average person understands that when your ankles are bound, your feet are also bound together by proximity. It is fairly common to state that the feet, not the ankles, were bound. I assume none of these women had bound their own feet to prevent blisters.

Likewise, when they state they were bound by the hands, they most likely mean they were bound at the wrists.

Court documents reveal woman's body found with hands and feet bound following Thief River Falls fire | Grand Forks Herald

Murdered woman found bound in suitcase identified

Calif. Woman's Mansion Death Was Ruled a Suicide 8 Years Ago — But Family Believes It Was Murder

These three murders you posted doesn't clear up my questions on how I would come to the conclusion Savannah was being restrained when just her feet were bound. The articles do tell me the detective may be saying her feet were bound in a way where she couldn't walk and that may very well be what he was saying but I question it.

The articles you posted have helped me understand this is a description used by detectives and thank you for sharing this. Let me give all of this some more thought. Still having a problem because her hands and mouth were free.
 
  • #880
BBM“A lot of stuff that he revealed that we didn’t know," Spurlock’s friend Sabrina Speratos told Lancaster's WKYT. "I personally didn’t know. That was rough. It’s emotional. It’s hard to talk about. You hope to never hear anything like that. It’s pretty gruesome.”

Chilling new details emerge in Savannah Spurlock case
 
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