Kyron Horman Discussion Thread 2020 - 2022 - #2

[Vegan1234]

This is the problem with adding onto the story, it gets more and more unbelievable. Originally, Terri was supposed to have taken Kyron to school, sneak him out and made everyone think she left without him and the school lost him. Of course, that would have meant the school realized Kyron was gone the moment Terri left, so the fact that the teacher (Porter) had got the idea that Terri had taken Kyron to an appointment became a deliberate plan of Terri's to deceive Porter (this doesn't work with the witness statements we have, but that's another story).

But then Desiree adds to the story. In the Morris book she says Terri walked to her car with Kyron in front of witnesses, and that she had sent the teacher an email where she said Kyron would be absent on the 4th. And now she adds that not only did Terri promise to have Kyron back by 11, she even left a note on the teacher's desk that she took him to the appointment.

Several problems:
1. How could Terri possibly claim to have left Kyron in the school when apparently everyone and their grandma knew about and saw her leave with Kyron?
2. Why would the school expect Kyron to be gone all day if the teacher had it in writing that Kyron was supposed to be back at 11? Why would they not sound the alarm when Kyron didn't return at 11?
3. With all that info - in writing, multiple times, easily confirmable by the police and undeniable by Terri - how was Terri not arrested in 2010? Why was there ever any doubt how Kyron left the school?

And that's not all. Desiree says Terri took Kyron out of his group for a private tour - despite the fact that the groups didn't form until after 8:45, which is when Terri left. There were no groups before that - how could there be, when the buses hadn't even arrived until shortly before?

Desiree says Terri was trying to hurt Porter and the principal because Terri had applied for teacher at Skyline and the principal had given the job to Porter. Except Terri didn't reinstate her teaching licence until the winter of 2010. She couldn't have applied for Porter's position.

In the book Desiree claims Terri immediately washed Kyron's backpack and jacket - now she says Terri washed everything Kyron owned to prevent a scent sample - seriously?

By piling all this on, it just becomes completely unbelievable that any DA refused to charge her with anything - and not just the three that supervised Kyron's case. Desiree says Terri tried to murder her parents through arson as a teen - no charges. Desiree says Terri stabbed a man in California a few years ago - the DA didn't have the guts to charge her (what?) I almost expect that within a few months we'll hear about Terri handwriting and laminating a full confession and delivering it to the Multnomah County DA in a scented envelope only to have the spineless incumbent - trembling with fear and indecision - refuse to do anything.

Also what she says about James is not true at all. The Horman family still supports James despite a certain group trying to ruin his relationship with Kaine and his sister in which James had regular visits up until 2018 when “those who don’t care who they hurt” said he was sending pictures of Kitty to her. Which is not true. James loved Kaine like a dad and was the reason he joined the military.

 

[Vegan1234]

Desiree is a powerful speaker now. She has kept her promise to her little boy. Kyron Richard Horman, age 7. Fourteen years ago, she promised him she would never stop.

She gave a very effective presentation at the "True Crime Fest Northwest". I would even go so far as to say she was bold in releasing new details.

Sometimes, it's still the little things that get to me. If my adorable stepson went missing, I would never pile unfolded laundry on his bed. I would believe he was coming home any minute and would need his bed to be ready. It's one more thing that's very telling. (And Desiree was talking about that happening on the evening of June 4th).

Justice for Kyron! Terri is not a victim.

In my opinion.

How do you know Terri didn’t pile clothes on Kyrons bed because she was thinking he was coming home and he loved being a helper with her to fold laundry together? You don’t. She’s posted about it. Even before Kyron went missing. And as usual people like to add their own commentary that she is the evil step mom who made him help with chores.
There is no way that Desiree has more information from LE than Kaine does and their versions are completely polar opposite. Kaine and his family believe Kyron is alive and out there somewhere. They wouldn’t be saying that if anything of alleged pictures of Kyron on burner phones and some accidental immunity were told to him and that DeDe did the crime. Desiree’s own husband says in the book he doesn’t think DeDe is involved. Desiree’s states now her reasoning for dropping the civil case is because going forward any parent of a missing person would cause LE to no longer provide family any information and she couldn’t do that to other families. Well that’s exactly what she is doing now by going to these events claiming what she is saying is fact and blaming the DA. I do think it’s important her message about how LE should talk to family is valid but this sounds more like a Terri and DA smear campaign and if I was LE sitting in that audience I would take pause and probably hold back what I say to parents going forward in cases for this very reason. She also condones these stalkers using “peaceful protesting” as an excuse to video tape Terri and DeDe at their homes, calling their employers and just recently videotaping DeDe while she was in the ER? Is that ok? Not me in my IMO MOO. I pray this DA who claims to be on the up and up sets the records straight. If yet again nothing comes of this people seriously need to consider the “Terri supporters” might be right. There is no way with all of this alleged evidence that murderers are walking free. This is the 4th DA now on this case. Add that with the fact there are too many people posting that their tips went ignored. Including a law professor who found a bloody sock on a trail the first few days of Kyron going missing, before Terri even took any polygraph or this whole DeDe debacle and MCSO blew it off. Justice for Kyron!

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[Seattle1]

 

[arielilane]

I will always wonder where is Kyron Horman, until he's found.
He was such a precious sweet innocent child, gone too soon. jmo


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[Annabel-Lee]

Hi, I was just looking into this case off and on for a while now, and I was just wondering what the facts and lies are in this case.

I'm on the 'Terri didn't do it' side of the fence, because of the lack of concrete evidence got me swayed to her side. However, I'm not a diehard Terri supporter, so my opinion can change.

However, reading through this thread got me very confused, because I keep seeing people say that Terri lied and changed her story with no links to back it up, so I would like to see these links where she had lied and changed her story.

I also saw posts where it's stated that Terri was essentially an abusive mother to her sons and how Terri's own daughter apparently preferred Desiree over Terri. Please leave links so I can read them. I am aware of Terri's DUI.

Also, I am curious to see the links talking about the bloody sock and sweatshirt that some people found on hiking trails. Where did that info come from?

Please, do not quote Morrison's book at me because, in my opinion, it has misinformation. If the book says that the last day of school was on June 8th when it in fact was on June 15th or that Desiree claims that it was impossible for Terri to see Kyron because of a nonexistent wall blocking her view.

Yes, I am aware Desiree has insider info with the LE and I am not slandering Desiree, I'm just taking her info with a grain of salt, because IMO, she has every reason to loathe Terri with the burning passion of a thousand suns.

Thank you for your time.

 

[Gemmie]

Hi, I was just looking into this case off and on for a while now, and I was just wondering what the facts and lies are in this case.

I'm on the 'Terri didn't do it' side of the fence, because of the lack of concrete evidence got me swayed to her side. However, I'm not a diehard Terri supporter, so my opinion can change.

However, reading through this thread got me very confused, because I keep seeing people say that Terri lied and changed her story with no links to back it up, so I would like to see these links where she had lied and changed her story.

This case is so old I do not have links handy that show her saying one thing, and then turning around and saying another. I'm sure it's all here in the dozens of threads for this case, which is why posters are saying her info is changing. They've seen her say one thing, and then another.

With that said, Kaine himself, on national TV said her story "changed daily". I most definitely believe Kaine.

She would change her story daily, if not more than that, Kaine told Oprah. Every time you talked to her, it was a little bit different about what happened that day.

Kaine tells Oprah (Terri) 'would change her story daily'

Parents of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman appealed to millions of viewers on the Oprah Winfrey show Thursday at 4 p.m., more than 13 weeks into his disappearance.

www.kgw.com

I also saw posts where it's stated that Terri was essentially an abusive mother to her sons and how Terri's own daughter apparently preferred Desiree over Terri. Please leave links so I can read them. I am aware of Terri's DUI.

Also, I am curious to see the links talking about the bloody sock and sweatshirt that some people found on hiking trails. Where did that info come from?

I don't know about a sweatshirt, but here's a post about a bloody sock with a link to the source.

Thread '7/24/10 - Law professor finds bloody child sock on Black Butte & questions the system'

Jul 25, 2010

A bloody find on Black Butte and a broken system

On a recent Friday afternoon, I drove south out of Portland, headed for the soul-restoring Santiam Pass to my cabin on the Metolius River in Camp Sherman. It had been a busy workday, the day following our wedding anniversary, and the glorious Central Oregon night, with a huge moon and countless crystal stars in a clear sky, was all I'd hoped for.

Little did I know that in the next 24 hours, a routine morning hike and the discovery of a bloody sock on the trailhead would lead me into a...

• darlin gal
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• Forum: Kyron Horman

 

[Knox]

Hi, I was just looking into this case off and on for a while now, and I was just wondering what the facts and lies are in this case.

I'm on the 'Terri didn't do it' side of the fence, because of the lack of concrete evidence got me swayed to her side. However, I'm not a diehard Terri supporter, so my opinion can change.

However, reading through this thread got me very confused, because I keep seeing people say that Terri lied and changed her story with no links to back it up, so I would like to see these links where she had lied and changed her story.

I also saw posts where it's stated that Terri was essentially an abusive mother to her sons and how Terri's own daughter apparently preferred Desiree over Terri. Please leave links so I can read them. I am aware of Terri's DUI.

Also, I am curious to see the links talking about the bloody sock and sweatshirt that some people found on hiking trails. Where did that info come from?

Please, do not quote Morrison's book at me because, in my opinion, it has misinformation. If the book says that the last day of school was on June 8th when it in fact was on June 15th or that Desiree claims that it was impossible for Terri to see Kyron because of a nonexistent wall blocking her view.

Yes, I am aware Desiree has insider info with the LE and I am not slandering Desiree, I'm just taking her info with a grain of salt, because IMO, she has every reason to loathe Terri with the burning passion of a thousand suns.

Thank you for your time.

Perhaps if you linked or quoted specific posts you are seeking information for, it would be easier for WSer’s to respond back to you.

 

[Annabel-Lee]

Another person found a bloody children’s sweater in October 2010 and zero response from anyone. How does LE know the perpetrator had Kyron change? And still why would LE not collect these items even if they didn’t think they belonged to Kyron. There are so many missing children in Oregon. DNA could have been possibly matched to someone. And now we’ll never know.

My bad, it was a sweater. The above quote was page 24.

This case is so old I do not have links handy that show her saying one thing, and then turning around and saying another. I'm sure it's all here in the dozens of threads for this case, which is why posters are saying her info is changing. They've seen her say one thing, and then another.

With that said, Kaine himself, on national TV said her story "changed daily". I most definitely believe Kaine.

She would change her story daily, if not more than that, Kaine told Oprah. Every time you talked to her, it was a little bit different about what happened that day.

Kaine tells Oprah (Terri) 'would change her story daily'

Parents of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman appealed to millions of viewers on the Oprah Winfrey show Thursday at 4 p.m., more than 13 weeks into his disappearance.

www.kgw.com

I don't know about a sweatshirt, but here's a post about a bloody sock with a link to the source.

Thread '7/24/10 - Law professor finds bloody child sock on Black Butte & questions the system'

Jul 25, 2010

A bloody find on Black Butte and a broken system

On a recent Friday afternoon, I drove south out of Portland, headed for the soul-restoring Santiam Pass to my cabin on the Metolius River in Camp Sherman. It had been a busy workday, the day following our wedding anniversary, and the glorious Central Oregon night, with a huge moon and countless crystal stars in a clear sky, was all I'd hoped for.

Little did I know that in the next 24 hours, a routine morning hike and the discovery of a bloody sock on the trailhead would lead me into a...

• darlin gal
• Replies: 115
• Forum: Kyron Horman

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

I do wish Kaine gave an example on how the story changed like what she said that made him suspicious, but it probably would've been difficult to keep track of what she changed daily and repeatedly, like he says.

I wonder if Terri was trying to remember the place that she went to the day Kyron disappeared, because I do it find it weird that she said she passed by the dry cleaners because of a long line which didn't happen, but a worker that Terri actually came in with some shirts. Strange thing to lie about. Unless she got the days mixed up because of Kyron going missing.

I remember watching a Danelle Hallan video on Kaylee Sawyer, where the boyfriend kept adding to the story of that night when Kaylee disappeared, making him seem more and more suspicious to Kaylee's family, before it turned out that it was Edwin Lara, so it could've been like that, but I'm not too sure. It's all speculation on my end.

 

[Annabel-Lee]

I am trying to find information from these quotes:

On page 24, I saw this quote:

Kyron was suffering under his stepmother. <modsnip - mischaracterization>
This imo, was done by a sickophant step parent, who lied repeatedly. And has more mental health and soul-sickness than can be covered here.
Every logical and legal step points there.

Where did this 'Kyron was suffering under Terri" idea come from? Where did this information come from? Please don't say Desiree's book, because again, I feel like Desiree has all the reason to paint Terri a certain way, and I'm pretty sure that Terri is an unlikable person.

Here's another quote on page 23 by a different person:

I really dislike her. She was unkind to Kyron and that is just a fact, and it's a very important fact..maybe the most important fact because it is a window into what was actually happening in that household. She was lying about his behavior and punishing him for made up reasons. The punishment was always banishment to his room and this enabled her to neglect him and shame him to his father. Let's get this to a grand jury. let's see what common sense dictates. mOO

Who said that Terri was unkind to Kyron? I get that there are emails supposedly detailing that Terri hated Kyron, Desiree says one thing, while Kaine says differently, which I find frustrating because we never saw any of these emails.

Maybe Terri was venting her frustration about Kyron, but Desiree took it as hatred? That's my speculation.

I saw this quote on page 21:

And then tried to hire-hit her husband and step-child's father... really, common sense, facts, truth and logic here. What makes it really sickening is the level of planning that took place in her mind. To kill a child. Beyond disturbing.

I could've sworn that the hire hit placed on Kaine was debunked because the landscaper spoke Spanish and little English while Terri spoke English and little Spanish, so it would've been hard for her to place a hit on Kaine.

Also, on page 21 there's this quote:

We dislike that a little boy, who cried at having to live with Terri, disappeared on her watch.

I'm not doubting that he disappeared on Terri's watch, but who said it and where does it say that Kyron cried at the thought of living with Terri?

There's also on page 9 about a talent show that Desiree says that he originally wasn't a part of and now he was. I'm just wondering what Kaine has to say about this talent show. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I saw somewhere the talent show wasn't Kyron's scene, so he wasn't a part of the talent show.

On page 15 there's this quote:

Terri showed meanness to Kyron. She punished him for made up reasons so he would be in his room and out of her way.
She wasn't someone I would call a good step mother...more of a resentful stepmother who is a liar and tells the father lies about his child.

Without quoting the book, where is it that shows Terri being mean to Kyron?

Also, on page 15, it says that Terri lied about Kyron having a doctor's appointment, but I thought it was a real established fact that Kyron actually did have a doctor's appointment scheduled for the 11th. So, was there a doctor's appointment or not?

 

[FergusMcDuck]

My bad, it was a sweater. The above quote was page 24.


Thanks for taking the time to reply.

I do wish Kaine gave an example on how the story changed like what she said that made him suspicious, but it probably would've been difficult to keep track of what she changed daily and repeatedly, like he says.

I don't know. I've seen clips where he tells a reporter that the place they were standing is where Terri said she last saw Kyron (which matches direct statements from Terri), but adds that this was a thing she changed - again, without any kind of details of what changed and how. I'm always suspicious when a lie is postulated based on the difference between something said by A and something else B claims A said, and I'm doubly so when B won't even say what A said, just that it was different from what A's other statement. People misunderstand, people misspeak, information gets garbled when moving from person to person.

Take the staircase. Based on what Terri has said (on Dr Phil), she ascended the staircase by the gym to reach the 2nd floor hallway, and that she then saw Kyron last from the top of the staircase by the offices (this is the staircase Kyron ascended). I think it's fair to say that if you tell this to someone ("I climbed the stairs by the gym to get to the 2nd floor hallway, and that is where I last saw Kyron. I was standing at the top of the stairs at the time.") with everything perfectly clear in your mind, they will interpret the staircases as the same one. So when Terri is confronted with this ("There's a door between the top of the gym stairs and the hallway, so how could you see him?") an explanation will invariably sound like she's changing her story ("No, I walked out the door, walked to where the office staircase is, and that's where I last saw Kyron") when she really isn't.

I wonder if Terri was trying to remember the place that she went to the day Kyron disappeared, because I do it find it weird that she said she passed by the dry cleaners because of a long line which didn't happen, but a worker that Terri actually came in with some shirts. Strange thing to lie about. Unless she got the days mixed up because of Kyron going missing.

Terri has never said anything about a line at the dry cleaners. All that comes from Desiree, who also claimed (in the Morris book) that the dry cleaners hadn't seen Terri coming in - which we know is false. Considering Terri's lawyers were the ones who supoena'd the dry cleaner staff, I doubt Terri ever denied being in there.

I am trying to find information from these quotes:

On page 24, I saw this quote:

Where did this 'Kyron was suffering under Terri" idea come from? Where did this information come from? Please don't say Desiree's book, because again, I feel like Desiree has all the reason to paint Terri a certain way, and I'm pretty sure that Terri is an unlikable person.

Here's another quote on page 23 by a different person:


Who said that Terri was unkind to Kyron? I get that there are emails supposedly detailing that Terri hated Kyron, Desiree says one thing, while Kaine says differently, which I find frustrating because we never saw any of these emails.

Maybe Terri was venting her frustration about Kyron, but Desiree took it as hatred? That's my speculation.

Perhaps the most interesting thing in the Morris book is the revelation that the emails were between Terri and the stepmother of Desiree's other son, Q. The two were in regular contact since they cooperated in getting Kyron and Q to Desiree for their visits. The topic was apparently an incident where Terri had to talk to Kyron about bad touching, and the difficulty involved in stepparenting. We know Kaine and Terri had disagreements on discipline (here's Kaine's side). I think Desiree in general reacted very badly to anything negative about Kyron, so I very much doubt there was any actual hate in these emails - especially since Kaine, who also read them, said there wasn't (on dr Phil). A further point in that favor is that Desiree had an almost equally visceral reaction to the leaked emails - and we can read these and see that they are very innocuous.

I saw this quote on page 21:


I could've sworn that the hire hit placed on Kaine was debunked because the landscaper spoke Spanish and little English while Terri spoke English and little Spanish, so it would've been hard for her to place a hit on Kaine.

I think debunked is the wrong word to use here, unsubstantiated more like. I know that when the details emerged from the deposition of the landscaper, it made very little sense - this supposedly happened in a public restaurant, and Terri had her daughter with her. The language barrier was certainly there, as the landscaper needed an interpreter for his deposition.

Also, on page 21 there's this quote:


I'm not doubting that he disappeared on Terri's watch, but who said it and where does it say that Kyron cried at the thought of living with Terri?

Desiree claimed on multiple occasions that Kyron cried when he was going to go back to Kaine and Terri - nothing about Terri in particular that I'm aware of. On Dr Phil, Kaine countered her, saying that Kyron would also cry when he was going to Desiree. It seems, despite the best efforts of everyone, Kyron had problems adjusting to the split family life.

There's also on page 9 about a talent show that Desiree says that he originally wasn't a part of and now he was. I'm just wondering what Kaine has to say about this talent show. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I saw somewhere the talent show wasn't Kyron's scene, so he wasn't a part of the talent show.

Desiree has gone back and forth on this - first he wasn't, now he was. At the time, neither Kaine nor Desiree claimed to be aware of Kyron being in the talent show. However, at least two parents in the school mention that he was. Whatever the case was here, we don't know the whole of it. It's possible Kyron was just assisting a friend and didn't tell his parents about it.

On page 15 there's this quote:

Without quoting the book, where is it that shows Terri being mean to Kyron?

Also, on page 15, it says that Terri lied about Kyron having a doctor's appointment, but I thought it was a real established fact that Kyron actually did have a doctor's appointment scheduled for the 11th. So, was there a doctor's appointment or not?

There has never been an official confirmation, but there has also never been an official denial. We simply don't know. I find it ludicrous that Terri would claim there was one if there wasn't - since she had to know she would have been found out immediately.

 

[noname77]

Hi, I was just looking into this case off and on for a while now, and I was just wondering what the facts and lies are in this case.

I'm on the 'Terri didn't do it' side of the fence

Hello Im also on that side of the fence.
I do have a question, so i hope none here get mad at me for asking, im not saying this happened just wondering.
Everyone knows he was at that school in the morning then he couldnt be found. Could he have left with someone that he knew from school. Im talking about someone that "works" at school but wasnt working that day but was there, like a sub or teacher assistant. Im not saying this is true its just a question i havent seen anyone ask. MOO

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Hello Im also on that side of the fence.
I do have a question, so i hope none here get mad at me for asking, im not saying this happened just wondering.
Everyone knows he was at that school in the morning then he couldnt be found. Could he have left with someone that he knew from school. Im talking about someone that "works" at school but wasnt working that day but was there, like a sub or teacher assistant. Im not saying this is true its just a question i havent seen anyone ask. MOO

Since we don't know who he left the school with, it's quite possible. The issue would be if others remembered seeing that person there, and if it can be confirmed said person left before 10:00.

 

[Annabel-Lee]

Hello Im also on that side of the fence.
I do have a question, so i hope none here get mad at me for asking, im not saying this happened just wondering.
Everyone knows he was at that school in the morning then he couldnt be found. Could he have left with someone that he knew from school. Im talking about someone that "works" at school but wasnt working that day but was there, like a sub or teacher assistant. Im not saying this is true its just a question i havent seen anyone ask. MOO

That's a good question. I have seen some speculation that Kyron might have been groomed from someone inside the building and left with them, due to him frequently wandering off, going to the restroom without permission, and bedwetting.

I hope I'm not overstepping anything, but I remembered a comment made on a Reddit post about Kyron Horman. I think Terri brought up the possible grooming and Kaine scoffed at it. However, I read a comment on Reddit that brought Kaine's brother, Kristian, being a p*do, which he had been arrested over in 2008.

Now that I think about it, maybe Kaine scoffed at the idea because he felt that Terri was insinuating that Kristian was abusing Kyron?

Here's some quotes from this article:

But a WW review of dozens of court documents paints a very different portrait. These documents reveal a family that has at times been divided by rocky divorce, suspicion and—in the case of one uncle—sex abuse.

However, in the article Kristian says this:

Police asked Kristian Horman what he was thinking about after the girl pulled away. He then revealed there was a history of abuse in the Horman family, court records show, and said his grandfather had abused him.

However, this article says:

"He was not in Oregon," said Donna Johnston, the family's longtime lawyer. "He was in Seattle. This incident has nothing to do with Kyron."

So, does anyone have any information on the grandfather, if Kristian is being truthful?

Is Kyron's grandfather alive? Do they have gatherings with the grandfather?

If Terri is being truthful in her email about Kyron being seen with a man chaperone, could it have been Kyron's grandfather? Kyron would've trusted his grandfather and went with him.

Does anyone at Skyline know what Kyron's grandfather looks like? So, to them it was just a stranger?

If the sighting of Kyron with a man near a truck is true, was it possible that Kyron saw his grandfather and went with him, but got killed to keep Kyron from speaking up about the grandfather possibly SA-ing him? If the grandfather was in contact with Terri and Kaine, who mentioned the science fair to him in emails? So, he saw his chance and he just got lucky that LE focused on Terri.

It's one thing to suspect your (ex)wife to kill your child, but it's a whole other ballgame when your own father kills your child.

This is just my theory, and it has no standing in anything other than what a SO said.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

That's a good question. I have seen some speculation that Kyron might have been groomed from someone inside the building and left with them, due to him frequently wandering off, going to the restroom without permission, and bedwetting.

I hope I'm not overstepping anything, but I remembered a comment made on a Reddit post about Kyron Horman. I think Terri brought up the possible grooming and Kaine scoffed at it. However, I read a comment on Reddit that brought Kaine's brother, Kristian, being a p*do, which he had been arrested over in 2008.

Now that I think about it, maybe Kaine scoffed at the idea because he felt that Terri was insinuating that Kristian was abusing Kyron?

Here's some quotes from this article:


However, in the article Kristian says this:


However, this article says:


So, does anyone have any information on the grandfather, if Kristian is being truthful?

Is Kyron's grandfather alive? Do they have gatherings with the grandfather?

If Terri is being truthful in her email about Kyron being seen with a man chaperone, could it have been Kyron's grandfather? Kyron would've trusted his grandfather and went with him.

Does anyone at Skyline know what Kyron's grandfather looks like? So, to them it was just a stranger?

If the sighting of Kyron with a man near a truck is true, was it possible that Kyron saw his grandfather and went with him, but got killed to keep Kyron from speaking up about the grandfather possibly SA-ing him? If the grandfather was in contact with Terri and Kaine, who mentioned the science fair to him in emails? So, he saw his chance and he just got lucky that LE focused on Terri.

It's one thing to suspect your (ex)wife to kill your child, but it's a whole other ballgame when your own father kills your child.

This is just my theory, and it has no standing in anything other than what a SO said.

Just a point, Kristian accused his grandfather. That would be Kyron's great-grandfather, not his grandfather. I know Kyron's grandfather - Kristian's father - was a regular presence in Kyron's life, but he has never to my knowledge been accused of anything.

 

[Annabel-Lee]

Just a point, Kristian accused his grandfather. That would be Kyron's great-grandfather, not his grandfather. I know Kyron's grandfather - Kristian's father - was a regular presence in Kyron's life, but he has never to my knowledge been accused of anything.

My mistake on the familial part.

Again, it was an alternate theory with nothing to go off of other than speculation.

 

[ReadySet]

IMO Terri is responsible for disappearing Kyron.

In case some want me to justify that, I will not be doing that at this time. Some of us have followed the case from the beginning, read all the articles, opinions, and even the legal paperwork. It has been rehashed over and over and over here on WS, IMO don't feel I have to justify my opinion. I have made numerous posts already having done so.

TERRI IS RESPONSIBLE FOR KYRON BEING MISSING. SHE KNOWS. And IMO she will be arrested and charged. She's living on borrowed time.

JMO

 

[Knox]

IMO Terri is responsible for disappearing Kyron.

In case some want me to justify that, I will not be doing that at this time. Some of us have followed the case from the beginning, read all the articles, opinions, and even the legal paperwork. It has been rehashed over and over and over here on WS, IMO don't feel I have to justify my opinion. I have made numerous posts already having done so.

TERRI IS RESPONSIBLE FOR KYRON BEING MISSING. SHE KNOWS. And IMO she will be arrested and charged. She's living on borrowed time.

JMO

I agree with your stance 100%. I’m weary of the same old arguments being restated over and over. There are two distinct camps here whose views are very different. Ultimately it boils down to having one bite at the apple.

To me it’s clear Terri is responsible, but I’m done debating it. It upsets me greatly when Desiree is accused of distorting the truth. She is a victim here, Terri is not.

 

[Annabel-Lee]

I agree with your stance 100%. I’m weary of the same old arguments being restated over and over. There are two distinct camps here whose views are very different. Ultimately it boils down to having one bite at the apple.

To me it’s clear Terri is responsible, but I’m done debating it. It upsets me greatly when Desiree is accused of distorting the truth. She is a victim here, Terri is not.

I'm not saying that Desiree is distorting the truth, but she kind of is guilty of spreading some misinformation, like the whole nonexistent wall blocking Terri's view of Kyron (claiming that she is still right) or the layout of the school when she never stepped foot inside of the building or how she keeps claiming that Terri went to the gym at 12:20 when the gym had written down that Terri was there at 11:39.

 

[Leve]

I'm not saying that Desiree is distorting the truth, but she kind of is guilty of spreading some misinformation, like the whole nonexistent wall blocking Terri's view of Kyron (claiming that she is still right) or the layout of the school when she never stepped foot inside of the building or how she keeps claiming that Terri went to the gym at 12:20 when the gym had written down that Terri was there at 11:39.

I'll take the criticism. I don't think Desiree or her book are credible sources. If that is the only source of a piece of information, I will completely disregard it as being unverified.

 

[minazoe]

Desiree is a victim who lost her son to some vicious psychopath who probably murdered Kyron and hid his remains where they won't ever be found. She is not lying about Terri. Other victims of Terri are not lying. She has a track record of bad deeds. Everything I said about Terri is well known and well published. There is very little anything that can truly clear her. mOO