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any idea if this is moving to trial?
 
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A pretrial conference for April 30th has been added to the court calendar
 
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That’s exactly why I was asking about a trial. Disappointed but not surprised another team took him
The willingness of another team to sign somebody charged with a likely felony level sex crime is disgusting.

It reminds me of the University of Alabama and basket ball a few seasons ago.

- Player is implicated in bringing a weapon on request to a friend, also a basketball player. The friend then uses the weapon to kill a woman (apparently had been trying to shoot another male he had an argument with, but hit woman instead).

- Player that brought the weapon on request is deceptive with police. States that he only brought the friend's car to the site, and was unaware of the weapon in it. But later investigation proves he obtained and brought the weapon as an individual item. He, however, cannot be charged under Alabama law (no connection to later shooting).

Surely, he would still be booted from Alabama's sacred team- right? Wrong!! March Madness is approaching- or maybe is even in full swing. The player in question is a rising star with NBA potential.

This guy is absolutely critical to Alabama's success in the play offs. Rumors fly that Alabama cannot win a key game with out him. Solution: He stays on the team for the play offs. The Victim? Totally meaningless when compared to March Madness.
 
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Do you have a link?
I cannot for the life of me get a link to properly link to his record. Here is the Kentucky court record lookup tool but if you search his name it will come up. After many attempts over the last few months, I realized a discrepancy in the spelling of his name between the court system and what’s been reported. Only once I searched “Jamairon Wilcox” as opposed to “Jamarion” did it come up. I’ll include a screenshot in case the search gives you trouble
 

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The willingness of another team to sign somebody charged with a likely felony level sex crime is disgusting.

It reminds me of the University of Alabama and basket ball a few seasons ago.

- Player is implicated in bringing a weapon on request to a friend, also a basketball player. The friend then uses the weapon to kill a woman (apparently had been trying to shoot another male he had an argument with, but hit woman instead).

- Player that brought the weapon on request is deceptive with police. States that he only brought the friend's car to the site, and was unaware of the weapon in it. But later investigation proves he obtained and brought the weapon as an individual item. He, however, cannot be charged under Alabama law (no connection to later shooting).

Surely, he would still be booted from Alabama's sacred team- right? Wrong!! March Madness is approaching- or maybe is even in full swing. The player in question is a rising star with NBA potential.

This guy is absolutely critical to Alabama's success in the play offs. Rumors fly that Alabama cannot win a key game with out him. Solution: He stays on the team for the play offs. The Victim? Totally meaningless when compared to March Madness.
This is common behavior for the school involved here, Marshall University. They signed a player a few years ago who had to transfer high schools due to sexual assault allegations and THEN was kicked off UVA’s team when he was accused of sexual assault again. Marshall signed him and I guess it was all fine since he was a big NFL draft pick for them. They also signed a player last year who was kicked out of NC State for the same thing.

Sadly, I think the only reason I’m genuinely shocked by this one is because it seems to be one of the rare cases actually approaching a trial. I don’t think many university code of conducts would allow a student to participate in athletics while on trial for sexual violence? And even if I’m mistaken, there’s a chance he never even plays a down of football for them if he’s convicted. It’s a morbid way to look at things but schools don’t often take these kind of risks (PR and otherwise) adding players unless they’re certain they will see the field so I’m quite surprised by this one.
 
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I don’t think many university code of conducts would allow a student to participate in athletics while on trial for sexual violence?
On paper, I think you are right. But in actuality, I think the core question is:

- What specific student athlete are we talking about?


My guess is that for super star athletes in the Big money sports of Football and Basketball, the answer is going to be:

- Just to verify.... player "P" is one of our football leading scorers and we are going into ohh so critical games? OK, lets go with "presumed innocent until proven guilty". He wont miss that many practices before the trial- right?
 
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And even if I’m mistaken, there’s a chance he never even plays a down of football for them if he’s convicted. It’s a morbid way to look at things but schools don’t often take these kind of risks (PR and otherwise) adding players unless they’re certain they will see the field so I’m quite surprised by this one.
The school maybe going with the statistics that most cases are eventually plea bargained. This could especially be so if the victim is reluctant to testify in a sexual assault case.

So (well, ideally from the school's perspective).... there is no trial. Rather, player "Sean Sax O'ssaulter" enters into a plea bargain. He then pleads guilty to misdemeanor assault and gets a suspended sentence.

Sure, Sean Sax O'ssaulter needs to stay out of trouble and complete the "No means NO!" class and the dreaded "Know when to say when" class. But.... with a suspended sentence, he can make each and every practice and play in each and every game- especially the upcoming "big one". Absolutely critical that he be on the field!
 
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The school maybe going with the statistics that most cases are eventually plea bargained. This could especially be so if the victim is reluctant to testify in a sexual assault case.

So (well, ideally from the school's perspective).... there is no trial. Rather, player "Sean Sax O'ssaulter" enters into a plea bargain. He then pleads guilty to misdemeanor assault and gets a suspended sentence.

Sure, Sean Sax O'ssaulter needs to stay out of trouble and complete the "No means NO!" class and the dreaded "Know when to say when" class. But.... with a suspended sentence, he can make each and every practice and play in each and every game- especially the upcoming "big one". Absolutely critical that he be on the field!
All very good points! I’ve worked in college football for nearly 15 years so I’ve seen plenty of gross behavior in order to get players on the field. Still though… I would have to sit and think if I remember another scenario where an FBS program ADDED a player awaiting a criminal trial. Typically those guys have to go JUCO or D2 for a year before other schools will touch them. And that’s even in cases of “just” Title IX investigations, student conduct violations for sexual assault and/or when players are dismissed from the team for sexual assault. There are instances of teams keeping the player on the team while the legal process plays out but adding a transfer with pending charges is a whole other level.

Like you said, it’s rare these cases make it trial but it’s also hard to even get formal charges brought. It’s not surprising in this case, given what the police report says, but most college football players don’t even get arrested for this stuff.

His transfer to Marshall seems to have largely flown under the radar which is really disappointing because this is egregious behavior, even by the laughable “standards” of college football.
 
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I would have to sit and think if I remember another scenario where an FBS program ADDED a player awaiting a criminal trial. Typically those guys have to go JUCO or D2 for a year before other schools will touch them.
Thanks for your detailed post. I now understand and see the difference as to what is usually "Beyond the Pale" regarding what schools are usually willing to do.

Your reference to JUCO as a form of D1 "rehabilitation" brings back memories. One of my daughters dated a guy in high school who loved playing football. As you probably saw many times as a coach, he was a player capable of more advanced play, but.... lacked the height / size for D1. He had D-3 offers, but could not afford to go.

Wanting to help him, I suggested that he enroll in his career interest of paramedic courses at a certain JUCO- then try out for the football team. I thought he would be a shoe in- right? After a year or two, he may have D2 offers and a scholarship.

BF enrolled and told me that the JUCO in the middle of the pine woods was packed with "rehabilitating" D1 guys. Very few, if any had sports performance issues. Rather, they were all academic failures, team / school discipline problems and likely other uhmm..... "undisclosed issues" of the more serious sort- wink, nod.

BF tried his absolute best and made the practice squad with the coach citing his height (disappointing again). There were so many D1 and D2 "rehabs" trying to get on that single JUCO team that they actually had a practice squad of sorts. I was stunned. I never would have imagined that a JUCO would have that kind of interest.

BF then ended up joining the Army as a combat medic.
 
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Thanks for your detailed post. I now understand and see the difference as to what is usually "Beyond the Pale" regarding what schools are usually willing to do.

Your reference to JUCO as a form of D1 "rehabilitation" brings back memories. One of my daughters dated a guy in high school who loved playing football. As you probably saw many times as a coach, he was a player capable of more advanced play, but.... lacked the height / size for D1. He had D-3 offers, but could not afford to go.

Wanting to help him, I suggested that he enroll in his career interest of paramedic courses at a certain JUCO- then try out for the football team. I thought he would be a shoe in- right? After a year or two, he may have D2 offers and a scholarship.

BF enrolled and told me that the JUCO in the middle of the pine woods was packed with "rehabilitating" D1 guys. Very few, if any had sports performance issues. Rather, they were all academic failures, team / school discipline problems and likely other uhmm..... "undisclosed issues" of the more serious sort- wink, nod.

BF tried his absolute best and made the practice squad with the coach citing his height (disappointing again). There were so many D1 and D2 "rehabs" trying to get on that single JUCO team that they actually had a practice squad of sorts. I was stunned. I never would have imagined that a JUCO would have that kind of interest.

BF then ended up joining the Army as a combat medic.
That’s so funny! Yeah the JUCO route is a huge thing in college football. Netflix made a documentary series a few years ago that featured a few different schools over the various seasons, called Last Chance U. It’s definitely worth watching at least an episode or two.

I will say, typically kids who move up to FBS programs from JUCOs are some of the best teammates and players to work with. There is no money at those schools so once they “make it” to a bigger program, they’re grateful for everything!
 

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