Kyron Horman General Discussion thread 2023 - 2026

[FergusMcDuck]

Please provide a working link to support your statement. Thank you.

Sure.

 

[minazoe]

Snipped Quote: Finster said Horman had told Kyron's teacher the day before that she was taking the boy to the doctor on Friday, June 11, and gave the teacher paperwork to fill out related to the appointment.
Finster said that when Kyron didn't show up at the bus the afternoon of June 4, Horman talked to the teacher who said she thought that Horman had taken Kyron to the doctor that day. Horman told Finster that the child's teacher was new, in her first year of teaching, and was hard of hearing in one ear. "She doesn't know if she understood her," Finster said.

Friend: Terri Moulton Horman to take another polygraph in Kyron Horman's disappearance

Sheriff's captain says repeatedly that he can't comment on suspects or persons of interest in the case.

www.oregonlive.com

Snipped Quote: [Pg 59] The police also wanted to clear up the confusion about when attendance was taken. At 10 a.m. Kyron was marked absent by his teacher, Miss Porter. The school office was told it was an excused absence. That’s because Terri had sent the teacher an email days before saying she was taking him to a doctor’s appointment. That’s why his backpack and jacket were left in the classroom. He wouldn’t be gone all day. Later, Terri said it was all a mistake. It was the following Friday Kyron had a doctor’s appointment.

"Boy Missing · The Search for Kyron Horman" by Rebecca Morris
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[Pg 67] “I want you to tell Kaine… and the police… that Kyron has a doctor’s appointment next week.” [June 11, 2010]
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[Pg 68] “Kyron has a doctor’s appointment coming up. If the teacher hadn’t mixed up the dates, maybe someone would have realized Kyron was not at school.” Terri was creating a scenario whereby she was absolved of anything to do with his school day.

"Boy Missing · The Search for Kyron Horman" by Rebecca Morris​

oh but there was never an appointment on the books for Kyron on the following week, was there? mOO

 

[FergusMcDuck]

oh but there was never an appointment on the books for Kyron on the following week, was there? mOO

The police has never denied it, and Desiree has been a bit vague, but I would argue it's highly unlikely there wasn't. Why make up something you know will be disproven within seconds?

 

[Truth Prevails]

The adorable little boy talking about teddy bears, candy, and hope will not be Terri’s savior in a criminal court of law.

In June 2010, he was 8 years old. Not only was he confused and traumatized by Kyron’s absence, but his grandmother put words in his mouth. What his grandmother says he said cannot be used at trial for the truth of the matter. If he takes the stand and “remembers” what his grandmother said he said as his own words, the prosecutor will impeach him. They have all his media interviews, plus their interviews.

I’m pretty sure law enforcement would have interviewed the adult who supervised the group Kyron was supposed to be in; they would have interviewed the three other children in the group, plus the teacher. Had Tanner’s stories about 1) passing Kyron in the hallway, and 2) not seeing Kyron as the group of five (reduced to four) returned to the classroom been verifiable we would not be where we are today.

Tanner does not give a time for passing Kyron in the hallway. There is no doubt Kyron was inside the school that morning.

Law enforcement states that Terri is the last known person to see Kyron.

In my opinion.

Unofficial transcript/snipped portions:
[2:02] Reporter: Wendy says Tanner has told her he saw Kyron’s stepmom, Terri, leaving the school building. Kyron was not with his stepmom when she left school.
[0:30] Tanner: I went down the stairs and that was the last time I saw him; I never did see him after that.
[0:51] Tanner: And she was like Oh, no. Where is Kyron? There is only five. And Ms Porter is like it’s alright, calm down, calm down. He’s probably in the bathroom, or getting a drink of water. She’s like alright. I’m gonna leave and she left.
[1:14] Tanner: It’s hard because people are just writing notes and giving him candy and gummy bears and teddy bears and everything. Trying to hope and hope that he’s coming back. And sometimes we always sit on the carpet and hold hands and pray that he will come back.

Video embedded in Websleuths comment​

Snipped quote: [June 9, 2010] Tanner [redacted], Kyron's classmate, said he last saw his friend at about the same time when Kyron told him he was headed to look at another student's science project.
"He walked by the hallway and I'm like, 'Hi, Kyron,' and he's like, 'Hi. I'm going to go see this cool one. It's electric.' I'm like, 'Alright, bye.' And that's the last time I saw him," Tanner said. "He never did make it back to class."
As the search for Kyron enters its sixth day, Tanner said his friend's disappearance is all he can think about.
"I'm feeling really sad. For the last five days, I haven't gotten much sleep," he said. "I'm hoping that my best friend will come back."
Classes at Skyline School continued as scheduled Tuesday. Tanner said he and fellow students have spent time in class writing letters to Kyron and piling them on his desk.
"If we ever do find him, it's going to be hard for him to go on the bus with all of his stuff," Tanner said. "He has a pile of stuff with a great, big teddy bear."
Classmate: 'I Hope My Best Friend Comes Back' - Portland News Story - KPTV Portland

Snipped quote: [June 5, 2010] Parent-led groups of about four students walked among the classrooms, said Gina Zimmerman, president of the Skyline PTA.
"You were supposed to stay with your group," Zimmerman said. "I don't know what group he was in."
However, the sheriff's office news release says school staff did not see Kyron after 8:45 a.m. and that he did not make it to his classroom.
Kyron Horman disappearance: Skyline school parents and students will be interviewed Sunday | OregonLive.com

[Pg 40] Terri, who said she’d seen Kyron enter his classroom, told a different version too: she said that when she left Kyron, he’d been with a “chaperone” leading the children around to see the various science projects. The school said there were no adults acting as chaperones.
Later, a parent involved with the PTA explained that there were parent-led groups of students walking between the classrooms to see the science exhibits. She led the group made up of Kyron’s classmates. He was not in it.

"Boy Missing · The Search for Kyron Horman" by Rebecca Morris
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Snipped quote: [July 16, 2010] Authorities are asking media to give them copies of any video interviews with students, parents or others who said they saw Kyron Horman after 8:45 a.m. on June 4.
Horman disappeared that day from Skyline School in rural northwest Multnomah County.
In addition to the footage, the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office is asking for contact information for those who were interviewed. …
The sheriff's office already has conducted interviews twice -- and in some cases four times -- with parents, students, school officials and others since Kyron disappeared almost six weeks ago. But some of those interviewed have given different stories to TV crews, he said, and the sheriff's office wants to follow up on any information that may have been missed.
Police ask media for footage of interviews with potential witnesses in Kyron Horman case

[June 21, 2010] Capt. Jason Gates of the Multnomah County sheriff's department issued the following statement Friday on the decision to request information on Kyron's stepmother:
"Detectives work in this case is exhaustive and they, along with Kyron's family, are asking for the community's assistance regarding anyone who saw not only Kyron, but also who may have seen Terri Horman and/or the truck she was driving that morning. Terri is the last person known to have seen him before he disappeared."
Kyron's mom: 'So sorry that I was not there to protect you' - CNN.com

 

[FergusMcDuck]

The adorable little boy talking about teddy bears, candy, and hope will not be Terri’s savior in a criminal court of law.

I'd say Terri not being charged anytime soon is what's likely to be her savior. Three successive DAs have neglected to charge her in 14 years, no Grand Jury has indicted her despite being first empaneled only two months after the abduction. No new incriminating information has emerged, no new leads and no aspiring DA has promised to charge her. So I don't think young TP will be call upon to save her.

In June 2010, he was 8 years old. Not only was he confused and traumatized by Kyron’s absence, but his grandmother put words in his mouth. What his grandmother says he said cannot be used at trial for the truth of the matter. If he takes the stand and “remembers” what his grandmother said he said as his own words, the prosecutor will impeach him. They have all his media interviews, plus their interviews.

We have no reason to believe it was his grandmother who made him say what he said. For one, why would she? For the other, why this particular story? Why make him say the bit about the electrical exhibit?

I’m pretty sure law enforcement would have interviewed the adult who supervised the group Kyron was supposed to be in; they would have interviewed the three other children in the group, plus the teacher. Had Tanner’s stories about 1) passing Kyron in the hallway, and 2) not seeing Kyron as the group of five (reduced to four) returned to the classroom been verifiable we would not be where we are today.

Where we are today is without an official suspect, without an official PoI, without a body and without any physical evidence. Perhaps the police disregarded TP's story to their own detriment?

Tanner does not give a time for passing Kyron in the hallway. There is no doubt Kyron was inside the school that morning.

And yet, it makes no sense for the story to take place any time with Terri still in the building. She kept Kyron with her at all points (we have no testimony from anyone seeing Terri alone in the school, only Kyron) except their ascent via different stairways.

[Pg 40] Terri, who said she’d seen Kyron enter his classroom, told a different version too: she said that when she left Kyron, he’d been with a “chaperone” leading the children around to see the various science projects. The school said there were no adults acting as chaperones.
Later, a parent involved with the PTA explained that there were parent-led groups of students walking between the classrooms to see the science exhibits. She led the group made up of Kyron’s classmates. He was not in it.

"Boy Missing · The Search for Kyron Horman" by Rebecca Morris
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I like this bit, as it directly contradicts the facts as we know them. Terri's leaked email shows that she didn't claim she had seen Kyron with a chaperone, she said she had heard that from someone else:

“The teacher thought I said I was going to take Kyron with Kitty for a doctor’s appt.,” she wrote on June 5, 2010. “I said I was going to look at other exhibits - how do you mess that up? His coat and backpack were still at school. I left the school at 9 and he was seen with a man ‘chaperone’ and 2 girls after I left. There were no men on the chaperone list. That and it was highly chaotic - had to been 300 people running around - no coordination ...”

But even in this excerpt Terri is doubted only to have been proven right - there were chaperones leading groups of children. Why would the school deny it?

 

[OddOneOut]

But even in this excerpt Terri is doubted only to have been proven right - there were chaperones leading groups of children. Why would the school deny it?

"I left the school at 9 and he was seen with a man ‘chaperone’ and 2 girls after I left. There were no men on the chaperone list."

Was this "man" ever identified? What did he look like?

 

[FergusMcDuck]

"I left the school at 9 and he was seen with a man ‘chaperone’ and 2 girls after I left. There were no men on the chaperone list."

Was this "man" ever identified? What did he look like?

The police has never given any information about this guy.

 

[DFWNF]

Just fyi I saw just now in People magazine online that remains missing 54 years were found on sauvie island, she was a teenager from Portland missing 54 years.

Human Remains Identified as Portland Teenager Who Went Missing 54 Years Ago

Oregon State Police announced on social media this week that they identified the remains of a woman found in Sauvie Island in 1970 as teenager Sandra Young, who went missing in 1968 or 1969.

people.com

 

[Truth Prevails]

Just fyi I saw just now in People magazine online that remains missing 54 years were found on sauvie island, she was a teenager from Portland missing 54 years.

Human Remains Identified as Portland Teenager Who Went Missing 54 Years Ago

Oregon State Police announced on social media this week that they identified the remains of a woman found in Sauvie Island in 1970 as teenager Sandra Young, who went missing in 1968 or 1969.

people.com

Tragic, but I hope Sandra can rest in peace now. She has a short thread on Websleuths.

Resolved - OR - Columbia Co, BlkFem 17-25, UP9006, Afro-style wig, Feb'70 - namus removed

Bumping

www.websleuths.com

Never give up! Justice for Kyron! Terri is not a victim!

 

[DFWNF]

JUSTICE FOR KYRON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And his Mama!!!!!!

 

[ReadySet]

Justice for Kyron! Terri is not a victim and imo she knows where Kyron is.

 

[OddOneOut]

My theory is that Terri saw Kyron heading towards his classroom door like she said. The abductor saw her turn away and go down the stairs. Kyron told his classmate that he was going to see the "electrical" display and left to do so. The abductor saw Kyron leave the safety of his peers and go off by himself. The abductor followed Kyron and lured him away. The abductor steered Kyron towards his white pickup truck (similar to Terri's) and drove off with him. I suspect the abductor promised to show Kyron something. The teacher not marking him absent gave the abductor time to leave the area with Kyron. By the time Kyron failed to get off the bus at home, he could have been many miles away or deceased and his body disposed of. He hasn't been found because he is outside the search area. I believe this was planned out in advance except for which child he would abduct. I, also, believe the abductor has abducted at least one other child before Kyron and has probably abducted another/others since then. I suspect the abductor to be a male between the ages of 30 and 60 because a younger person would have stood out inside the school.

 

[lightofmine99]

6070DMOR - Kyron Richard Horman

Kyron now has a page on the Doe Network!

 

[Truth Prevails]

Nor for me, I'm a step Mom also.

One thing that is rarely discussed - in March 2010, Terri's son J was sent to live with his Grandparents. Later he moved in with his Dad. No reason has ever been given, but I'm curious why that happened. Sending your kid to live elsewhere is a bid deal in my opinion. Was this around the same time Terri sent emails to Desiree, regarding Kyron coming to live with her?

Kyron Horman's blended family: Friends describe a close, supportive group

Terri Moulton Horman and Desiree Young were friends before Kyron was born.

www.oregonlive.com

Sorry to have missed this earlier. I don't see a response so I'd like to weigh in. There is quite a bit on it. I'll add a few links at the end.

In answer to your question, the only link I have containing a reference to a time frame would be the following:
Snipped: Investigators uncovered private emails Terri sent to a friend shortly before Kyron disappeared.

‘Little Boy Lost’ documentary looks at Kyron Horman case

A documentary on the Kyron Horman case debuts on the Investigation Discovery channel Friday, less than a week from the 10th anniversary of his disappearance from a Northwest Portland school.

www.koin.com

I'll add links for two short videos. I hope I'm not veering off-topic regarding the batch of emails you are referring to:

Kaine, Desiree appear on 'Dr. Phil'

"Looking Back, Did You Miss Things?"--Dr. Phil​

In my opinion, the time frame of the following emails is also interesting.
[[Pg 202] The police had been studying Terri's emails. Terri's first attempt to hire a hitman had been in December 2009. She approached Rodolfo Sanchez in May 2010.

"Boy Missing · The Search for Kyron Horman" by Rebecca Morris​

Links concerning Terri's bio son, J:
Snipped: In March, [J] went to live in Roseburg, but the reason why depends on who is asked. ...
It seems his mother, Terri Horman, has told different people different things and sources say it has added to the confusion.
One version - in Horman’s own words - was recently forwarded to KATU News.
“I had my son go to live with my parents so he would be happy - went from D’s to straight A’s within one month of being away from Kaine,” she wrote in an April 6 e-mail. ...
But that’s not what Terri’s friend from 24-Hour Fitness, who testified before the grand jury Monday, said they heard. In the weeks before Kyron disappeared, that person said Terri was upset, telling the friend her husband forced her son to move out.

Terri Horman e-mail provides insight into family tensions

It seems his mother, Terri Horman, has told different people different things and sources say it has added to the confusion.

web.archive.org

Snipped: In February, Terri sent [J] to Roseburg to live with his maternal grandparents.
"I was on a business trip when she made that decision," Kaine said. "She called me on my first day (in California) and said they had gotten into a fight. She couldn't handle it anymore. She was going to call his dad to talk about other options."
Kaine said he didn't want James to move out, but it wasn't his decision. ...

[J] said he misses his little sister — and would like to see Kaine as well.
"He was like a dad to me," [J] said. "I lived with him for eight years."

Terri Moulton Horman: Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions

The missing boy's stepmother, focus of the inquiry into his disappearance, is described as a giver and a taker, caring but controlling, sweet but manipulative.

www.oregonlive.com

Snipped: "We're dealing with someone who is a master of deception, misdirection, and she's bringing it forward in spades," Kaine said of Terri during a press conference at the boy's 'Wall of Hope.'
Kaine said that, since the investigation began, he's heard directly from friends and family about conversations they had with Terri.
He said he realized too late, after he and Terri were no longer together, that she was crafting an image of her relationship with him and children in their household that was untrue.

Kaine Horman: Terri is a 'master of deception'

Kaine Horman had harsh words Monday morning for Terri Moulton Horman, hours after Kyron Horman's mother Desiree Young lashed out at Terri.

web.archive.org

 

[Truth Prevails]

I'd say Terri not being charged anytime soon is what's likely to be her savior. Three successive DAs have neglected to charge her in 14 years, no Grand Jury has indicted her despite being first empaneled only two months after the abduction. No new incriminating information has emerged, no new leads and no aspiring DA has promised to charge her. So I don't think young TP will be call upon to save her.

Yet, the statements attributed to and made by this sweet innocent continue to be trotted out after all these years as Terri’s first line of defense.

Over and over and over, we hear their familiar refrain. And I’m sure it will continue despite the inaccuracy.

More incriminating evidence may have surfaced, not that they need it. But how would we know? Neither law enforcement nor the DA’s office will issue a bulletin informing us. We have to wait for the handcuffs.

We have no reason to believe it was his grandmother who made him say what he said. For one, why would she? For the other, why this particular story? Why make him say the bit about the electrical exhibit?

I can’t explain why anyone would do and say the things they do and say.

However, the grandmother said "Tanner has told her":

[2:02] Reporter: Wendy says Tanner has told her he saw Kyron’s stepmom, Terri, leaving the school building. Kyron was not with his stepmom when she left school.
Video embedded in Websleuths' comment

Where we are today is without an official suspect, without an official PoI, without a body and without any physical evidence. Perhaps the police disregarded TP's story to their own detriment?

We are here without human remains. I agree. Specifically, the human remains of 7-year-old Kyron Richard Horman. His whole life was taken from him. He was alone when he faced a demon. IMO

There are many dirty alleyways where justice abandoned Kyron. I believe in a tomorrow that will be brighter because it will hold justice for Kyron. Justice for Kyron! Justice for Kyron!

Snipped quote: In a legal memo filed today, Bunch argues that Terri can't proceed at this time to protect her rights to property, custody and parenting time because she is a "de facto suspect" in the disappearance of Kyron and at the center of a police investigation.
Terri Moulton Horman, focus in stepson Kyron Horman's disappearance, shows for divorce hearing

Snipped quote: "The defendant is a prime suspect in the investigation," Circuit Court Judge Henry Kantor wrote, explaining his decision to allow the case to proceed but allowing Terri Horman to avoid a deposition that could potentially incriminate her in the criminal investigation.
Kyron Horman's Stepmother Called 'Prime Suspect' by Judge

Snipped quote: If she is forced to talk, she would be granted immunity under Oregon law. …
"Terri will not be called to the grand jury if she is in fact the prime suspect, because if you have your prime suspect testify to the grand jury, then you just granted them immunity in the process if you compel them to testify," he said.
Kyron's parents testify before grand jury

Regarding young TP, in my opinion, it’s not that law enforcement disregarded his statements because they certainly did not. They have a statement from at least one other source that discredits his. The statement made by the grandmother provided and still provides good media entertainment, but that’s the end of its usefulness to Terri. As discussed previously above and also here.

And yet, it makes no sense for the story to take place any time with Terri still in the building. She kept Kyron with her at all points (we have no testimony from anyone seeing Terri alone in the school, only Kyron) except their ascent via different stairways.

Here is an interesting citation opening up an interesting hypothesis:
[Pg 263] Underhill said at least one witness told police they saw a second adult, on a phone, in the truck while Terri was in the school. Another had seen the truck moved. Later, detectives told Desiree that despite tips, they didn't think there was anyone else in Terri's truck, at least when it was parked at the school. They thought the person sighted on the phone in the truck was Terri.

"Boy Missing · The Search for Kyron Horman" by Rebecca Morris​

I like this bit, as it directly contradicts the facts as we know them. Terri's leaked email shows that she didn't claim she had seen Kyron with a chaperone, she said she had heard that from someone else:


But even in this excerpt Terri is doubted only to have been proven right - there were chaperones leading groups of children. Why would the school deny it?

The citation isn't about Terri's leaked email. It's about Terri trying to explain where Kyron was when she last saw him. Sometime during the evening of June 4, 2010, her revised version was Kyron had been with a chaperone who had been leading the children around when she left. Please see Page 40, Chapter 3 of “Boy Missing – The Search For Kyron Horman” by Rebecca Morris. The whole chapter is worth reading, BTW. IMO

The June 5, 2010 email contained specific details not given in the citation, such as an unidentified someone had told this to Terri about another unidentified someone who was a male and a chaperone and was seen with Kyron and two girls after Terri left. Any guesses on how long it would take law enforcement to catch what was going on? How much time and manpower would a reasonable person expect law enforcement to waste on this? It’s worse than her “hilly roads” story. And Kyron was missing!

I wonder if the email referred to as being leaked was one that DeDe turned over to law enforcement. Terri got a lot of good mileage out of that leak.

Speaking of DeDe, much like the school she seemed to have a problem with words and their meaning. Working as opposed to volunteering, for example. Isn’t it strange when otherwise intelligent adults can’t seem to distinguish the meaning of the simplest words?
DeDe’s civil deposition. See bottom right of page 3.

Since the early stages of the investigation, the school was aware that Kyron was not in his group. Why would the school deny it is a good question.

Law enforcement determined to keep every tiny detail secret and a rogue student encouraged by a grandparent to give misleading interviews to the press didn’t make it easy for the school.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Yet, the statements attributed to and made by this sweet innocent continue to be trotted out after all these years as Terri’s first line of defense.

I would think that in discussions about an unsolved case, actual statements from what may well be the last person except his killer to see Kyron might be of interest in themselves, and not dismissed as something "trotted out" because they're inconvenient to the dominant opinion.

Over and over and over, we hear their familiar refrain. And I’m sure it will continue despite the inaccuracy.

What inaccuracy?

More incriminating evidence may have surfaced, not that they need it. But how would we know? Neither law enforcement nor the DA’s office will issue a bulletin informing us. We have to wait for the handcuffs.

There will be no handcuffs. Not on Terri, anyway.

I can’t explain why anyone would do and say the things they do and say.

However, the grandmother said "Tanner has told her":

[2:02] Reporter: Wendy says Tanner has told her he saw Kyron’s stepmom, Terri, leaving the school building. Kyron was not with his stepmom when she left school.
Video embedded in Websleuths' comment

Yes, and the rest comes directly from TP himself. He saw Kyron alone in the school, somewhere upstairs (since he went downstairs directly after). This does not match anything we know of Kyron's movements before Terri left the school.

Regarding young TP, in my opinion, it’s not that law enforcement disregarded his statements because they certainly did not. They have a statement from at least one other source that discredits his. The statement made by the grandmother provided and still provides good media entertainment, but that’s the end of its usefulness to Terri. As discussed previously above and also here.

I'd say it guarantees that Terri will never be charged, much less convicted. Even if they do have some testimony "discrediting" TP, they obviously haven't been able to convince a Grand Jury to indict, so my guess is that whatever they have is less than compelling.

If you ask me, the MCSO realized long ago - as in late June 2010 - that Terri wasn't the one who took Kyron from the school, based on testimonies like the one from TP, and the evidence from CCTV and witnesses ensuring that she didn't have Kyron with her during the subsequent hour. That's when we begin to see focus on potential "accomplices" (landscaper, Dede, mystery man) who could have taken Kyron and met up with Terri at Sauvie Island or somewhere. But, also obviously, they haven't been able to substantiate that theory.

Here is an interesting citation opening up an interesting hypothesis:
[Pg 263] Underhill said at least one witness told police they saw a second adult, on a phone, in the truck while Terri was in the school. Another had seen the truck moved. Later, detectives told Desiree that despite tips, they didn't think there was anyone else in Terri's truck, at least when it was parked at the school. They thought the person sighted on the phone in the truck was Terri.

"Boy Missing · The Search for Kyron Horman" by Rebecca Morris​

This is one of many statements in the book that makes very little sense. Terri was sitting in her truck on the phone while Terri was inside the school? Are these quantum Terris? Astral projections? The police were quite adamant to the media at the time that it was a second person in the truck (or as I suspect, a truck that was confused for Terri's), and that it was during the time Terri was inside the school (also that it wasn't Dede).

The citation isn't about Terri's leaked email. It's about Terri trying to explain where Kyron was when she last saw him. Sometime during the evening of June 4, 2010, her revised version was Kyron had been with a chaperone who had been leading the children around when she left. Please see Page 40, Chapter 3 of “Boy Missing – The Search For Kyron Horman” by Rebecca Morris. The whole chapter is worth reading, BTW. IMO

Terri's leaked email discredits the passage from the book. Terri wasn't telling people she had seen Kyron with the chaperone, she said Kyron had been seen with a chaperone. The book even quotes the email later. The passage also seems to have confused the school's denial of "substitutes" (what TP called the chaperones) with denial of chaperones altogether.

But, Portland Public School spokesman Matt Shelby said the account can't be true: "There were no substitutes at the school that day (the day Kyron disappeared)," he said.

The June 5, 2010 email contained specific details not given in the citation, such as an unidentified someone had told this to Terri about another unidentified someone who was a male and a chaperone and was seen with Kyron and two girls after Terri left. Any guesses on how long it would take law enforcement to catch what was going on? How much time and manpower would a reasonable person expect law enforcement to waste on this? It’s worse than her “hilly roads” story. And Kyron was missing!

Are we just not expecting the MCSO to do their jobs? They should have questioned everyone in the school within days at most, regardless of what Terri told them. That is in no way "wasting time and manpower", that is the bare minimum expected. Terri would have no way of knowing if the tip was legit, so why shouldn't she pass it on? She obviously didn't make it up, as it would have fallen apart the moment the police asked her who told her about it.

I wonder if the email referred to as being leaked was one that DeDe turned over to law enforcement. Terri got a lot of good mileage out of that leak.

A lot of people turned over mails. There's no reason to think this was Dede's.

Speaking of DeDe, much like the school she seemed to have a problem with words and their meaning. Working as opposed to volunteering, for example. Isn’t it strange when otherwise intelligent adults can’t seem to distinguish the meaning of the simplest words?
DeDe’s civil deposition. See bottom right of page 3.

So she didn't get paid for the gardening, but was compensated when she did extra work like hostessing? She actually explains it pretty well, I don't know where the confusion comes in.

Since the early stages of the investigation, the school was aware that Kyron was not in his group. Why would the school deny it is a good question.

Did they ever deny it publicly?

Law enforcement determined to keep every tiny detail secret and a rogue student encouraged by a grandparent to give misleading interviews to the press didn’t make it easy for the school.

Or it was less "misleading" and more "inconvenient" to them, just as they were trying to apply pressure to Terri. And of course we know the results - a big fat fiasco for the MCSO.

 

[DFWNF]

Tick tock. Can't wait for handcuffs on Terri and her locked up forever. It is a blessing Kiara did not grow up with Terri, thank God for that. That a loving extended family was torn apart by Terri's actions is tragic and horrific. And the pain never stops for those Kyron was stolen from.

 

[Truth Prevails]

I would think that in discussions about an unsolved case, actual statements from what may well be the last person except his killer to see Kyron might be of interest in themselves, and not dismissed as something "trotted out" because they're inconvenient to the dominant opinion.


What inaccuracy?


There will be no handcuffs. Not on Terri, anyway.


Yes, and the rest comes directly from TP himself. He saw Kyron alone in the school, somewhere upstairs (since he went downstairs directly after). This does not match anything we know of Kyron's movements before Terri left the school.


I'd say it guarantees that Terri will never be charged, much less convicted. Even if they do have some testimony "discrediting" TP, they obviously haven't been able to convince a Grand Jury to indict, so my guess is that whatever they have is less than compelling.

If you ask me, the MCSO realized long ago - as in late June 2010 - that Terri wasn't the one who took Kyron from the school, based on testimonies like the one from TP, and the evidence from CCTV and witnesses ensuring that she didn't have Kyron with her during the subsequent hour. That's when we begin to see focus on potential "accomplices" (landscaper, Dede, mystery man) who could have taken Kyron and met up with Terri at Sauvie Island or somewhere. But, also obviously, they haven't been able to substantiate that theory.

I shudder for Kyron when I think about the last face he saw. The face of the devil advancing on him. He was 7-years-old.

How do we know the grand jury didn’t vote to indict? Could you provide a supporting link for your statement, please? Maybe they brought back a true bill and the DA decided to shelve their decision, like in the Ramsey case. It seems the DA’s office was afraid to take a “no body” case to trial; afraid they couldn’t find a jury who would understand circumstantial evidence. Justice for Kyron!

Perusing the links here will highlight more than one inaccuracy in Tanner’s statements.

My apologies for repeating myself, but Tanner will not be Terri’s savior. OMO

Minus his grandmother’s statement that Terri left without Kyron, the most glaring inaccuracy is Tanner’s last sighting of Kyron. We have to guess at a time. Factually, it likely occurred while Terri was still at the school. This leaves Terri with no witness placing Kyron at the school while she was at Fred Meyer, Hillsboro, around 9:00 a.m. Terri was there. She has a receipt and there is CCTV footage of her. But, where was Kyron?

Around 10:00 a.m., Terri was at Fred Meyer, Beaverton. Terri has a receipt and there is CCTV footage of her. She even managed to ensure a witness at this Fred Myer. But, where was Kyron?

Around August 9, 2010, the following was released by the MCSO:

Nothing has changed except the possibility that more evidence has been discovered. IMO

Landscaper and mystery man only made it as potential "accomplices" in the blogs/discussion groups. Mostly in the blogs/discussion groups led and fed by Terri and her supporters. In my opinion.

 

[OddOneOut]

My theory is that Terri saw Kyron heading towards his classroom door like she said. The abductor saw her turn away and go down the stairs. Kyron told his classmate that he was going to see the "electrical" display and left to do so. The abductor saw Kyron leave the safety of his peers and go off by himself. The abductor followed Kyron and lured him away. The abductor steered Kyron towards his white pickup truck (similar to Terri's) and drove off with him. I suspect the abductor promised to show Kyron something. The teacher not marking him absent gave the abductor time to leave the area with Kyron. By the time Kyron failed to get off the bus at home, he could have been many miles away or deceased and his body disposed of. He hasn't been found because he is outside the search area. I believe this was planned out in advance except for which child he would abduct. I, also, believe the abductor has abducted at least one other child before Kyron and has probably abducted another/others since then. I suspect the abductor to be a male between the ages of 30 and 60 because a younger person would have stood out inside the school.

I wonder if the "science fair" was advertised to the local public in advance as a school event? While it doesn't appear to have been open to the public, it may have helped the abductor find an event where he could blend in with parents and grandparents. Wasn't there a report of someone asking where a school was?

 

[FergusMcDuck]

How do we know the grand jury didn’t vote to indict? Could you provide a supporting link for your statement, please? Maybe they brought back a true bill and the DA decided to shelve their decision, like in the Ramsey case. It seems the DA’s office was afraid to take a “no body” case to trial; afraid they couldn’t find a jury who would understand circumstantial evidence. Justice for Kyron!

The Ramsey case was different in that the DA and the police were at odds, and the DA had to be pushed into empaneling the GJ much later. Whereas in Kyron's case, the DA and MCSO quickly moved to the GJ stage without any sign of disagreement between them. The whole point of the GJ system is to get an indictment, and if the DA is actively seeking one, it's certainly odd and rare that they would turn on a dime and not prosecute as soon as they got one. Another difference with regards to the Ramsey case is that the DA only managed to get two weak counts of indictment - not for murder, or abuse, or kidnapping, but for putting a child in endangerment.

I've seen no indication that the DA was afraid of taking a "no body" case to trial. It has happened plenty of times, and as I've mentioned, three DAs have been in charge during the whole case - none of whom has gone ahead with charges.

If anything, an existing true bill would just show how astonishingly weak the case against Terri is, if the DA and MCSO are so insecure about it.

Perusing the links here will highlight more than one inaccuracy in Tanner’s statements.

I don't see any.

My apologies for repeating myself, but Tanner will not be Terri’s savior. OMO

Tanner will not need to be. Terri won't be charged.

Minus his grandmother’s statement that Terri left without Kyron, the most glaring inaccuracy is Tanner’s last sighting of Kyron. We have to guess at a time. Factually, it likely occurred while Terri was still at the school.

Terri entered the school with Kyron, went to the classroom, talked to the teacher, took the picture (Gina Z has given times around 8:15 and 8:30 for these). They then toured together and visited Kyron's old teacher in 104. At least two teachers saw them together (Porter and McBeth, presumably). Terri then says they ascended different staircases and that she left after telling Kyron (who was on his way to his classroom) that she was leaving. While we have two people on the record as seeing Kyron along (TP and TK), not a single witness has come forward and said they saw Terri alone at any point. So when would the meeting between TP and Kyron occur? It had to be in the upstairs hallway, since TP said he went downstairs immediately after the meeting.

This leaves Terri with no witness placing Kyron at the school while she was at Fred Meyer, Hillsboro, around 9:00 a.m. Terri was there. She has a receipt and there is CCTV footage of her. But, where was Kyron?

At 9? Either still at school or leaving with his abductor, as late as 9:30. Definitely not with Terri, who was driving through urban areas and parking in public spots, visiting stores, with no Kyron in sight.

Around 10:00 a.m., Terri was at Fred Meyer, Beaverton. Terri has a receipt and there is CCTV footage of her. She even managed to ensure a witness at this Fred Myer. But, where was Kyron?

At 10 Kyron would be well gone from the school, as TP has witnessed the chaperone telling the teacher Kyron wasn't in their group. Definitely not with Terri, who was driving through urban areas and parking in public spots, visiting stores, with no Kyron in sight.

Around August 9, 2010, the following was released by the MCSO:
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Yeah, this one backfired. That very day they asked the public about a second person seen in "Terri's" truck at the school, and presumably this poster caused a lot of people to "remember" seeing Dede there, since they had to leak to the media that the second person wasn't Dede a week later.

So at this point, if they believe Dede is still involved, it is later - after the abduction. And they also have to know that Kyron wasn't with Terri during her shopping tour. That leaves them with the mystery person, who they've never publicly identified or in any way connected to Terri.

Nothing has changed except the possibility that more evidence has been discovered. IMO

You're right that nothing has changed. The MCSO started with nothing and that's what they have now.

Landscaper and mystery man only made it as potential "accomplices" in the blogs/discussion groups. Mostly in the blogs/discussion groups led and fed by Terri and her supporters. In my opinion.

Why would Terri and her supporters paint certain people as her accomplices? The whole point is that she and her supporters claim she's innocent.

But as the links I gave above show, mystery man certainly was asked about as an accomplice.