Kyron Horman Discussion Thread 2020 - 2022

[ReadySet]

Terri, where is Kyron?

 

[Knox]

That's an assumption on your part; not fact.

Perhaps it failed because she is innocent of this allegation? Therefore the "plethora" of evidence is actually a bunch of assumptions of "guilt", not factual evidence of guilt.

As for custody battles … it's ironic that pulling out of a fight for custody is indicative of monstrous motherhood and ability to raise a child by some in this case. There's others here who didn't fight for custody of their child when their medical issues were dealt with. That does not make Desiree a bad mother or monstrous in any way, shape or form. There's always two sides to the story and, in Terri's case, we have zero idea why her lawyer advised he to pull out of that battle (perhaps he thought LE was trying to "situate their estimate" (that's a saying we used in the military when we think someone is trying to make things happen to get the result they desire instead of the result that should be were it based on facts]).

None of the assertions you've made are any more "factual" than your fellow posters. Your "opinion" is something that is to be valued here at WS.

Now as we love to say round heah, I'll just scroll and roll

 

[Truth Prevails]

And an indication of possible innocence would be the fact that Terri herself disclosed this. It's also a fact that LE often lie about results to some takers and the fact that there's a reason they are NOT allowed in court as being unreliable. There are many instances in the legal system where persons investigated failed lie detectors (such as due to emotional stress etc, which in this case is not unfathomable) but turned out to be innocent. Not a single Official LE source has confirmed whether or not she actually did fail her tests. A possible indication that perhaps she actually did not is the fact that they were run on multiple occasions, even so she did walk out n the one, there were still multiples. Is that possibly because investigators weren't getting the result they wanted? Why is it that their unreliability and witnessed error rates not being considered by some of you?


Again, as per my above, Terri herself disclosed her failures and not an official LE source nor has an official LE source confirmed Terri's "fails". If it's factual … then why haven't they?


Oh, so two teachers, because Kyron disappeared from his school and because his Mom was there that morning, assumed that he must have left with her. Much as many here are assuming. So, that's an assumption and not a fact.



So again, Mr. Houze has indicated for them to go through him. That hasn't happened.

Regarding the bold by me above--are you referring to Terri making the statement on the Dr. Phil show that she is deaf in one ear? As an indication of possible innocence? Now, this is simply my opinion, but I think perhaps it may have been more beneficial to tell law enforcement at the time they were administering any one of the three poly's, not years later on a TV show for money.

And used as an excuse at this point in time, it becomes feeble when coupled with her earlier statement that Kyron's teacher was deaf in one ear. Even though she changed who had the affliction to suit the circumstances, it's the same excuse used over and over again.

Sure, lie detector tests are not allowed in court as they would be seen as extremely influential to the jury, and therefore prejudicial to the defendant. Sadly a lot of really good evidence gets thrown out, or not allowed at trial, because we all must be so concerned about the defendant's rights. The victim who has been grievously harmed and can no longer speak for themselves, apparently has no rights at that time.

LE will never publicly confirm if a person passed or failed a lie detector test; it's SOP for them. Alas, in Kyron's case, we have the "word" straight from the person who failed.

Also, and I apologize for being repetitious, but with thanks to Terri, we know she failed when the questions became centered around "her involvement with taking Kyron from school that day". Law enforcement has the metadata file for the image of Kyron standing in front of his science fair project, and they probably had it at the time of all three polys. They already knew all her statements about when she last saw Kyron were lies--including touring the science fair projects after she took the picture; returning books Kyron had borrowed from the library after she took the picture; visiting Kyron's 1st grade teacher after she took the picture; the "game" she played letting Kyron "race" her to his homeroom using the front steps after the 8:45 am bell sounded after she took the picture; the "vision" she had of the back of Kyron's head at his classroom door as she stood at the steps by the south side entrance after she took the picture. All lies. And that was just the tip of the iceberg. They knew something was seriously wrong with her depiction of the events leading up to Kyron's disappearance; but they continued to give her chance, after chance, after chance to clear herself.

They didn't want to believe--as do none of us--that a step mother would so grievously partake in the disappearance of a fragile child who was under her care and control.

The teachers didn't assume Kyron left with Terri; they thought they saw them leaving together. There is quite a difference. How can one prove what they believe they saw? It's pretty tough, and regarded as circumstantial evidence at best. But as there are two separate individuals who believe they witnessed Terri's departure with Kyron and the baby, perhaps from different vantage points; coupled with all the other evidence collected by law enforcement, it becomes compelling.

So, if I'm understanding it correctly, to now re-interview Terri, law enforcement has to contact Mr. Houze for his authorization. If he chooses authorization, he contacts Terri for her consent. Does anyone believe Mr. Houze would advise Terri to consent? I, for one, do not. Even Terri's loving and generous parents believed there was a 50% chance she would be arrested. That's why they mortgaged their home to pay for Mr. Houze, isn't it? (While Terri was texting photos of her naked breasts and describing the state of her arousal to a childhood friend of her then husband--and this behavior, occurring a mere two weeks after Kyron's disappearance, was described by LE as a modus operandi used previously by Terri).

In any event, what more could law enforcement gain from yet one more interview? More lies?

They already have everything they need. They have had enough probable cause for an arrest since about two weeks into Kyron's case. As Kaine said: "I think we know. We all do".

It's not law enforcement who failed Kyron. I think we need to look at the District's Attorney's office.

Sorry for the length of this.

 

[Truth Prevails]

There's always two sides to the story and, in Terri's case, we have zero idea why her lawyer advised he to pull out of that battle (perhaps he thought LE was trying to "situate their estimate" (that's a saying we used in the military when we think someone is trying to make things happen to get the result they desire instead of the result that should be were it based on facts]).

Respectfully snipped by me--I believe there are three sides to every story--yours, mine, and the truth. You know?

But I love the reference to the military saying "situate their estimate." Interesting.

 

[kay74]

Regarding the bold by me above--are you referring to Terri making the statement on the Dr. Phil show that she is deaf in one ear? As an indication of possible innocence? Now, this is simply my opinion, but I think perhaps it may have been more beneficial to tell law enforcement at the time they were administering any one of the three poly's, not years later on a TV show for money.

And used as an excuse at this point in time, it becomes feeble when coupled with her earlier statement that Kyron's teacher was deaf in one ear. Even though she changed who had the affliction to suit the circumstances, it's the same excuse used over and over again.

Sure, lie detector tests are not allowed in court as they would be seen as extremely influential to the jury, and therefore prejudicial to the defendant. Sadly a lot of really good evidence gets thrown out, or not allowed at trial, because we all must be so concerned about the defendant's rights. The victim who has been grievously harmed and can no longer speak for themselves, apparently has no rights at that time.

LE will never publicly confirm if a person passed or failed a lie detector test; it's SOP for them. Alas, in Kyron's case, we have the "word" straight from the person who failed.

Also, and I apologize for being repetitious, but with thanks to Terri, we know she failed when the questions became centered around "her involvement with taking Kyron from school that day". Law enforcement has the metadata file for the image of Kyron standing in front of his science fair project, and they probably had it at the time of all three polys. They already knew all her statements about when she last saw Kyron were lies--including touring the science fair projects after she took the picture; returning books Kyron had borrowed from the library after she took the picture; visiting Kyron's 1st grade teacher after she took the picture; the "game" she played letting Kyron "race" her to his homeroom using the front steps after the 8:45 am bell sounded after she took the picture; the "vision" she had of the back of Kyron's head at his classroom door as she stood at the steps by the south side entrance after she took the picture. All lies. And that was just the tip of the iceberg. They knew something was seriously wrong with her depiction of the events leading up to Kyron's disappearance; but they continued to give her chance, after chance, after chance to clear herself.

They didn't want to believe--as do none of us--that a step mother would so grievously partake in the disappearance of a fragile child who was under her care and control.

The teachers didn't assume Kyron left with Terri; they thought they saw them leaving together. There is quite a difference. How can one prove what they believe they saw? It's pretty tough, and regarded as circumstantial evidence at best. But as there are two separate individuals who believe they witnessed Terri's departure with Kyron and the baby, perhaps from different vantage points; coupled with all the other evidence collected by law enforcement, it becomes compelling.

So, if I'm understanding it correctly, to now re-interview Terri, law enforcement has to contact Mr. Houze for his authorization. If he chooses authorization, he contacts Terri for her consent. Does anyone believe Mr. Houze would advise Terri to consent? I, for one, do not. Even Terri's loving and generous parents believed there was a 50% chance she would be arrested. That's why they mortgaged their home to pay for Mr. Houze, isn't it? (While Terri was texting photos of her naked breasts and describing the state of her arousal to a childhood friend of her then husband--and this behavior, occurring a mere two weeks after Kyron's disappearance, was described by LE as a modus operandi used previously by Terri).

In any event, what more could law enforcement gain from yet one more interview? More lies?

They already have everything they need. They have had enough probable cause for an arrest since about two weeks into Kyron's case. As Kaine said: "I think we know. We all do".

It's not law enforcement who failed Kyron. I think we need to look at the District's Attorney's office.

Sorry for the length of this.

BBM: So sad.

 

[ReadySet]

Excellent post!

Regarding the bold by me above--are you referring to Terri making the statement on the Dr. Phil show that she is deaf in one ear? As an indication of possible innocence? Now, this is simply my opinion, but I think perhaps it may have been more beneficial to tell law enforcement at the time they were administering any one of the three poly's, not years later on a TV show for money.

And used as an excuse at this point in time, it becomes feeble when coupled with her earlier statement that Kyron's teacher was deaf in one ear. Even though she changed who had the affliction to suit the circumstances, it's the same excuse used over and over again.

Sure, lie detector tests are not allowed in court as they would be seen as extremely influential to the jury, and therefore prejudicial to the defendant. Sadly a lot of really good evidence gets thrown out, or not allowed at trial, because we all must be so concerned about the defendant's rights. The victim who has been grievously harmed and can no longer speak for themselves, apparently has no rights at that time.

LE will never publicly confirm if a person passed or failed a lie detector test; it's SOP for them. Alas, in Kyron's case, we have the "word" straight from the person who failed.

Also, and I apologize for being repetitious, but with thanks to Terri, we know she failed when the questions became centered around "her involvement with taking Kyron from school that day". Law enforcement has the metadata file for the image of Kyron standing in front of his science fair project, and they probably had it at the time of all three polys. They already knew all her statements about when she last saw Kyron were lies--including touring the science fair projects after she took the picture; returning books Kyron had borrowed from the library after she took the picture; visiting Kyron's 1st grade teacher after she took the picture; the "game" she played letting Kyron "race" her to his homeroom using the front steps after the 8:45 am bell sounded after she took the picture; the "vision" she had of the back of Kyron's head at his classroom door as she stood at the steps by the south side entrance after she took the picture. All lies. And that was just the tip of the iceberg. They knew something was seriously wrong with her depiction of the events leading up to Kyron's disappearance; but they continued to give her chance, after chance, after chance to clear herself.

They didn't want to believe--as do none of us--that a step mother would so grievously partake in the disappearance of a fragile child who was under her care and control.

The teachers didn't assume Kyron left with Terri; they thought they saw them leaving together. There is quite a difference. How can one prove what they believe they saw? It's pretty tough, and regarded as circumstantial evidence at best. But as there are two separate individuals who believe they witnessed Terri's departure with Kyron and the baby, perhaps from different vantage points; coupled with all the other evidence collected by law enforcement, it becomes compelling.

So, if I'm understanding it correctly, to now re-interview Terri, law enforcement has to contact Mr. Houze for his authorization. If he chooses authorization, he contacts Terri for her consent. Does anyone believe Mr. Houze would advise Terri to consent? I, for one, do not. Even Terri's loving and generous parents believed there was a 50% chance she would be arrested. That's why they mortgaged their home to pay for Mr. Houze, isn't it? (While Terri was texting photos of her naked breasts and describing the state of her arousal to a childhood friend of her then husband--and this behavior, occurring a mere two weeks after Kyron's disappearance, was described by LE as a modus operandi used previously by Terri).

In any event, what more could law enforcement gain from yet one more interview? More lies?

They already have everything they need. They have had enough probable cause for an arrest since about two weeks into Kyron's case. As Kaine said: "I think we know. We all do".

It's not law enforcement who failed Kyron. I think we need to look at the District's Attorney's office.

Sorry for the length of this.

 

[Kittybunny]

Following the Gannon Stauch case, one cannot help but notice the similarities between Leticia Stauch and Terri Horman. The only difference is that Terri knew when to shut up, and she did a much better job of hiding Kyron. They are both cut from the same step-monster cloth, IMO.

 

[EllaMae]

It's not my research; I've been here since the beginning too. I could go back through everything to find it myself but that would be a total waste of time as it doesn't exist.

Rather, I asked you to provide the Official LE source for the critical bit of information you stated above as being factual vice your opinion. That's totally in keeping with Websleuths forum guidelines.

There's a whole lot of statements of "fact" being bandied about in Kyron's case ... that just aren't confirmed by offical LE sources. Or even Kaine as Kyron's official next of kin for legal and LE purposes.

It doesn't have to be an "official LE source" to be factual. And LE is not going to talk during an ongoing investigation in this case or any other case. Everybody knows that. The media is an acceptable source here.

We are discussing things we know about in this case, and again...the links have been posted many times. You are free to do your own research through the threads and find them. WS does not require us to re-post them a thousand times. There comes a point where many links don't work any longer in older cases, so posters just need to do their own reading through the threads, and not expect others to do it for them.

Desiree is very much a trustworthy source. As is Kaine. And Desiree is just as much an "official" next of kin as Kaine is because she is his biological mother. She has never been stripped of her legal rights as Kyron's mother, and she never gave them up. Kaine does not have any more rights legally than Desiree. Not having custody has nothing to do with not having legal parental rights. It's about living arrangements. She was very much a part of her son's life. That statement is just wrong in every way.

This back and forth is pointless, so I too am going to scroll on by from now on.

 

[EllaMae]

Following the Gannon Stauch case, one cannot help but notice the similarities between Leticia Stauch and Terri Horman. The only difference is that Terri knew when to shut up, and she did a much better job of hiding Kyron. They are both cut from the same step-monster cloth, IMO.

Yes! There are so many similarities. Terri planned a little better, and AFAIK she didn't have cameras catching her movements like Leticia Stauch did. I wish she had been caught on camera like that. She'd be in prison and Kyron's family would have some closure. LE does have the cell phone pings and other evidence but we just don't know what that evidence is yet.
I think Kyron is somewhere in the wooded areas that Terri drove through that morning while she has no alibi. And he may be in that recycling bin that disappeared from their porch.
I just don't believe he is still alive, although I would love to be wrong about that.

 

[Knox]

Recently (within the last year) I looked for and found TH's facebook page, I was surprised it was still up. Looked just a moment ago and could not find it. Anyone else?

 

[Oregonmama]

Kyron will always be on our minds....I'm local and taught at Skyline a long time ago. Very old school and many ways to get in and out. A lot of hiding places too. It's a creepy old school that got a makeover and security improvements after Kyron disappeared . So many side stories to this case that would make anyone's head spin! JMO

 

[Truth Prevails]

Recently (within the last year) I looked for and found TH's facebook page, I was surprised it was still up. Looked just a moment ago and could not find it. Anyone else?

If you are looking for a recent page, I'm wondering if you have tried her most recent married name?

I just tried the link I have for her Facebook page containing June 4, 2010 entries, and it still works. I know you are a much more experienced poster here at W/S than I am, so if you tell me it's okay to post it here, I'll add it for you if you want it.

 

[Knox]

If you are looking for a recent page, I'm wondering if you have tried her most recent married name?

I just tried the link I have for her Facebook page containing June 4, 2010 entries, and it still works. I know you are a much more experienced poster here at W/S than I am, so if you tell me it's okay to post it here, I'll add it for you if you want it.

Can you convo it to me please?

 

[Knox]

Kyron will always be on our minds....I'm local and taught at Skyline a long time ago. Very old school and many ways to get in and out. A lot of hiding places too. It's a creepy old school that got a makeover and security improvements after Kyron disappeared . So many side stories to this case that would make anyone's head spin! JMO

I'd like to hear the side stories if within TOS!

 

[kay74]

I'd like to hear the side stories if within TOS!

Me too!

 

[ekardh]

Sorry, I think I've asked this before and had it answered, but in her emails Terri said that Kyron was last seen with a male chaperone. Apparently, someone at the school informed Terri about this. Has Terri ever named the informant? I think it's utter bullcrap that she was using to deflect any suspicion on her but still.

 

[Vern]

Sorry, I think I've asked this before and had it answered, but in her emails Terri said that Kyron was last seen with a male chaperone. Apparently, someone at the school informed Terri about this. Has Terri ever named the informant? I think it's utter bullcrap that she was using to deflect any suspicion on her but still.

Her lawyer:

An attorney for Terri Horman, the stepmother of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman, said he can prove she was not the last person to see Kyron at Skyline School in northwest Portland on the day he disappeared.
…
"It's not true," Houze said of the claims Terri Horman was the last person to see Kyron that day. "We have witnesses who will say, in fact, they know facts first-hand that demonstrate that is not true."

Attorney: Terri Horman wasn't last person to see Kyron

 

[EllaMae]

Her lawyer:


Attorney: Terri Horman wasn't last person to see Kyron

She's contradicted herself on that.
And LE interviewed Kyron's classmates and students at the school.
So there's nothing to any of those claims except a lawyer throwing stuff out to see what sticks.

 

[kay74]

This sweet little boy did not vanish into thin air. I say pray for an answer.

 

[EllaMae]

Sorry, I think I've asked this before and had it answered, but in her emails Terri said that Kyron was last seen with a male chaperone. Apparently, someone at the school informed Terri about this. Has Terri ever named the informant? I think it's utter bullcrap that she was using to deflect any suspicion on her but still.

IIRC.....that happened on the day before during the science fair. On the day he disappeared I'm pretty sure Kyron left the science fair with Terri and the baby. Terri claims she walked him to the hallway where his room was located and watched him walk down the hall towards his classroom...all alone.

I just rewatched it.....and all through the interview she blames everyone else for everything. She makes herself out as the constant victim. She gets in little digs in at Kyron's teacher and claims she was never told the actual date of the science fair and she thought it was on Friday instead of Thursday. If that was true why did she tell Kaine she needed to use the truck to take the exhibit home? I think she's lying about that....among other things.