Kyron Horman General Discussion thread 2023 - 2026

[Knox]

As a born and bred Oregonian, this case has always haunted me. I’m curious though… Terry has roughly 1.5 hours that she claimed to be driving rural roads. Her dear friend Deedee was also said to be unaccounted for at work by coworkers. Were their phones found to be in the same vacinity during this unaccounted for period of time?

If you count their suspected burner phones, the answer is yes.

 

[MamaSleuth5]

As a born and bred Oregonian, this case has always haunted me. I’m curious though… Terry has roughly 1.5 hours that she claimed to be driving rural roads. Her dear friend Deedee was also said to be unaccounted for at work by coworkers. Were their phones found to be in the same vacinity during this unaccounted for period of time?

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[overturfc]

Welcome to Websleuths, @overturfc!

Thank you!

 

[overturfc]

If you count their suspected burner phones, the answer is yes.

Is it possible to find out where their phones pinged during this time? Obviously the police know but can we find out that info?

 

[EllaMae]

I believe number 4 is the correct one. Too much attention has been paid to Terri which allowed the perpetuator to get away.

LE did a thorough investigation. They worked on the possibility that Kyron was taken by someone other than Terri. But the evidence they uncovered led them to suspect her and also DeDe Spicher. Statistics show that most younger children are killed by someone in their close family circle.....not by a stranger. LE did not ignore that possibility though, and they investigated hundreds of people. Nothing was ignored. Terri became a suspect because of her actions and her behavior, and her lies. She was seen leaving the school with Kyron by very credible witnesses. That means that there was no "stranger abduction" because he was with his own stepmother.

 

[mom2chloe]

Is it possible to find out where their phones pinged during this time? Obviously the police know but can we find out that info?

Dede and Terri both had burner phones.

 

[Wiggins]

Were their phones found to be in the same vacinity during this unaccounted for period of time?

The public record does not contain confirmed information about whether investigators determined that Terri Horman's and DeDe Spicher's cell phones were in the same location during this timeframe. Similarly, whether call or text records showed communication between them during this timeframe has not been publicly confirmed.

This is a significant gap in publicly available information. Given the scale of this investigation, it is highly probable that cell site location information records were obtained for both individuals. The extensive grand jury questioning of Spicher, her reported invocation of the Fifth Amendment, and media reports of investigators' interest in her movements all suggest law enforcement considered this timeline overlap significant. A few possibilities arise:

1. The analysis was conducted but results were not leaked/released.
2. The analysis showed they were NOT in the same location, which would have been exculpatory regarding the accomplice theory specifically.
3. The data was inconclusive due to cell tower coverage limitations in rural areas.
4. The analysis was conducted but remains sealed as part of an ongoing investigation.

If such evidence exists and shows co-location, it would be extraordinarily significant because it would directly contradict Terri's account of driving alone, corroborate the theory of an accomplice, explain Spicher's reported reluctance to answer certain questions and potentially constitute evidence of conspiracy.

Conversely, if analysis showed they were NOT in proximity, it would significantly undermine the accomplice theory, raise questions about why investigators continued to focus on Spicher and potentially support Terri's stated account.

If law enforcement obtained GPS data from either phone, did the movement patterns show travel to specific locations of investigative interest, such as remote areas, routes back toward the school, or locations where remains might be concealed?

 

[Boxer]

The public record does not contain confirmed information about whether investigators determined that Terri Horman's and DeDe Spicher's cell phones were in the same location during this timeframe. Similarly, whether call or text records showed communication between them during this timeframe has not been publicly confirmed.

This is a significant gap in publicly available information. Given the scale of this investigation, it is highly probable that cell site location information records were obtained for both individuals. The extensive grand jury questioning of Spicher, her reported invocation of the Fifth Amendment, and media reports of investigators' interest in her movements all suggest law enforcement considered this timeline overlap significant. A few possibilities arise:

1. The analysis was conducted but results were not leaked/released.
2. The analysis showed they were NOT in the same location, which would have been exculpatory regarding the accomplice theory specifically.
3. The data was inconclusive due to cell tower coverage limitations in rural areas.
4. The analysis was conducted but remains sealed as part of an ongoing investigation.

If such evidence exists and shows co-location, it would be extraordinarily significant because it would directly contradict Terri's account of driving alone, corroborate the theory of an accomplice, explain Spicher's reported reluctance to answer certain questions and potentially constitute evidence of conspiracy.

Conversely, if analysis showed they were NOT in proximity, it would significantly undermine the accomplice theory, raise questions about why investigators continued to focus on Spicher and potentially support Terri's stated account.

If law enforcement obtained GPS data from either phone, did the movement patterns show travel to specific locations of investigative interest, such as remote areas, routes back toward the school, or locations where remains might be concealed?

Sauvie Isand.

 

[tealrose]

I'm still a firm believer that Terri was a red herring who (may have) made her own mistakes, but was a victim of a frame by another person who ultimately was insufficiently investigated.

Does no one else remember where the initial build-up against Terri came from?

How is it that (visual-theme-name I refuse to use) is acknowledged as untrustworthy about literally everything else, but not Kyron's case?

I just don't understand it.

 

[Wiggins]

Sauvie Isand.

The "Sauvie Island ping" has been widely repeated in media coverage and online discussions, but I cannot locate an authoritative primary source confirming this as verified fact (as is the case with most of the information pertaining to this case). This also doesn't tell us if Terri and DeDe were together, since the ping reportedly came from Terri's cell phone only. However, the repeated, resource-intensive focus on this specific location, including multiple dive team deployments between June and November 2010 (1, 2, 3), supports a reasonable inference that investigators possessed evidence pointing to Sauvie Island, most plausibly the reported cell phone data.

Whether investigators obtained or analyzed cell site/GPS data for DeDe Spicher during this same timeframe remains publicly unconfirmed.

(1) Kyron Horman investigators ask for more tips as dive team searches water near Sauvie Island
(2) Crews return to Sauvie Island for second day of large search for Kyron Horman
(3) Dive teams search for missing Ore. boy

 

[Wiggins]

I'm still a firm believer that Terri was a red herring who (may have) made her own mistakes, but was a victim of a frame by another person who ultimately was insufficiently investigated.

Does no one else remember where the initial build-up against Terri came from?

How is it that (visual-theme-name I refuse to use) is acknowledged as untrustworthy about literally everything else, but not Kyron's case?

I just don't understand it.

Would you care to elaborate on your frame theory? To test the logical coherence of this position would require solid reasoning and supporting evidence.

Can you identify who you believe this perpetrator to be, or at least describe what evidence points to their existence and involvement?

When you describe Terri as a "red herring," are you suggesting (a) she was deliberately framed by another actor to divert suspicion, (b) investigators mistakenly focused on her due to circumstantial factors, or (c) some combination?

If Terri was framed, the framer would need motive, opportunity, and means. What evidence suggests another individual had (a) motive to harm Kyron, (b) opportunity to access him on June 4, and (c) the ability to implicate Terri?

You claim another person was "insufficiently investigated." What specific investigative steps do you believe should have been taken but were not? What evidence or leads were allegedly ignored?

Setting aside the source of initial suspicion, how does the frame theory account for the circumstantial evidence against Terri? The reported cell phone ping, the changing timeline narrative, the unaccounted time window, the alleged murder-for-hire solicitation, the failed polygraphs, Kaine's subsequent actions (restraining order, divorce, custody), use of burner phones? While these factors vary in evidentiary weight, the cumulative pattern requires explanation. Challenging the origin of suspicion does not negate the accumulated circumstantial evidence.

How does your frame theory account for DeDe's parallel unaccounted time, her extensive grand jury testimony, her reported Fifth Amendment invocations, her use of burner phones? Was she also framed, or does she fit into your theory differently?

What evidence, if it existed, would cause you to reconsider your belief that Terri was framed? Alternatively, is there any evidence that could confirm your theory? A forensically rigorous theory must be falsifiable.

These questions aren't meant to dismiss your position outright, but to understand its evidentiary foundation.

 

[Boxer]

The "Sauvie Island ping" has been widely repeated in media coverage and online discussions, but I cannot locate an authoritative primary source confirming this as verified fact (as is the case with most of the information pertaining to this case). This also doesn't tell us if Terri and DeDe were together, since the ping reportedly came from Terri's cell phone only. However, the repeated, resource-intensive focus on this specific location, including multiple dive team deployments between June and November 2010 (1, 2, 3), supports a reasonable inference that investigators possessed evidence pointing to Sauvie Island, most plausibly the reported cell phone data.

Whether investigators obtained or analyzed cell site/GPS data for DeDe Spicher during this same timeframe remains publicly unconfirmed.

(1) Kyron Horman investigators ask for more tips as dive team searches water near Sauvie Island
(2) Crews return to Sauvie Island for second day of large search for Kyron Horman
(3) Dive teams search for missing Ore. boy

True. But there were extensive searches on the island and in the water there. So police had some basis to search there. MOO Maybe a part of the evidence not made public.
Today more cameras along residential streets might have made the difference.

 

[Sillybilly]

Hey folks,

Just popping in to say .. if you notice that the number of pages / posts in this thread has greatly diminished, do not panic. It is only because we did some tidy-up and moved posts dated September 2022 through December 2022 back into the thread for 2020 - 2022. This thread is now for 2023 going forwarwd into 2026. Yes, we anticipate you folks will continue to talk about Kyron's case well into the New Year

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[Knox]

Hey folks,

Just popping in to say .. if you notice that the number of pages / posts in this thread has greatly diminished, do not panic. It is only because we did some tidy-up and moved posts dated September 2022 through December 2022 back into the thread for 2020 - 2022. This thread is now for 2023 going forwarwd into 2026. Yes, we anticipate you folks will continue to talk about Kyron's case well into the New Year

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Thank you Sillybilly.

 

[minazoe]

I feel like AI could solve this case. at the least I wonder what it would come up with...making all its calculations...would it come to the same conclusion most of us have? mOO