Yes, but there is a huge difference between recklessness (driving drunk) and actual malice (kidnapping and murdering her own child). Doing one thing does not indicate propensity for the other. It's not a gauge that if you fill it up with enough Does Bad Things it crosses the line into Capable of Murder.
Just a reminder, Kyron was her step-child. And if even only half the things we hear are true, he was a step-child that she came to deeply resent--at the least.
She was charged and convicted of driving under the influence and reckless child endangerment. She had her biological son with her and IIRC he was around 11-years-of-age.
I believe what we choose to do with our time is a gauge of who we are. We can change our course, though, we all have that choice.
I think you might be surprised as to who is capable of murder.
If (from before she became a suspect) there were accounts of her hurting children? Even torturing or killing small animals? That would be relevant.
But how would we know? Her parents aren't telling. Kaine? He couldn't even see the psychological harm Terri was causing Kyron when they all lived under the same roof.
And yet none of these events either occurred or were "revealed" (that second murder-for-hire plot is even more dubious than the first) until after the kidnapping. Instead of saying three weeks after Kyron's disappearance, why don't we say shortly after she was confronted with a failed sting operation, and then Kaine abandoned her and took her child with him. I don't find it strange in the slightest that Terri unravelled at that point.
For one thing, this thread is about the 2010 disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Richard Horman. It's not about the step-mom and her hurt feelings.
When Kaine abandoned her? And took her child? Kaine "abandoned" her when law enforcement showed him what they had on the murder-for-hire plot. If he ever did a smart thing in his life, it was at that moment. How does the line in the poem by Maya Angelou go? "When people show you who they are the first time believe them." It may not have been the first time that she showed Kaine who she was, but I believe it was the first time that he took notice.
I think she learned the hard way that the baby was also Kaine's child.
She didn't unravel too much. She convinced her elderly parents to mortgage their home so she could snag herself a pretty fine atty. And she enjoyed boasting about it over cocktails and sex.
Also, prior to Kyron's disappearance, wasn't she planning on divorcing Kaine and taking the baby?
It's her baby! Wasn't the idea that she didn't fight for her baby, and that showed she was guilty?
Oh, my. No one meant that she should kidnap the baby. We hoped she would take the necessary court-ordered steps so that she would be able to be a part of her daughter's life.
Also, more events that postdate her life collapsing around her, with her unable to do anything about it. Was she even convicted of any of the California incidents?
I believe I called them "newsworthy" events. They were all covered by MSM.
Or it shows a woman who has had her family destroyed, one child kidnapped, the other taken by the father. Being painted a villain in front of the whole world by law enforcement and media, and being unable to defend herself. LE dangling suspicion over her for a decade without actually charging her, while letting Kaine and Desiree slander her from here to tomorrow. Having all her dirty laundry aired for the world to see, and harassed at home and at work by Desiree, Desiree's husband's cop buddies and her disturbed social media followers.
Here we are with Terri, the poor misunderstood victim, again.
The only victim here is 7-year-old Kyron Richard Horman. Where is he? What happened to him?
But whatever issues she had when she uprooted to California hasn't seemed to continue. Perhaps she has found some measurement of peace.
Perhaps. Time will tell. This is her fourth husband, I think.
So the idea that the photo was taken at 8:45, and that several witnesses saw them walk out of the school together both come from Desiree, claims she only began to make years later. I have never seen anyone else confirm them, and the former is pretty obviously false. There has also never been confirmation that Terri's car was parked on the access road.
Desiree is not making it up. No how, no way.
Who knows? But it's yet another aspect that fits her story but not the police's (remember, they thought the ping placed her on the island itself).
Yeah, but I think that had more to do with budgets and funding and appeasing the populace with physical searches. Law enforcement had to know a radius was involved. And it took them a couple of years, but they did get around to searching the whole area.
Just going from memory here, but I think Newberry Road is about 6 miles from the tower where her phone pinged. And I believe I read somewhere that they triangulated it and came to the conclusion she was about one mile from the tower. (I don't think they said north, south, east, or west). So, if she thinks she was parked on Newberry Road changing a diaper, I think her phone would ping a different tower. But it's hard to say because she was driving at least some of the time and a cell phone doesn't always use the nearest tower. Question: Did she even admit she was in that area before the ping evidence and the witness sighting emerged? I don't think we know the answer to that.
The words "I wonder if something was going on at the time that might distract her from perfectly remembering every single detail that she no doubt had not seen any reason to memorize" come to my mind. Still, astonishingly, every provable detail she provided to the police was proved.
It's not about memorizing. Or if it is our brains do it automatically. But, as normal average human beings, we have the ability to know where we are, and where we were. The only time we don't is when our brains are riddled with Alzheimer's. And that's not the case, so where was she?
I honestly don't know how to make it more clear. Unless there are witnesses that come forward, driving on rural roads where there are no CCTV cameras or stores that can provide receipts, means she can't do anything to prove exactly where she was. It's not as if she had a destination in mind either; her focus was on calming her daughter. It didn't matter if it was Old Germantown Road or Skyline Boulevard or Newberry Road.
Witnesses can come forward and say they saw her. She can't control that. She can't ensure every single place she visited that morning was surveilled.
It's not a matter of "won't".
I think I'm receiving your message loud and clear, but we disagree. Maybe I can be clearer here: my understanding is she simply told law enforcement she was driving on rural roads in that area. Why so vague? Why won't she commit to at least one road with a name? She was operating a motor vehicle; she had to have had her eyes on the road occasionally. She could not have been wholly focused on the baby.
No reason to believe it was concealed, partially or not.
I'm not trying to be argumentive, but I believe there is more reason to believe it than not to believe it.
The half-mile between the school and the highway? That goes through an open landscape with farms and houses fully in view? That's where she did her clandestine deed?
No, that was a bad choice of words on my part. Sorry. I should have said, "when she pulled out onto the paved road in front of the school, driving the F250 ... "
I think the clandestine deed was done when the vehicle was partially hidden from sight. There would be a window of privacy there. She was familiar enough with the area to recognize it.
It didn't. It wasn't on the access road.
So you say.
It's not a matter of wanting everyone to believe. She left the school just before nine. At ten Kyron was marked as absent by his teacher. Whatever happened, had to have happened in that time.
But Kyron left the school right after the 8:45 am bell with his stepmother and baby sister. She didn't even bring his coat, and it was a cold, rainy day.
How do you know they were strange? Has the police released the CCTV images? Even if the lots were empty, parking further from the store is hardly strange if you're driving a larger vehicle than usual.
And why was she driving a "larger vehicle than usual" that day? It wasn't to bring home Kyron's diorama because that didn't have to come home for another week. But that was the reason she gave Kaine for switching vehicles that day. That day was June 4th, the day her 7-year-old step-son disappeared.
That is not a coincidence.
I don't believe law enforcement released the actual CCTV images. What they did release were images facing the store, taken from where the vehicle was parked at each Fred Meyer. I haven't seen them in a while, but they should be still around.
At the time, we didn't know they were taken from the parking spot of the F250 and I believe LE was asking for anyone from the public to come forward if they had seen Kaine's truck parked in that vicinity. And I just thought the parking spot wasn't clear. I found it strange. MOO
She would have had no time or opportunity to do that.
Of course she did.
The gym is more than 10 minutes driving distance from the farm and 11:39 is the sign in time, not the arrival time. I wouldn't call that within time range.
Yeah, Google maps say the driving time is about 15-minutes. However, I don't think anyone was standing there with a stopwatch recording DeDe's leave time. 11:20 am, 11:25 am? About 11:30 am?
I'm not all that convinced that 11:39 am is the correct time. And now you're saying it's the sign-in time, not the arrival time. LOL, I think you protest too much.
I really don't see how.
8:45 am, she leaves the school with the baby.
And Kyron
9-10 minutes drive down to Hillsboro on highway 27, through mostly open landscapes with no time or place to hurt Kyron.
It could have already been done, or Kyron could have been handed off. (Either could have occurred while the vehicle was in the blind at the school).
9:12 am, she gets a receipt at the first Fred Meyer. She's had ca 10-15 minutes in the store.
10 minutes drive to second Fred Meyer, within an urban area.
9:30-10:00 am, CCTV and eyewitnesses place her at second Fred Meyer and dry cleaner.
6 minutes drive to Michael's craft store, within an urban area.
10:10 am, she's at Michael's, last time given by LE.
I mostly agree with these times. Maybe I would shave off a couple of minutes here and add a couple of minutes there, but it's not much different. And I think we forgot the coffee stop.
Those margins are razor thin, and she's moving entirely through habitated areas, first open farmland with plenty of houses, then the urban areas of Hillsboro and Beaverton. There simply isn't any time or place that she could have performed the deed.
But she parks way, way back at both Fred Meyer locations in such a way that only her and the baby are caught on camera. That is not a coincidence, nor is it because she was unfamiliar with Kaine's F250, IMO. There had to be a reason. Someone entering or exiting the truck that she didn't want to be seen with; or someone dropping something off--a shovel, or something? Someone removing something from the truck to help her dispose of evidence? Who knows? I don't. But there was a reason.
And then, after turning herself inside out to create this part of her timeline, she develops sudden- onslaught but short-term Alzheimer's disease. For 90-minutes she drives around on roads she can't remember.
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