Kyron Horman General Discussion thread 2023 - 2026

[Maat99]

You mean parent them? She wasn't a mere 'caregiver' and neither expressed any issues with her parenting skills either until after 28 June 2010, after the failed sting and same date he left with their child.

You wrote that Terri and Kaine were allowed to “provide full time care” and I was agreeing with you. If you meant to say “full time parenting” that’s fine too. I also agree with you that it displays a horrible lapse in judgement to only express an issue with her parenting after the failed sting.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Quote:
Statement: “Because of a FAPA Order obtained by Petitioner in June 2010, Respondent has not had any contact with [baby K], despite her attorney’s continuing attempts over the last three years to initiate appropriate parental contact.”

Response: The only thing true and admissible about this statement is that the 2010 FAPA Order provided that Respondent should have no parenting time with [baby K]. Respondent had rights since 2010 that included the right to have a hearing to contest the parenting time provisions and/or the FAPA Order in its entirety. In fact, on October 13, 2010, Respondent filed a motion to modify the FAPA Order to provide for parenting time. However, on November 2, 2010, Respondent withdrew her motion. The Declaration of her lawyer makes it perfectly clear that Respondent was giving up her rights to seek parenting time rather than participate in these proceedings. The idea that Petitioner has unilaterally suspended Respondent’s parenting rights is far from the truth. Respondent, alone, is responsible for her own litigation decisions. She, alone, is responsible for her choice to seek no relief from the court during the past three years. The fact that [baby K] has no relationship with Respondent is the direct consequence of Respondent’s decision to exercise her rights against self-incrimination instead of her parenting rights.
https://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/kainehorman.pdf

Yes, it was the criminal investigation that caused her to not initially contest, since the police had made it clear they were attempting to incriminate her. It's clear that it was Kaine's actions that ultimately prevented Terri from seeing her child.

 

[Vern]

Quote:
Statement: “Because of a FAPA Order obtained by Petitioner in June 2010, Respondent has not had any contact with [baby K], despite her attorney’s continuing attempts over the last three years to initiate appropriate parental contact.”

Response: The only thing true and admissible about this statement is that the 2010 FAPA Order provided that Respondent should have no parenting time with [baby K]. Respondent had rights since 2010 that included the right to have a hearing to contest the parenting time provisions and/or the FAPA Order in its entirety. In fact, on October 13, 2010, Respondent filed a motion to modify the FAPA Order to provide for parenting time. However, on November 2, 2010, Respondent withdrew her motion. The Declaration of her lawyer makes it perfectly clear that Respondent was giving up her rights to seek parenting time rather than participate in these proceedings. The idea that Petitioner has unilaterally suspended Respondent’s parenting rights is far from the truth. Respondent, alone, is responsible for her own litigation decisions. She, alone, is responsible for her choice to seek no relief from the court during the past three years. The fact that [baby K] has no relationship with Respondent is the direct consequence of Respondent’s decision to exercise her rights against self-incrimination instead of her parenting rights.
https://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/kainehorman.pdf

She is responsible for that choice I agree.

Let's consider the facts at play when she made that legally informed/advised choice ... Judge merges the Restraining Order application by Kaine in with the proceedings. The Restraining Order he sought ou based upon the failed sting operation information given to him by the police. Although that info may not have been 'on point' given, again, that the operation failed and she immediately called 911 after the attempt --- same day of Kaine's action of leaving with their daughter. So, importantly, after she became fully aware that LE was gunning for regardless of proof of guilt or actual evidence of such.

Which they apparently still do not have despite their (failed) attempts.

This has nothing to do with being culpable for murder nor is it evidence of such.

 

[Vern]

You wrote that Terri and Kaine were allowed to “provide full time care” and I was agreeing with you. If you meant to say “full time parenting” that’s fine too. I also agree with you that it displays a horrible lapse in judgement to only express an issue with her parenting after the failed sting.

Seen. I did use the word custody in regards to Desiree and her allowing Kaine and Terri to bring in Kyron under their full-time care.

I am not akin to believe that the "lapse in judgement" was caused by anything other than information they were being given by LE as it pertained to the failed sting. Everything only became a problem for Kaine and Desiree after that 'vital' input from LE.

 

[Leve]

Below is an image of the sign that existed in front of Skyline Elementary School on June 4, 2010.
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Four years later: Kyron Horman still missing

Underneath is a similar sign that is in a similar place in front of Skyline Elementary School as of May 2023 as per Google Maps. As no other children have gone missing since June of 2010, I find it doubtful the sign played any part in Kyron's disappearance.
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Google Maps

Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.

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Lol, I would hope after a child went missing the school changed there security procedures.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Lol, I would hope after a child went missing the school changed there security procedures.

They did, which is why the situations aren't comparable.

 

[Truth Prevails]

Terri left Oregon in May of 2015, and no one knew where she was. No one was stalking or harassing her in any way. However, by her own actions, she was soon front and center in the media.

Snipped quote: [Updated: Jan. 09, 2016, 12:30 p.m.] Horman, who investigators suspect played a role in the 7-year-old boy's sudden disappearance nearly six years ago, returned her Oregon license to the state Department of Motor Vehicles last May.
The department received notice on Sept. 21 that she had a new address in Sacramento, said Erin K. Soto, a spokeswoman from Motor Vehicles' record division.
Terri Horman, stepmom of missing Kyron Horman, moved to California, state records show

Snipped quote: In August 2015, Moulton’s roommate reported the 46 year old had stolen a handgun from a safe in his Marysville, California home. When contacted by police, officers say Moulton had the stolen gun in her possession.
Prosecutors charged Moulton with grand theft firearm, a misdemeanor crime. Records show she failed to show up for arraignment and a warrant was issued for her arrest.
On July 4, 2016, Moulton was booked and released from the Yuba County jail for failure to appear. She later pleaded not guilty to the theft charge.
Kyron Horman's stepmother accused of domestic violence

Snipped quote: The defense did not call a single witness, including Horman, during the two-day trial.
Prosecutors called a deputy police officer and Horman’s former roommate to the witness stand.
"I spoke with a few jurors afterward and they were unsure if she intended to permanently keep the gun," explained prosecutor Ashley Tuft in an email to KGW.
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/terri-horman-not-guilty-of-gun-charge-in-california/283-452597022#:~:text=June 28, 2017-,PORTLAND, Ore.,was unrelated to Kyron's disappearance.

Snipped quote: The Sacramento man, who describes himself as Moulton's domestic partner, filed for a temporary restraining order against her on November 28. [2015]
“She was trying to put a knife – a kitchen knife to my face and then she was telling me that if I talked to law enforcement that something is going to happen to me or my family,” explained Cristobal.
A hearing on the restraining order has been schedule for December 16th in Sacramento County Superior Court. Moulton has not been charged for a crime related to Cristobal's accusations.
Kyron Horman's stepmother accused of domestic violence

Snipped quote: The former boyfriend of Terri Horman told KOIN 6 News he was granted a 2-year restraining order against her on Friday.
Horman, who is now known as Terri Moulton, did not appear in the California court. But her attorney, Sara Anderson, was there.
Terri Horman a no-show in domestic violence case

Snipped quote: [December 23, 2016] Belvedere Police arrested Terri Horman Friday for possessing a stolen vehicle, according to Marin County booking records.
Terri Horman Arrested for Third Time in 2016

Snipped quote: [January 6, 2017] Prosecutors in the Marin County District Attorney’s Office reviewed the evidence and determined they could not prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt, said assistant district attorney Barry Borden. No charges will be filed.
Terri Horman won't face charges in stolen vehicle case - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2

 

[Truth Prevails]

Lol, I would hope after a child went missing the school changed there security procedures.

Snipped quote: "The Early Show" reports that new security cameras have been installed throughout Skyline Elementary School to keep constant watch and ensure parents that the students are safe.

Kyron Horman Still Missing as School Resumes

Oregon 7-Year-Old Vanished June 4; His School Has Added Surveillance Cameras

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Vern]

Seriously, you missed all that stalking of her previously brought up by @FergusMcDuck by using that erroneous 2015 start date. That isn't when the harrassment of Terri strted or ended.

- Stalked her in court
- Stalked out her parents home
- Stalked her workplaces
etc etc etc

SG, KHWS and their ilk all over social media making promises "“I will promise Terri one thing! She won’t have a job long!” Publishing her new addresses whenever they could find them out and asking people to make it known she was there/wasn't wanted. Harassing her employers. Every time you see Terri ask her where Kyron is. etc etc

Perhaps it's time to ask LE, what's up with Kyron and what are you doing to find him?

Stepmother of missing Portland boy leaves job

The stepmother of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman has left her job as a mental health support specialist.

www.detroitnews.com

 

[Truth Prevails]

Kaine is a victim in all of this and I'm so sorry for his loss. Love is blind, though. And manipulators will manipulate. I know Kaine loved Kyron so much. He was just never able to see what he had married, in my opinion. Until it was much too late.

Snipped Quote: In his response to questions from KGW, Kaine acknowledged that people have commented about 'how could he marry a woman like this' and how could he 'not see this coming.'

In response, he wrote: "Terri was a good person when we first met and for several years (I’d say up until 2008). She was always about children (teaching) and helping them grow and develop. Her attitude was always about those types of things first, her own self not even being a priority close to that. I believe that this is the Terri that everyone else saw and got to know as I did."

"Honestly everyone, including myself, that knew her or knows her did not see this coming. She was not the type of person we are seeing right now," added Kaine Horman.

"There were some signs of emotional distress here and there over the past year and a half but not enough of that directed at any one person to conclude she would be capable of anything even remotely close to events of the severity we have all seen."

"She recently got her teaching license re-instated and has been applying for teaching positions so even the state of Oregon didn’t see this coming," wrote Kaine Horman.

Friday afternoon, Terri Horman agreed to vacate the family's home in Northwest Portland by 3 p.m. Saturday.

Kaine Horman:

In response to questions from KGW NewsChannel 8, Kaine Horman admitted he still wears his wedding ring, and says he and others who knew Terri Horman "did not see this coming."

web.archive.org

 

[Leve]

Does anyone have a link showing what time Terri's phone pinged? I have read it was at 10:39. We know she was in Michael's at 10:10 but for some reason nobody will release when she left Michaels.

But if the phone call was at 10:39 surely she didn't stop killing Kyron or disposing of his body to answer the phone.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Terri left Oregon in May of 2015, and no one knew where she was. No one was stalking or harassing her in any way. However, by her own actions, she was soon front and center in the media.

Snipped quote: [Updated: Jan. 09, 2016, 12:30 p.m.] Horman, who investigators suspect played a role in the 7-year-old boy's sudden disappearance nearly six years ago, returned her Oregon license to the state Department of Motor Vehicles last May.
The department received notice on Sept. 21 that she had a new address in Sacramento, said Erin K. Soto, a spokeswoman from Motor Vehicles' record division.
Terri Horman, stepmom of missing Kyron Horman, moved to California, state records show

More from this article:

She tried at least twice in state court to change her name but had no luck. She contended she was being harassed in the wake of Kyron's disappearance and was having a hard time finding a job.

When she tried to change her name to Claire Stella Sullivan in 2014, Horman told the judge that she needed a new name to start a new life without the stigma of Horman attached to it. The judge turned her down, saying a name change would not be in the public's interest.

She also tried to get a stalking order against a woman she said was harassing and threatening her on social media and at her court appearances.

[...]

But the order wasn't granted.

So she was harassed and stalked, and the courts didn't care.

Horman also quit her job in Eugene last year as a caregiver for Shangri-La Corp. despite a positive review from her employer. The company's chief executive officer said Horman quit because Horman "recognized the impact her employment had" on the nonprofit after news of where she worked leaked out.

[...]

Before that, she had tried to get a job at the Veterans Affairs hospital in Roseburg. She said in court that she started out as a volunteer at the hospital, but wasn't allowed to work there. "Because of who I am, that was their words,'' she testified during a Douglas County court hearing on her requested name change.

She could not get a job in Oregon, due to outside pressure.

Horman hasn't been allowed to see her daughter, Kiara, since shortly after her stepson's disappearance. Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, filed for divorce on June 28, 2010 -- 24 days after Kyron was last seen.

[...]

In June 2014, a Multnomah County judge granted custody of the daughter to Kaine Horman, but approved a plan to help reunite the mother and child and allow visitation.

Terri Horman had started meeting with an assigned "parent coordinator'' as required, but the logistics and costs of having a psychological assessment done proved challenging, according to sources familiar with the case. The plan is now on hold.

And despite fighting for and getting at least the possibility to reunite with her child, she didn't have the funds (due to the harassment and loss of jobs) to achieve it.

So, in 2015 she leaves Oregon. Her first year in California appears to have been difficult - but of course when charges were brought she was acquitted. There doesn't seem to have been any actual substance there. I do wonder if there wasn't something to this quote by Terri's lawyer:

“It does appear Ms. Moulton was pursued because of who she was and her background – not necessarily on the merits of this case,” Richards tells PEOPLE.

 

[Truth Prevails]

Seriously, you missed all that stalking of her previously brought up by @FergusMcDuck by using that erroneous 2015 start date. That isn't when the harrassment of Terri strted or ended.

- Stalked her in court
- Stalked out her parents home
- Stalked her workplaces
etc etc etc

SG, KHWS and their ilk all over social media making promises "“I will promise Terri one thing! She won’t have a job long!” Publishing her new addresses whenever they could find them out and asking people to make it known she was there/wasn't wanted. Harassing her employers. Every time you see Terri ask her where Kyron is. etc etc

Perhaps it's time to ask LE, what's up with Kyron and what are you doing to find him?

Stepmother of missing Portland boy leaves job

The stepmother of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman has left her job as a mental health support specialist.

www.detroitnews.com

She disappeared from the media's view sometime in May 2015. They lost track of her for a bit.
Snipped quote: [Updated: Jan. 09, 2016, 12:30 p.m.] Horman, who investigators suspect played a role in the 7-year-old boy's sudden disappearance nearly six years ago, returned her Oregon license to the state Department of Motor Vehicles last May.
The department received notice on Sept. 21 that she had a new address in Sacramento, said Erin K. Soto, a spokeswoman from Motor Vehicles' record division.
Terri Horman, stepmom of missing Kyron Horman, moved to California, state records show

Further down in the same link, the following discusses her stalking trials and tribulations. It's a shame the order wasn't granted because she would have had to testify.
Snipped quote: She also tried to get a stalking order against a woman she said was harassing and threatening her on social media and at her court appearances.
"I have no knowledge where Kyron may be and have proclaimed my innocence of any wrongdoing to law enforcement as well as I was not the last person to be seen with him to which my attorney has stated in court, on the record,'' she wrote in the petition last year.
She wrote that she, along with others, "want nothing more than Kyron to be found and safely returned home.''
But the order wasn't granted.
Terri Horman, stepmom of missing Kyron Horman, moved to California, state records show

 

[Truth Prevails]

Does anyone have a link showing what time Terri's phone pinged? I have read it was at 10:39. We know she was in Michael's at 10:10 but for some reason nobody will release when she left Michaels.

But if the phone call was at 10:39 surely she didn't stop killing Kyron or disposing of his body to answer the phone.

Do we know that she answered the phone? I don't think I ever heard that. I heard it might have been her mother but that could be determined later. The 10:39 a.m. time is the time Terri gives for the ping. Below is the time given in the book by Rebecca Morris. I'm not sure of a media link--I really don't think there is one.

[Pg 73] According to detectives, at 11 a.m. on June 4, Terri's cell phone pinged off a tower near an island where two channels of the Willamette River meet the Columbia River and flow one hundred miles to the Pacific Ocean. ... Terri told police the ping was because of the route she took while trying to quiet [baby K]. The MCSO narrowed the ping to within a mile of the cell phone tower. To the west were roads off Highway 30 and deep woods, as well as roads near Kaine's house and the school. To the east were Sauvie and thousands of acres of marsh and waterways.
"Boy Missing - The Search for Kyron Horman" by Rebecca Morris

 

[Leve]

Do we know that she answered the phone? I don't think I ever heard that. I heard it might have been her mother but that could be determined later. The 10:39 a.m. time is the time Terri gives for the ping. Below is the time given in the book by Rebecca Morris. I'm not sure of a media link--I really don't think there is one.

[Pg 73] According to detectives, at 11 a.m. on June 4, Terri's cell phone pinged off a tower near an island where two channels of the Willamette River meet the Columbia River and flow one hundred miles to the Pacific Ocean. ... Terri told police the ping was because of the route she took while trying to quiet [baby K]. The MCSO narrowed the ping to within a mile of the cell phone tower. To the west were roads off Highway 30 and deep woods, as well as roads near Kaine's house and the school. To the east were Sauvie and thousands of acres of marsh and waterways.
"Boy Missing - The Search for Kyron Horman" by Rebecca Morris

Boy Missing is written using Desiree's input not actual backed up heard from the mouth of info. Kwim?

I'd love to hear why someone thinks Terri's guilty without it being started by Desiree said. Since the majority of the damning things Desiree has said absolutely cannot be backed up and in some cases have been proven false.

Edited to add: we know darned well LE knows exactly when her phone rang and if in fact she answered it but aren't releasing that info. Grrr

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Do we know that she answered the phone? I don't think I ever heard that. I heard it might have been her mother but that could be determined later. The 10:39 a.m. time is the time Terri gives for the ping. Below is the time given in the book by Rebecca Morris. I'm not sure of a media link--I really don't think there is one.

[Pg 73] According to detectives, at 11 a.m. on June 4, Terri's cell phone pinged off a tower near an island where two channels of the Willamette River meet the Columbia River and flow one hundred miles to the Pacific Ocean. ... Terri told police the ping was because of the route she took while trying to quiet [baby K]. The MCSO narrowed the ping to within a mile of the cell phone tower. To the west were roads off Highway 30 and deep woods, as well as roads near Kaine's house and the school. To the east were Sauvie and thousands of acres of marsh and waterways.
"Boy Missing - The Search for Kyron Horman" by Rebecca Morris

It is interesting since the common implication in 2010 reporting was that she had pinged on the island, but according to this the MCSO always knew that the tower was by hwy 30. This quote from a screenshotted email between friends of Terri is telling.

Still very focused on Sauvie Island and telling me that she was driving down highway 30 on the day Kyron disappeared, etc but she doesn't know why they're focusing on the island.

I've been very critical of the MCSO, but I have to think they had at least one other reason for the focus on Sauvie Island - some white truck sighting that seemed particularly promising, or something like that. Because if they didn't... yeesh.

 

[Vern]

Kaine is a victim in all of this and I'm so sorry for his loss. Love is blind, though. And manipulators will manipulate. I know Kaine loved Kyron so much. He was just never able to see what he had married, in my opinion. Until it was much too late.

Snipped Quote: In his response to questions from KGW, Kaine acknowledged that people have commented about 'how could he marry a woman like this' and how could he 'not see this coming.'

In response, he wrote: "Terri was a good person when we first met and for several years (I’d say up until 2008). She was always about children (teaching) and helping them grow and develop. Her attitude was always about those types of things first, her own self not even being a priority close to that. I believe that this is the Terri that everyone else saw and got to know as I did."

"Honestly everyone, including myself, that knew her or knows her did not see this coming. She was not the type of person we are seeing right now," added Kaine Horman.

"There were some signs of emotional distress here and there over the past year and a half but not enough of that directed at any one person to conclude she would be capable of anything even remotely close to events of the severity we have all seen."

"She recently got her teaching license re-instated and has been applying for teaching positions so even the state of Oregon didn’t see this coming," wrote Kaine Horman.

Friday afternoon, Terri Horman agreed to vacate the family's home in Northwest Portland by 3 p.m. Saturday.

Kaine Horman:

In response to questions from KGW NewsChannel 8, Kaine Horman admitted he still wears his wedding ring, and says he and others who knew Terri Horman "did not see this coming."

web.archive.org

Indeed - no one saw it coming.

What caused the 'coming' of this sudden revelation?? --- Whatever it was that LE told them that caused Kaine to leave and the failed sting on the same day --- that's what. Just as I've previously posted, but I appreciate your link confirming it.

Failed Sting: So it failed. Perhaps that's because this supposed murder for hire plot, and the details surrounding it that they gave Kaine and Desiree, was not based upon any actual evidence or actual facts.

Now why do I thnk it was based on no evidnce or facts? Because they neither arrested her nor charged her with that supposed MFH plot and let the statute of imitations run down the clock on it. And, IMO when we see cases of major crimes where the murderer of a child "is known", but evdence lacks at the tie to nail them for it LE always seems to find another means to get the believed-perpetrator locked up anyway so they can bide their time on the murder.

Ron and Misty go down on the drug charges (Hayleigh Cummings anyone?) exatly as they should have. If LE had an actual and factual MFH plot that Terrir supposedly did, why then did they give her a pass on the charges? Not enough evidence to convict? .... Yet they didn't even give it a measely try.

That's telling to me.

 

[Leve]

Indeed - no one saw it coming.

What caused the 'coming' of this sudden revelation?? --- Whatever it was that LE told them that caused Kaine to leave and the failed sting on the same day --- that's what. Just as I've previously posted, but I appreciate your link confirming it.

Failed Sting: So it failed. Perhaps that's because this supposed murder for hire plot, and the details surrounding it that they gave Kaine and Desiree, was not based upon any actual evidence or actual facts.

Now why do I thnk it was based on no evidnce or facts? Because they neither arrested her nor charged her with that supposed MFH plot and let the statute of imitations run down the clock on it. And, IMO when we see cases of major crimes where the murderer of a child "is known", but evdence lacks at the tie to nail them for it LE always seems to find another means to get the believed-perpetrator locked up anyway so they can bide their time on the murder.

Ron and Misty go down on the drug charges (Hayleigh Cummings anyone?) exatly as they should have. If LE had an actual and factual MFH plot that Terrir supposedly did, why then did they give her a pass on the charges? Not enough evidence to convict? .... Yet they didn't even give it a measely try.

That's telling to me.

Was it really a murder for hire? I mean if you even believe it actually happened. The story was she supposedly told Rudy that Kaine always carried $10,000 in cash on him and if Rudy killed him, he could keep that money. Maybe it was a set up but I don't know if it would fly as a murder for hire.

 

[Laura456]

Was it really a murder for hire? I mean if you even believe it actually happened. The story was she supposedly told Rudy that Kaine always carried $10,000 in cash on him and if Rudy killed him, he could keep that money. Maybe it was a set up but I don't know if it would fly as a murder for hire.

It was a comically inept effort

 

[Sleuth2010]

Boy Missing is written using Desiree's input not actual backed up heard from the mouth of info. Kwim?

I'd love to hear why someone thinks Terri's guilty without it being started by Desiree said. Since the majority of the damning things Desiree has said absolutely cannot be backed up and in some cases have been proven false.

Edited to add: we know darned well LE knows exactly when her phone rang and if in fact she answered it but aren't releasing that info. Grrr

IMO, MOO, JMO

A mother has intuition, knowing, love that transcends all understanding. That is what Desiree and sweet Kyron have. A child can feel his mother's presence, in a room, even without visual confirmation. And vice-versa.True family.
Multiple studies confirm the connection of biological, DNA , ancestral, and internal-radar type unspoken ( and spoken) knowledge of one's parent+child heart-prints.

We have long wanted the District Attorney and premiere Law Enforcement to make the arrest!
It is long, long overdue. The torture for Desiree and all of sweet Kyron's family, neighbors,co-workers, friends, community, and everyone wanting JUSTICE, is to make the arrest !

Desiree is Kyron's mother, she has knowledge and intuition, spot-on. She is right and the arrest should be made ! The wheels of justice grind slowly, but they grind hard, and, in time, bring justice. Sweet, kind-hearted Kyron did not deserve this heinous crime... there is enough preponderance of evidence, the arrest needs to be made, nothing less. His heart-print and his loving mother's is strong.